X-O #0 Ivory? (the saga continues...)

caxiotis · Post by **caxiotis** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:36 am

I love how the auction says that it is the second know book.

This is great.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:25 am

Maybe we can all put up a couple auctions of this "ivory" book.

If there are only 2 known to exist, we should be able to each sell the several copies we have for tons of money.

myron · Post by **myron** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:34 am

let the speculators get jabbed on this...shows you should do your homework before jumping in on something like this...

there are probably more "ivory" versions of X-O 0 than there are entire copies of the pre-unity books or end of run books...

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:35 am

Knightt wrote:I can't believe that there is this much discussion over an obvious printing error that is apparently a common occurrence. If more than three board members have these books spine or no spine, I hardly think that it should be treated as some rarity. The book was MASS produced, there are bound to be differences. Are we to the point where we are going to count mis-prints as a desired collectible ? This is merely nitpicking our collections in search or (if not creating) speculation over the color of a label on a comic. When you produce SO MANY of a book, there are bound to be differences. Whats next ? An off centered Bloodshot #1 ?

I remember having a few when I had lots of doubles backstock on hand. Except, unlike CGC, I disregarded it as some kind of variance in a large print run.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:37 pm

CGC? Sounds like QVC.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:46 pm

myron wrote:let the speculators get jabbed on this...shows you should do your homework before jumping in on something like this...

there are probably more "ivory" versions of X-O 0 than there are entire copies of the pre-unity books or end of run books...

I concur.

Fanboy375 · Post by **Fanboy375** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:13 pm

I have sunfaded versions of Magnus 1 thru 8.

I bet CGC will grade those as a variant!!!

As a matter of fact CGC will grade anything (including counterfeits) as long as you pay for them!!!

http://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_ ... ate=9%2F07

The one listed as foil is a counterfeit.

Jonathan

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:19 pm

Fanboy375 wrote:I have sunfaded versions of Magnus 1 thru 8.

I bet CGC will grade those as a variant!!!

As a matter of fact CGC will grade anything (including counterfeits) as long as you pay for them!!!

http://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_ ... ate=9%2F07

The one listed as foil is a counterfeit.

Jonathan

Just CALL THEM and TELL THEM.....hopefully they'll fix it.

If they don't.....THEN bust out the tar and feathers.

And yes...they DO grade counterfeit editions of books:

http://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_ ... te=No+Date

myron · Post by **myron** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:56 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Fanboy375 wrote:I have sunfaded versions of Magnus 1 thru 8.

I bet CGC will grade those as a variant!!!

As a matter of fact CGC will grade anything (including counterfeits) as long as you pay for them!!!

http://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_ ... ate=9%2F07

The one listed as foil is a counterfeit.

Jonathan
Just CALL THEM and TELL THEM.....hopefully they'll fix it.

If they don't.....THEN bust out the tar and feathers.

And yes...they DO grade counterfeit editions of books:

http://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_ ... te=No+Date

AND they consider it a Variant no less...

...that's crap.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:39 pm

myron wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Fanboy375 wrote:I have sunfaded versions of Magnus 1 thru 8.

I bet CGC will grade those as a variant!!!

As a matter of fact CGC will grade anything (including counterfeits) as long as you pay for them!!!

http://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_ ... ate=9%2F07

The one listed as foil is a counterfeit.

Jonathan
Just CALL THEM and TELL THEM.....hopefully they'll fix it.

If they don't.....THEN bust out the tar and feathers.

And yes...they DO grade counterfeit editions of books:

http://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_ ... te=No+Date
AND they consider it a Variant no less... ...that's crap.

Fanboy375 · Post by **Fanboy375** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:41 pm

To me, CGC is a fad like variant covers. They take more of your money for a standard issue.

However, Ebay has made the grading necessary for sellers that dont have any business selling comics in the first place.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:44 pm

Fanboy375 wrote:To me, CGC is a fad like variant covers. They take more of your money for a standard issue.

However, Ebay has made the grading necessary for sellers that dont have any business selling comics in the first place.

CGC is a fad....?

NGC has been around since 1987. PCGS has been around since 1986. They are FIRMLY entrenched in the industry, and almost a necessity for buying ANY coin over $100.

So.....CGC a fad? Probably not.

Fanboy375 · Post by **Fanboy375** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:52 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:CGC is a fad....?

I had never seen any common "slabbed" books until they started to pop up on ebay several years ago. I have been going to shows and collecting books since i was 5 (I am 32 now).

I use to only see professionally graded books for issues over $500.00 but, now it seems like every book is getting slabbed. This is what i see as the "fad". The slabbing of these lower price books.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:14 pm

Fanboy375 wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:CGC is a fad....?
I had never seen any common "slabbed" books until they started to pop up on ebay several years ago. I have been going to shows and collecting books since i was 5 (I am 32 now).

