HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, more details for fans! 5/28-5/31

SmokinAFuente · Post by **SmokinAFuente** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:51 am

greg wrote:This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe!

SWEEEET!!

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Mon May 28, 2007 1:57 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:Greg,

Any idea who the inker and colorists are?

Chris

Don't be suprised if Bob Hall inks this himself...

Like he did with Armed & Dangerous...

-Brian

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Mon May 28, 2007 1:58 pm

greg wrote:Valiant Entertainment is proud to announce the full details of the upcoming publication, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, first to the loyal fans at ValiantFans.com! This 192-page deluxe hardcover edition collects the full Harbinger origin story from Harbinger issues 0-7 digitally recolored and remastered, and also features an all-new "Origin of Harada" story written by comics legend JIM SHOOTER and illustrated by BOB HALL (Shadowman). This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! Valiant's goal is to make this deluxe hardcover edition something special for Valiant fans and a great introduction to the Harbinger saga for new Valiant fans. The book retails for $24.95 and will be available in comic book stores in August 2007. Diamond Previews orders from comic book retailers are due July 5th, 2007. Please notify your local comic book retailers.

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Mon May 28, 2007 2:01 pm

Great news!

DAN

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Mon May 28, 2007 2:04 pm

betterthanezra wrote:
k_c_collectibles wrote:Greg,

Any idea who the inker and colorists are?

Chris
Don't be suprised if Bob Hall inks this himself...

Like he did with Armed & Dangerous...

-Brian

I like him as a penciller, but not so much as an inker. I personally am hoping for Tom Ryder or Ray Kryssing. Tom worked well with Bob on Shadowman and I really liked Ray's work on X-O with Bart Sears and Andy Smith.

Bob Layton would be my first choice, but I figure with Jim Shooter doing the writing he would not want to have any part of the book, but I could be wrong...

Chris

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Mon May 28, 2007 2:55 pm

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:19 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Dino after the money from the sales of the HC comes in...

Uhhhh...... Probably not.

Let's say they sell 30,000. I think VE will get about $10 from diamond for each book, so thats $300,000.

Let's say each books costs $7 for the printer to print and bound in that quantity (30,000). So, $300K-$210K = 90K. The VE has to pay Shooter, Hall, the new colorists, and the people who put it together for the printer. Could easily be $40K.

Now, if you run the numbers at 100,000 copies, and lower the per book cost to about $5 from $7, it starts to add up.

More likely picure of Dino after the orders come in:

Numbers were off the cuff - just estimates I pulled out of my magic orifice.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:25 pm

greg wrote:Valiant Entertainment is proud to announce the full details of the upcoming publication, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, first to the loyal fans at ValiantFans.com! This 192-page deluxe hardcover edition collects the full Harbinger origin story from Harbinger issues 0-7 digitally recolored and remastered, and also features an all-new "Origin of Harada" story written by comics legend JIM SHOOTER and illustrated by BOB HALL (Shadowman). This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! Valiant's goal is to make this deluxe hardcover edition something special for Valiant fans and a great introduction to the Harbinger saga for new Valiant fans. The book retails for $24.95 and will be available in comic book stores in August 2007. Diamond Previews orders from comic book retailers are due July 5th, 2007. Please notify your local comic book retailers.

So where's the information from? It reads like a release but I can't find it on the net.

I hope there are plans to put the new "Origin of Harada" online like Dark Horse does with the epilogs in the Hellboy trades. I always thought that was a classy move on the part of Dark Horse (plus how many people are really going to buy an entire miniseries again just to get a few extra pages?). It always left a bad taste in my mouth when a company tried to force me to buy a story again in a different format just to get 5 or 10 new pages, it's like they're punishing you for faithfully buying all the original issues.

Anyway, I don't have that sort of money to blow myself, and if I did I wouldn't use to re-buy issues I already own, but I would love to read the new story.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:43 pm

HC page count vs Singles page count

The first eight issues of Harbinger (0 + 7), not counting covers, have 182 pages total.

Counting covers that's 190 pages... ad two pages for credits and that gives you the same total as above.

Apparently the Origin of Harada comic is not integrated into the HC, it's an insert like Harbinger #0 was the first time around.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:47 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:HC page count vs Singles page count

The first eight issues of Harbinger (0 + 7), not counting covers, have 182 pages total.

Counting covers that's 190 pages... ad two pages for credits and that gives you the same total as above.

Apparently the Origin of Harada comic is not integrated into the HC, it's an insert like Harbinger #0 was the first time around.

You know I was going to do that math myself when I saw the page count but you just saved me a lot of work! LOL Thanks! Good to see you're still hanging around here.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Mon May 28, 2007 3:55 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:HC page count vs Singles page count

The first eight issues of Harbinger (0 + 7), not counting covers, have 182 pages total.

Counting covers that's 190 pages... ad two pages for credits and that gives you the same total as above.

Apparently the Origin of Harada comic is not integrated into the HC, it's an insert like Harbinger #0 was the first time around.
You know I was going to do that math myself when I saw the page count but you just saved me a lot of work! LOL Thanks! Good to see you're still hanging around here.

