HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING - Recolored Pages - SNEAK PREVIEW

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:49 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
manningfan wrote:They have to compete with companies like IDW.
I'd be perfectly ok with paying $3.99 for a VALIANT comic if they offered the same kind of quality as IDW's comics (I'd be happier if they could offer that kind of quality for $2.50...).

The same here.
I like the new colors but it's still an issue of money for me.

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Second_Death wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.

DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League.

IDW is really bad on alternate covers almost every issue of all their various Angel, Spike, and Transformers mini-series has had an alternate cover in same freaking ratio 50/50 and DC is just as bad. Marvel is doing alternate dusk jackets for most of their hardcovers.

jmpet · Post by **jmpet** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:21 pm

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jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:48 pm

Second_Death wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
Second_Death wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Second_Death wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
The resurgence of the variant covers??

You've got to be kidding. Please tell me that variants aren't back in vogue.
For its first six issues, DC's current Supergirl series had about 3 or 4 variant covers.

DC has been doing a lot of variants for titles like All Star Batman, All Star Superman, and Justice League.

Oh, well. Guess the industry hasn't learned its lesson yet.

Variants should never be used.................unless it involves nude photos of the cast of Desperate Housewives.
That's Zoom Suit #4 variant.
Its been done?

35+ variant issues for a four issue mini-series....You're bound to run out of ideas.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:59 am

jedimarley wrote:
Elveen wrote:I kinda think we all should support whatever DNV is going to do.
Only support what you like.

If it's bad. F them.

If it's good. Support them.

But please. Lets not support then blindly.

We all learned our lessen with Zoom Suit. Didn't we?

Amen. Comics aren't a charity, they're a business. If a company makes a product that appeals to enough consumers it'll make it. If it doesn't it won't. It's that simple. No collection plates needed.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:08 am

greg wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
greg wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:Wow, I knew I missed the old coloring on the Valiant books but I never realized how much. Part of the fun of the first couple years of Valiant were the orginal colors. I know there's some technical reason they can't use the originals here (even though some of those issues were reprinted in the 90's) but I wish they'd tried to make it look closer to the old comic. The modern McColoring I see on every comic out there now put on those classic comics makes me cringe. It just doesn't work for me. I'm glad I already decided to sit this one out.
Your loss... personally, I like a blue sky.
What did I lose?

I personally prefer old Valiant comics colored like Valiant Comics and not like the later Acclaim Comics, but each to their own.
"Sitting this one out"... sounds like you've got to make a choice.

You don't. You can have it both ways. The old is there forever. But so will be the new.

The future of Valiant will be digital coloring.
It's 2007... hand-painted watercolors aren't coming back.

What is back is the early Valiant stories... Harbinger, for sure.
What is back is a new story by Jim Shooter.
What is not back is hand-painted watercolors.

If the thing that keeps you "sitting it out" is the digital coloring,
you might as well give up on the future of Valiant now. It's not 1991.

...and when you look at the originals, for all of their glory... they weren't perfect.

For example, a sky should be blue. Water? Blue.
A highway? Black. Those lines in the middle of a highway? Yellow.

The original art (by Janet) is FANTASTIC, and since I own some, I know that nothing
compares to the original art. But the printed pages didn't always show her skill.

It's like upgrading to an HD TV, but refusing to watch anything but VHS.

How does progress make progress without progress?

Wow, when did i ever say i was sitting this one out because of the colors?

It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:13 am

Todd Luck wrote:It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in.

I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.

Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.

In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.

Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars?

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:20 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in.
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.

Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.

In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.

Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars?

Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:24 am

Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in.
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.

Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.

In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.

Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars?
Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care.

Well, with discounts and the like you could end up paying about 15 dollars for the hc.

I think the expense is worth it for the story, but maybe you'll get lucky and will indeed find it in a bin somewhere.

We don't have cheap bins here, so I can't wait like that, heh.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:24 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in.
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.

Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.

In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.

Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars?
Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care.
Well, with discounts and the like you could end up paying about 15 dollars for the hc.

I think the expense is worth it for the story, but maybe you'll get lucky and will indeed find it in a bin somewhere.

We don't have cheap bins here, so I can't wait like that, heh.

Around where I live they don't call it the 50 cent bin, they call it the Valiant section

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:36 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
Todd Luck wrote:It just made me glad I was ALREADY sitting this one out. I thought I made it clear in previous threads, but this simply isn't a product made with me in mind. I'm an old fan with a limited budget (probably very limited by August) who already owns those comics who is looking for new material to read. A guy like me is simply not on their radar for a project like this. Maybe if they put out other products that'll change but the HC simply doesn't appeal to me. It's made for different audiences than the one I'm in.
I don't remember if I told you this before or if I said it to someone else.

Don't think of it as paying 25 dollars for something you already own, think of it as paying 25 dollars for the NEW comic.

In August the new comic will cost you 25 dollars and come bagged with a free copy of the Harbinger Hardcover.

Would you rather wait for the single comic to show up on eBay for more than 25 dollars?
Even if the new story is a packaged in issue, do i seriously sound like someone who is going to pay $25 or more for a new comic that's 22 pages or less? Like I said, I'll gladly read it online or pick it up for a couple bucks out of a back issue bin or something like that, but other than that I don't care.
Well, with discounts and the like you could end up paying about 15 dollars for the hc.

I think the expense is worth it for the story, but maybe you'll get lucky and will indeed find it in a bin somewhere.