I use to only see professionally graded books for issues over $500.00 but, now it seems like every book is getting slabbed. This is what i see as the "fad". The slabbing of these lower price books.

This is natural, and occured in coins, too (though with much, much more spectacular "results"....people who paid $3,000 for MS65 Morgan $1 in 1988 cannot sell them for $150 now), and is just a levelling off of the market....the community sees which books are rare and the vast majority that are not, new niches are created and exploited, and prices settle down to where they belong.

Granted, there are now thousands of slabbed books that are worth less than the slabbing costs, but that's ok...the slabber took a gamble and lost. It happens.

The only real problem are the sellers who refuse to acknowledge that the books they wasted money slabbing are now unsellable at over slab costs, but they list them for that much anyways.

Seriously....Spawn #1 6.5? Seriously?

There's a word for those kind of people.....and it ain't the river in Africa...

mrknapp33 · Post by **mrknapp33** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:12 pm

sonicdan wrote:I looked through my X-O zeros this morning...

DAN

If you look at the other colors on the ivory issue, you can see that the white is dull throughout. Take a look at the laser from the hand cannon, as well as the small plasma burst around the laser. I would chock this up to a production run that did not add enough white to the mix- or however the book coloring is produced.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:50 pm

mrknapp33 wrote:If you look at the other colors on the ivory issue, you can see that the white is dull throughout. Take a look at the laser from the hand cannon, as well as the small plasma burst around the laser. I would chock this up to a production run that did not add enough white to the mix- or however the book coloring is produced.

Exactly.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:29 pm

Fanboy375 wrote:To me, CGC is a fad like variant covers. They take more of your money for a standard issue.

However, Ebay has made the grading necessary for sellers that dont have any business selling comics in the first place.

I agree with you on the Ebay part... if it weren't for every other fag out there overgrading the books or listing every book they have as NM, CGC may (MAY) not be as sought after. How many 'listed' 9.8 OR BETTER books have you gotten in the mail to find out that it was WAY over graded. Grading is subjective to a point anyways but some of the books that I have gotten over Ebay, I would not have picked out of a quarter bin.

As far as CGC being a fad... I wouldnt go that far. The very serious collector that has high standards for their collections will default to CGC. And then never open their book to enjoy it, which to me is like a kick in the head. But then again I dont think I would read a great copy of Batman #1... I would read it out of a reprint of something of the like and that I can understand.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:41 pm

I agree that the large numbers of "printed-last-week" books that are sent to CGC
represent a fad that will die out. Once people stop paying $19 for 9.8 copies of last week's junk,
then dealers will stop sending them to CGC the week they're printed.

On the other hand, the demand for CGC grading on books over 10 years old
will probably increase as long as the book is in demand, after all,
over 99% of the print run of most comics that are "collectible" aren't slabbed.
Why wouldn't 5% or 10% of the print run of a book like Incredible Hulk #181
or Amazing Spider-man #300 eventually get slabbed?
Slabbing will probably continue for a while on many key issues.

But the slabbing of the "nothing special" brand new comics will
probably slow down or stop almost completely when the "fad" dies out.

At some point the book "printed last week" will be 10 years old,
but I'm guessing that 99% of the books being printed today aren't going
to be "important" 10 years from now either.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:55 am

anyone want a ivory misprint only
http://cgi.ebay.com/X-O-Manowar-0-CGC-I ... dZViewItem

what a sick joke lol

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:01 pm

That's it. I'm putting up some auctions of this this weekend. This is just ridiculous.

"Buy the super rare, one-of-a-kind ivory variant that there are only THOUSANDS of copies of! Hurry, before someone else gets this common version of a more-than-common book!"

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:03 pm

ill sell ya mine for 1 grand a super deal

DarqueArcher · Post by **DarqueArcher** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:46 pm

Here is another one

Second Ivory Discovered

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:55 pm

and its from image owner noooooooooooo

DarqueArcher · Post by **DarqueArcher** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:06 pm

superman-prime wrote:and its from image owner noooooooooooo

Yeah I have met him he is actually a very nice guy.

imagesowner2 · Post by **imagesowner2** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:42 pm

Now that's not nice to call me a nuisance with deep pockets. you don't even know me.

Really, I have been a collector of ALL comics for almost 30 years now. I appreciate Valiant as much as you all do. I have a complete set myself. I just wanted to share the books with everyone. I needed some of the books to complete the sets and so I bid on them. (I knew I would make my money back)

I might add that I did help raise the book value of the books and actually garnered quite alot of outside attention from non Valiant readers who were curious and since have started reading Valiants.

So, I look foward to hearing from all of you and hope to very soon.

By the way, which one of you emailed me a death threat during the auction? I got a pretty big kick out of it.

HA HA.

Imagesowner2