Top Ten Worst Events in Valiant History

The Harbinger · Post by **The Harbinger** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:10 pm

The Top Ten Most Important Stories in Valiant History inspired me to create this one. I think it's important for the owners to see all that we didn't like as well as our favorites.

Instead of saying just Birthquake, you should mention the individual story arcs in Birthquake (i.e. Flash Force in Solar).

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:53 pm

I'll start with just one..... it is easier that way.

Bloodshot fighting aligators, twice!

Terrible.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:53 pm

ok, one more....

A&A washing dishes.

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:05 pm

XO Manobike

Valiant_1 · Post by **Valiant_1** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:25 pm

Punx 1-3

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:52 pm

Keith Giffen's run on Magnus.

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:06 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:Keith Giffen's run on Magnus.

I vote for that...

absolute shiite

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:57 pm

Chromium covers every other month. (at least it seemed that way for a while)

Trying to pimp Chaos Effect as "The next Unity!"

"Secret Weapons"

.......

-slym

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:59 pm

Im ganna go with the last magnus ark what a load of squeeeeeeeee

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:28 pm

Mike Baron fill-in issues.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:38 pm

Keith Giffen's run on X-O (except for the issue where he takes back the suit by slitting Darque's throat, that was pretty cool).

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:03 pm

The first chromium cover

The first Wizard article

Deathmate

Chaos Effect

Shooter being canned

The last panel of Rai and the future force #9

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:09 pm

Tim Petty wrote:The last panel of Rai and the future force #9

*goes to look this up*

"One planet, one people! Who fights with me!?" "Hrai! Hail Rai!" (The Beginning.)

Oy vey.

-slym

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:43 pm

MProyas wrote:XO Manobike

That was so traumatic that I keep blocking it from my mind despite people here constantly posting pictures of it.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:44 pm

Dude, the other day I was at a meeting at work and at the end everybody leaped up, raised their fists in the air and said the same thing.

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:56 pm

Just my opinion on what's been brought up so far.

X-O bike was just *SQUEE*.

I liked Punx, sue me it was a fun comic. To this day I still want to read number 4.

Giffen Magnus not so great. X-O not so great and you can't kill Darque like that, what a waste.

Chaos could have been great but it was just a mess.

My worst Valiant moment was X-O #16 coming off of the big ordered and not horrid Bart Sears/Bob Layton two part story in 14 and 15 they dump this pile of crap onto people who just might want to keep reading Valiant books after getting hooked. Bad marketing bad editorship bad decision

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:56 pm

Tim Petty wrote:Dude, the other day I was at a meeting at work and at the end everybody leaped up, raised their fists in the air and said the same thing.

Did the Magnus-type look as bored and un-interested as the one in the comic? And was "Leeja" staring at "Rai's" rear end?

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:58 pm

dellamorte wrote:My worst Valiant moment was X-O #16 coming off of the big ordered and not horrid Bart Sears/Bob Layton two part story in 14 and 15 they dump this pile of crap onto people who just might want to keep reading Valiant books after getting hooked. Bad marketing bad editorship bad decision

IMO, this kind of thing is what started the decline of VALIANT.

-slym

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:59 pm

If the Magnus was me, the Rai was our customer service manager and our Leeja was my assistant manager, then, yes.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:07 pm

Tim Petty wrote:If the Magnus was me, the Rai was our customer service manager and our Leeja was my assistant manager, then, yes.

-slym

Doctor Dobson · Post by **Doctor Dobson** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:43 pm

My personal top ten (1 being suckiest and qualifications follow):

1.) Shooter being canned

2.) Akklaim buying Valiant

3.) Valiant Vision (which begat . . . . )

4.) Psi-Lords

5.) Chaos Effect

6.) Valiant having anything to do with Image (doesn't it sadden you that most of us actually bought Youngblood?!)

7.) BWS leaving

8.) Dave Lapham getting fed up and leaving

9.) The Future Force

10.) Secret Weapons

You'll have to forgive my ignorance, I didn't read anything much after Chaos Effect so I'm only going off of what I've read and know from personal experience. From what I've read, though, it appears Birthquake was pretty wretched. Many of you speak of how horrible this "goat" was, but I'm ignorant of what that pertains. In any case, having just re-read most of the first two years of this "dead universe," I'd put it up there with Watchmen, Dark Knight, Miracleman, and Maus as being in the upper echelon of LITERATURE in the history of modern comic books (i.e. post-1935). I have not seen such a deplorable waste of potential and talent, well, since Michael Jackson.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:12 am

Heath wrote:Mike Baron fill-in issues.

