HTB:How Many Are You buying?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:45 am

leonmallett wrote:I thought his point was that he doesn't want to pay $16-25 USD for just 8 pages of story, possibly already having Harbinger 07 anyway, and therefore not particluraly wanting to get the story again effectively.

Exactly.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:56 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
leonmallett wrote:I thought his point was that he doesn't want to pay $16-25 USD for just 8 pages of story, possibly already having Harbinger 07 anyway, and therefore not particluraly wanting to get the story again effectively.
Exactly.

But if that is the case, it has nothing to do with either lacking faith in VEI's chances in the comic book market (your point MoTA) or not being a fan (slym).

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:00 am

leonmallett wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
leonmallett wrote:I thought his point was that he doesn't want to pay $16-25 USD for just 8 pages of story, possibly already having Harbinger 07 anyway, and therefore not particluraly wanting to get the story again effectively.
Exactly.
But if that is the case, it has nothing to do with either lacking faith in VEI's chances in the comic book market (your point MoTA) or not being a fan (slym).

That part doesn't, but his comment about waiting to pick it up for less later does.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:16 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
leonmallett wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
leonmallett wrote:I thought his point was that he doesn't want to pay $16-25 USD for just 8 pages of story, possibly already having Harbinger 07 anyway, and therefore not particluraly wanting to get the story again effectively.
Exactly.
But if that is the case, it has nothing to do with either lacking faith in VEI's chances in the comic book market (your point MoTA) or not being a fan (slym).
That part doesn't, but his comment about waiting to pick it up for less later does.

Fair comment. I missed that.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:17 am

We saw what happened with Ibook's Magnus GN.

Didn't Ryan get it for a quarter less than a month after it came out?

Ibooks planned to release more than one gn, as well as novels, but after that one they didn't do anything.

myron · Post by **myron** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:40 am

I voted 2 but might get 3...

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:47 am

Only one...maybe, if I can find it and have the money to buy it.

Stinger · Post by **Stinger** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:49 am

I still wonder if there's any pimp..ahem "variant"... version?

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:11 pm

myron wrote:I voted 2 but might get 3...

I know the thought you are having there...

I have ordered 2 through my LCS (not the cheapest option I am sure, but it may help draw their attention to VEI...), and may order a third.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:12 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:Only one...maybe, if I can find it and have the money to buy it.

No LCS?

Have you thought about DCBS or Amazon?

h-comics · Post by **h-comics** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:24 pm

I am getting only one.My LCS is hooking me up with one.He said if I want anymore,he will get it for me.

Xero · Post by **Xero** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:34 pm

I saw Slym's banner on CPG, and nearly peed myself, a new VALIANT title?? I haven't been online a lot, so I'm thinking that I missed something? If someone could fill me in, or direct me to any news about new VALIANT projects, it'd be greatly appreciated. With that said, I'm definately reserving a copy at both of my LCS's, and sending the better copy to CGC to be graded (well, maybe not), but I will try to get it framed.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:56 pm

Check out the VEI announcements section. Besides that all we have confirmed is the hardcover collecting Harbinger 0-7 with a new 8 page Harada origin by Shooter and Hall.

Oh and Bob Layton is sworn to secrecy with regard to two projects (is that right guys?).

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:13 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:Where's the "none" option?
Did you see the part of Ryan's article where it said that the new story is incorporated into the hc and not an insert?

Aren't you at all interested in reading it?
Am I interested in the read the new one-shot short story that'll be less than 8 pages? Absolutely.

Am I interested in paying $25 (or a few dollars less with discount) just to read it? Nope. Not at all.
Then how will you ever read it?
Maybe it'll get put online like other publishers do with their short stories they tack on to trades (since they know most people who loyally followed the actual issues aren't going buy the same story twice just for a five page story). Maybe I'll pick it up for cheap at a later date. Maybe I'll win one in that contest they've got going on. Maybe I'll just never get a chance to read it. It happens. Not real worried about it.
Isn't it a little counterproductive to hope that you'll be able to pick it up for cheap later?

Shouldn't we instead expect it to raise in value as a sign of people's interest in it?

It's the good ol' supply and demand. The more it cost it means more people want it and there's not enough to go around.

Sometimes it happens like that, many times it doesn't. There are many comics that are popular, sold well, and made their publisher a lot of money but are completely worthless as back issues and then there are comics that sold poorly that no one wanted that shoot up in price. But that doesn't matter. VEI is looking for people who the HC is targeted at buying it off the shelf, not in the secondary market.

And I didn't say I was hoping for anything. You asked me how I might read the short story if I don't pick it up off the shelf when it's released and I gave you scenarios that would let that happen. One was that if i saw it at on a low enough discount at a later date and had that type of spending money, I might pick one up. It's not a hope, it's just something that can happen. It doesn't mean the thing didn't sell well nationwide or make VEI money, it just means it stayed on a retailer's shelf longer than he wanted and he needed that product to move. As a LCS owner once told me, you can't eat your backstock

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:17 pm

slym2none wrote:Some VALIANT fan... I hope he never gets to read it.

-slym

I've never bought a tradepaperback of material I already own in order to get an "exclusive" short story in my entire life (I imagine many fans haven't). Just because I'm not going to do so now makes you mad? I don't get it.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:20 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
slym2none wrote:Some VALIANT fan... I hope he never gets to read it.