We don't have cheap bins here, so I can't wait like that, heh.
Around where I live they don't call it the 50 cent bin, they call it the Valiant section

That's because the Youngblood box is 10 cents, right?

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:45 pm

Additional pages posted at Broken Frontier:
http://www.brokenfrontier.com/headlines ... hp?id=2981

Harbinger #1 - Page One

Harbinger #1 - Page Two

Harbinger #1 - Page Three

Harbinger #1 - Page Four

Harbinger #1 - Page Five

Harbinger #1 - Page Six

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:56 pm

greg wrote:Additional pages posted at Broken Frontier

I had my wife comment on them. She preferred the second image in each pair as "the first look like it was done on a computer and the second look more natural". Then again, she's not a typical comic book buyer. To be precise, she's not a comic book buyer at all. As for me, if I am to find a complaint, I feel that Weasel's arrival on page three is superiour in the old version.

/Magnus

acc205 · Post by **acc205** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:00 pm

magnusr wrote:
greg wrote:Additional pages posted at Broken Frontier
I had my wife comment on them. She preferred the second image in each pair as "the first look like it was done on a computer and the second look more natural". Then again, she's not a typical comic book buyer. To be precise, she's not a comic book buyer at all. As for me, if I am to find a complaint, I feel that Weasel's arrival on page three is superiour in the old version.

/Magnus

I never liked Weasels old approach with the strange squiggles. I really like the new one with the ghost effect. I also really like the last panel on page two. I never noticed the eggbreakers in the background before!

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:01 pm

greg wrote: http://www.brokenfrontier.com/headlines ... hp?id=2981

"Jim Shooter himself approved continuity corrections in Harbinger issues #0 - 7 that allows the hardcover collection to present the origin story more cohesively than it originally appeared in 1992."

This got my attention (even more than before, that is)

Some interesting technical info as well.

/Magnus

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:05 pm

acc205 wrote:I never liked Weasels old approach with the strange squiggles.

It's like the strobe effect you get in real life when something's too quick.

I also really like the last panel on page two. I never noticed the eggbreakers in the background before!

I totally agree that the new coloring does a better job of bringing out the eggbreakers, who are an important part of that panel.

/Magnus

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:37 pm

magnusr wrote:I feel that Weasel's arrival on page three is superiour in the old version.

I just realized that Weasel's arrival and exit are on page three.

How far did Pete throw her?

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:43 pm

Another thing to consider is paper stock my old copy of the Harbinger trade paper back is printed on slightly better paper stock (I call it Baxter paper for some weird reason) than most comics being published in single issue form in 90's were.

Almost all the hardcovers hell even most of the trades and a lot single issues are printed on the thick glossy paper now of days.
I would assume is how this new Harbinger hardcover would be printed on the thick glossy paper stock and not the Baxter paper that the
old tpbs back in the 90s were.

IMHO I don't think that the old colors would look as good as they on that thick glossy paper, than they did on the old Baxter paper.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:47 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:Another thing to consider is paper stock my old copy of the Harbinger trade paper back is printed on slightly better paper stock (I call it Baxter paper for some weird reason) than most comics being published in single issue form in 90's were.

Almost all the hardcovers hell even most of the trades and a lot single issues are printed on the thick glossy paper now of days.
I would assume is how this new Harbinger hardcover would be printed on the thick glossy paper stock and not the Baxter paper that the
old tpbs back in the 90s were.

IMHO I don't think that the old colors would look as good as they on that thick glossy paper, than they did on the old Baxter paper.

When did Baxter books stop? There was the second titans book and this was followed by the second LoSh book on premium paper, but then we got the glossy stuff in the 90's. What happened?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:55 pm

greg wrote:

Crap, no crossovers with Star Wars.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:58 pm

A Jedi sees Pete getting someone to do something by speaking commands to him and mistakes it for a Jedi Mind Trick...

Set it pre-Phantom Menace. They think he might be the one who is foretold to bring balance to the force...

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:59 pm

Chiclo wrote:

A Jedi sees Pete getting someone to do something by speaking commands to him and mistakes it for a Jedi Mind Trick...

Set it pre-Phantom Menace. They think he might be the one who is foretold to bring balance to the force...

Oy...

Btw, Anakin did bring balance to the force. He killed everyone and then had two kids, a Sith (Luke) and a Jedi (Leia)... perfect balance.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:00 pm

That is the best idea you've ever had, MotA!

Harbinger/Star Wars crossover! IT COULD WORK!

It will be accepted as canon that Pete and Harada have midiclorions! HARADA IS THE SITH LEADER OF THE VALIANT U! DARTH TOYO!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:03 pm

Chiclo wrote:That is the best idea you've ever had, MotA!

Harbinger/Star Wars crossover! IT COULD WORK!

It will be accepted as canon that Pete and Harada have midiclorions! HARADA IS THE SITH LEADER OF THE VALIANT U! DARTH TOYO!

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:21 pm

Chiclo wrote:That is the best idea you've ever had, MotA!

Harbinger/Star Wars crossover! IT COULD WORK!

It will be accepted as canon that Pete and Harada have midiclorions! HARADA IS THE SITH LEADER OF THE VALIANT U! DARTH TOYO!

I just got a little flushed reading that and had to sit down.

manningfan · Post by **manningfan** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:24 pm

Some of the new coloring seems to look better than others. I'll have to wait on the finished product to fully comment.