A great run by Bob Hall has two of these slap bang in the middle. In fact you could read the Hall Shadowman run, omit those issues, and probably enjoy it all the more. It broke the tone and feel and was generally disruptive.

Yet I kind of liked the Shadowman Yearbook he wrote. Kind of...

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:59 am

Elveen wrote:I'll start with just one..... it is easier that way.

Bloodshot fighting aligators, twice!

Terrible.

That must be the Comic version of jumping the shark...

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:13 pm

Ithink doctor d nailed it

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:31 pm

HERE'S MY LIST FROM WHEN I DID THIS TOPIC A LITTLE WHILE BACK...

Darque leading a chorus of zomibies in a song in Archer & Armstong.

The Psilords suddenly blow 1-A away right in front of Magnus. He has no emotional reaction and actually indicates it was okay 1-A was killed because the Malevs planted a bug on him.

Finding out the entire Lost land was made of necromatic energy in Chaos Effect Omega.

The ending of the Magnus Yearbook that turns Magnus into a murder and blackmailer.

Solar, having created an enitre duplicate Earth in order to cope with a fight he had with Gayle, coldly decides to leave the planet after the discovery of his existance leads to a world wide upheaval (Solar 50).

Grandmother betraying her own Rai and exiling him in the Lost Land simply because it was longer convient to keep him around (Secrets of the VU 3).

Oh, another moment I wish I could forget. When Nitro and Vise walked in on the Mirage's house keeping taking a smelly dump in Dr Mirage 5. The mininions of Master Darque defeated by flagulence. What a great idea

And, ofcourse, Solar the Destroyer killing those Manowar armors way too easily by having one slam into a wall, shoving one through a spike, ect is fairly infamous too.

AND ONES THAT WERE SO BAD I GAVE THEM THEIR OWN POST....

I commented on one of 1-A's deathes as a least favorite moment but I forgot to list his first resurrection as another.

1-A's explaination in Magnus 25 made no sense. In an attempt to make him squeeky clean they had him claim he never created superhuman robot fighters, that it was a malev lie, and that he just used people with natural powers (mustuva stole them from the Marvel Universe). Such experimientation would be against his programing (but isn't he a freewill )

But wait a minute, a year earlier, in Magnus 12, a panel from a Russ Manning comic was printed were 1-A clearly states he used an experimental machine to turn human into superhumans. This is waaay before he was supposedly possessed by the Malevs.

And for all this mess, what grand and noble resurrection did we get of 1-A? He came back as both a metalic bird and, brace yourself...Magnus' hover bike! So Magnus was really riding 1-A, huh? This overwhelming lameness was mercifully put to an end less than a year later with his second death. And then, ofcourse, they brought him back two more times...

...AND...

Okay I've finally found the Valiant moment that makes me the maddest...

Magnus 47

I just finally got it. Magnus signs a law to eliminate ALL robots . Free will and normal robs alike. Enemy, allies, friends...doesn't matter, if you're a robot, you die. To try and make him listen to their pleas for mercy, robots kidnap Leeja who seems shocked that they would do such a thing (I guess she thought they'ld like being exterminated? ).

Magnus's big reason all robots must die? Because mankind, after being weakened by the Malevs can't take a chance of the robots turning against them. Yeah, geonicide is always the answer when you're being cautious . I hope he killed all the Gophs and the Japanese Humanists (from Rai 1-8) while he was at it. You shouldn't take a chance with tough, resourceful humans rebelling either.

Anyone who has read Magnus 1-20 knows what an abomination this is to this character. No matter how many times he says he regrets it afterwards, Magnus and Leeja can never truely be noble characters again.

...AND....

Oh and one of the worst scenes ever done in a comic book...

The ending of Eternal Warrior 31. After a plotline too horrible to write about, Gilad defeats the Immortal Enemy. Gilad wants to make sure Immortal Enemy can't die and be reborn again. So he dumps him in a frozen wasteland (the North Pole?) where he'll be fozen by the weather and that'll put him in a state of suspended animation instead of killing him.

WTF?!?!?

Do people not die from exposure in the Valiant Universe?!? If they get so cold they magically slip into a state of suspended animation?!?

This was bar none, the dumbest scene EVER published in a Valiant Comic.)

...AND...

Shadowman 35, a fill-in by Mike Baron, has Nettie and Shadowman talking at night about how Nettie would like to go see Jack play at a club. Suddenly Shadowman hugs her and says "Thanks for being my friend."

WTF?!?

I don't think Jack would ever do that, much less his crazy, aggressive, "rid the night of demons" Shadowman persona.

Now I got the damn theme song from Golden Girls going through my head ("Thank you for being my friend..."). What the hell?