-slym

I've never bought a tradepaperback of material I already own in order to get an "exclusive" short story in my entire life (I imagine many fans haven't). Just because I'm not going to do so now makes you mad? I don't get it.

So you don't have the X-O database, Darque Passsages, or the Rai and VALIANT Era Companions?

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:32 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
slym2none wrote:Some VALIANT fan... I hope he never gets to read it.

-slym

I've never bought a tradepaperback of material I already own in order to get an "exclusive" short story in my entire life (I imagine many fans haven't). Just because I'm not going to do so now makes you mad? I don't get it.
So you don't have the X-O database, Darque Passsages, or the Rai and VALIANT Era Companions?

I picked up a few of those in the back issue bins years later just because they caught my curiousity when I saw them there. Really wasn't all that interested in most of them when they were first published (which was a good thing because most of them sucked when I did get them years later). I never bought the trade for them (that's mainly a space issue, rather then price since I've seen some of those trades in dollar boxes).

Darque Passages is the only exception in that list (I do love my Darque), I can't quite remember how I got that one, but I know I ended up with Darque Passages and my best friend ended up with the Shadowman trade.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:31 pm

leonmallett wrote:
myron wrote:I voted 2 but might get 3...
I have ordered 2 through my LCS (not the cheapest option I am sure, but it may help draw their attention to VEI...), and may order a third.

It's this type of grass roots movement that could make the difference for VEI.

Good to see, Leon!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:38 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
slym2none wrote:Some VALIANT fan... I hope he never gets to read it.

-slym

I've never bought a tradepaperback of material I already own in order to get an "exclusive" short story in my entire life (I imagine many fans haven't). Just because I'm not going to do so now makes you mad? I don't get it.

It's fine that you don't want it, but what is bothersome is the fact that you have said it more than a few times now. It gives the impression that you don't care or approve of the new Valiant (even if that's not what you intended). I'm not a big fan of hard covers either and I've only collected a few, but I'm going to show support and buy this one regardless.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:48 pm

leonmallett wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:Only one...maybe, if I can find it and have the money to buy it.
No LCS?

Have you thought about DCBS or Amazon?

I'm sort of a pariah at my LCS they're not going to order anything for me without payment upfront and I'm broke at the moment, due to spending all my money on Solar, Man of the Atom #1-#11.
I have no credit cards (other than my bank debit card and there's NO WAY in hell that I'm putting that online for anything) so Amazon is out.
Since I don't get paid until the first week of August I doubt there was anyway that DCBS could hold one for me, by the time I would get I would get I paid.

But worry not I'll figure out a way to get one.
In the meantime I'll just read my old Harbinger: Children of the Eighth Day trade paper back to hold me over.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:24 pm

leonmallett wrote:
Oh and Bob Layton is sworn to secrecy with regard to two projects (is that right guys?).

I'm really curious about those two projects Layton's involved in.
I wonder if there's an X-O hardcover in the works similiar to the Harby one.
Perhaps also an X-O project with all new material??

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:17 pm

im picking up 5 from dcbs

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:47 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
slym2none wrote:Some VALIANT fan... I hope he never gets to read it.

-slym

I've never bought a tradepaperback of material I already own in order to get an "exclusive" short story in my entire life (I imagine many fans haven't). Just because I'm not going to do so now makes you mad? I don't get it.
It's fine that you don't want it, but what is bothersome is the fact that you have said it more than a few times now. It gives the impression that you don't care or approve of the new Valiant (even if that's not what you intended). I'm not a big fan of hard covers either and I've only collected a few, but I'm going to show support and buy this one regardless.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:22 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
slym2none wrote:Some VALIANT fan... I hope he never gets to read it.

-slym

I've never bought a tradepaperback of material I already own in order to get an "exclusive" short story in my entire life (I imagine many fans haven't). Just because I'm not going to do so now makes you mad? I don't get it.
It's fine that you don't want it, but what is bothersome is the fact that you have said it more than a few times now. It gives the impression that you don't care or approve of the new Valiant (even if that's not what you intended). I'm not a big fan of hard covers either and I've only collected a few, but I'm going to show support and buy this one regardless.

Sorry, I felt the poll was incomplete without a zero option so I pointed it out. Then MOTA wanted to discuss why if I didn't want to buy it again. It's never been a problem before to discuss projects you didn't want to buy, didn't appeal to you, etc so I didn't think it was a big deal for this one.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:15 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
slym2none wrote:Some VALIANT fan... I hope he never gets to read it.

-slym

I've never bought a tradepaperback of material I already own in order to get an "exclusive" short story in my entire life (I imagine many fans haven't). Just because I'm not going to do so now makes you mad? I don't get it.
It's fine that you don't want it, but what is bothersome is the fact that you have said it more than a few times now. It gives the impression that you don't care or approve of the new Valiant (even if that's not what you intended). I'm not a big fan of hard covers either and I've only collected a few, but I'm going to show support and buy this one regardless.
Sorry, I felt the poll was incomplete without a zero option so I pointed it out. Then MOTA wanted to discuss why if I didn't want to buy it again. It's never been a problem before to discuss projects you didn't want to buy, didn't appeal to you, etc so I didn't think it was a big deal for this one.

Keep in mind that people tend to repeat themselves when they have a discussion with MoTA.

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