Heh

You should do it to make sure I got it right (though it looks like I did, heh).

I'm glad the Origin of Harada story is an insert, it's a good omen... oh wait, Omen was the bad guys

MedicAR · Post by **MedicAR** » Mon May 28, 2007 4:37 pm

betterthanezra wrote:I plan on getting multibles

-Brian

I think there's a vaccine for that.

SmokinAFuente · Post by **SmokinAFuente** » Mon May 28, 2007 6:13 pm

Would that be the VALIANT pill?

(X-O #11 I think)

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon May 28, 2007 8:03 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
greg wrote:Valiant Entertainment is proud to announce the full details of the upcoming publication, HARBINGER: THE BEGINNING, first to the loyal fans at ValiantFans.com! This 192-page deluxe hardcover edition collects the full Harbinger origin story from Harbinger issues 0-7 digitally recolored and remastered, and also features an all-new "Origin of Harada" story written by comics legend JIM SHOOTER and illustrated by BOB HALL (Shadowman). This "Origin of Harada" story includes its own original cover and features the first appearance of a new character in the Valiant Universe! Valiant's goal is to make this deluxe hardcover edition something special for Valiant fans and a great introduction to the Harbinger saga for new Valiant fans. The book retails for $24.95 and will be available in comic book stores in August 2007. Diamond Previews orders from comic book retailers are due July 5th, 2007. Please notify your local comic book retailers.

So where's the information from? It reads like a release but I can't find it on the net.

You just found it on the net.

In all serious, that information is exclusive to ValiantFans.com at this point.

It reads like a release because it is a release... just for us.

The "hard copy" will be in Previews on Wednesday.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Mon May 28, 2007 8:16 pm

greg u rock

I have no idea how many im going to get lol

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Mon May 28, 2007 8:52 pm

This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.

I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.

Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Mon May 28, 2007 9:42 pm

Awesome! Thanks for the extra details. Everything more that I hear makes me more and more excited about this coming out!

BrianT · Post by **BrianT** » Mon May 28, 2007 9:56 pm

Very nice! Congrats to VEI!

Virgule · Post by **Virgule** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:46 am

i'll get one, i like HC and TPB better than single and harbinger was always a favourite of mine so count me in , the new story makes no difference to me.

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:40 am

Looks like I maybe buying many multiple copies

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Tue May 29, 2007 6:22 am

dellamorte wrote:This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.

I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.

Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this.

Could be an insert (it does have it's own cover) that's 8-22 pages. It could be in the hardcover and be less than 10 pages, "cover" and all, since that's a fairly average length for an original extra of this sort. Regardless, 25 bucks just for that is too much for me (and I'd imagine for most folks). I can only rebuy the same material so many times.

Like I said, I hope VEI goes the route of Dark Horse and puts it online.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue May 29, 2007 6:41 am

I think 25 bucks for a hardcover is fairly reasonable. I believe that's the price Valiant was asking for the Solar hardcover.

whovianone · Post by **whovianone** » Tue May 29, 2007 7:55 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:I think 25 bucks for a hardcover is fairly reasonable. I believe that's the price Valiant was asking for the Solar hardcover.

Complete agreement. Take a look at your LCS or book store in the coming weeks. See how much other HB trades are going for. Most with this number of pages are well over $30!

I think it's a bargian!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:19 am

Todd Luck wrote:
dellamorte wrote:This is all great news. Shooter and Hall now that is a Valiant dream team. Bob Hall just did a piece of art for me and I tell you all now that the man is at the top of his game. This is going to be something special.

I'd be interested to hear from a source in the know if the new story is in fact separate from the hc or included. I know MOTA broke it down but those numbers could be off if they don't give each cover it's own page, maybe it's all eight spread over two pages or they don't have two pages for credits. The only thing Greg's post states is that the new story will have it's own cover but we don't know if that cover is printed in the book and we don't know how long this new story is.

Regardless I'm getting a bit excited about this.
Could be an insert (it does have it's own cover) that's 8-22 pages. It could be in the hardcover and be less than 10 pages, "cover" and all, since that's a fairly average length for an original extra of this sort. Regardless, 25 bucks just for that is too much for me (and I'd imagine for most folks). I can only rebuy the same material so many times.

Like I said, I hope VEI goes the route of Dark Horse and puts it online.

Pay 25 dollars today or pay 50 dollars tomorrow, your choice

Don't let what happened the first time happen again... buy now or regret it later, lol.

Seriously, people who buy the HC will try to sell the insert by itself for much more than the HC is worth.

Don't look at it as buying something you already own for 25 dollars... think of it as buying something you don't have (the origin) for 25 dollars now instead of 50 or more later.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:22 am

The recent hardcover printings of Dr. Solar and Magnus (Gold Key reprints)
have the same number of pages (about 200) and retail for $49.95.
There's no new material in those...
(Amazon sells each for a discount on the original $49.95.)

I'd say $24.95 is fair.
(...and a discount wouldn't hurt either.)

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