Is there anything you would change about Pre Unity VALIANT

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:35 am

tarheelmarine wrote:but it was cool how all the covers came together to form a big pic

Yeah, I've never seen THAT before

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:36 am

I'm firmly in the "there should have been more" camp.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:19 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:I'm firmly in the "there should have been more" camp.

Here, here.

Also, it's probably just nitpicking, but does anyone else think Archer & Armstrong & Eternal Warrior should have been allowed to come into thier own a little more before Unity?

A first issue that takes place in the middle of a major crossover always seemed a little wierd to me.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:27 pm

I'm not sure if this answers the original question, but if there's anything
I would change about Pre-Unity... it's that many VALIANT fans haven't read them!

Yes, I know a few TPBs are readily available, but not all of them,
and the print runs were pretty low for 1991-92 vs other publishers,
so I feel like there are MANY fans of VALIANT who are fans because
of later books and they haven't even read all of the Pre-Unity books.

What would I change about Pre-Unity? I'd make it readily available!
(Maybe new reprints, or authorized electronic copies?)

VALIANT needs to be read again, for the first time.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:29 pm

greg wrote:I'm not sure if this answers the original question, but if there's anything
I would change about Pre-Unity... it's that many VALIANT fans haven't read them!

Yes, I know a few TPBs are readily available, but not all of them,
and the print runs were pretty low for 1991-92 vs other publishers,
so I feel like there are MANY fans of VALIANT who are fans because
of later books and they haven't even read all of the Pre-Unity books.

What would I change about Pre-Unity? I'd make it readily available!
(Maybe new reprints, or authorized electronic copies?)

VALIANT needs to be read again, for the first time.

Sounds like a job for Dino.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:52 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
greg wrote:I'm not sure if this answers the original question, but if there's anything
I would change about Pre-Unity... it's that many VALIANT fans haven't read them!

Yes, I know a few TPBs are readily available, but not all of them,
and the print runs were pretty low for 1991-92 vs other publishers,
so I feel like there are MANY fans of VALIANT who are fans because
of later books and they haven't even read all of the Pre-Unity books.

What would I change about Pre-Unity? I'd make it readily available!
(Maybe new reprints, or authorized electronic copies?)

VALIANT needs to be read again, for the first time.
Sounds like a job for Dino.

Look! Up in the sky!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:28 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
greg wrote:I'm not sure if this answers the original question, but if there's anything
I would change about Pre-Unity... it's that many VALIANT fans haven't read them!

Yes, I know a few TPBs are readily available, but not all of them,
and the print runs were pretty low for 1991-92 vs other publishers,
so I feel like there are MANY fans of VALIANT who are fans because
of later books and they haven't even read all of the Pre-Unity books.

What would I change about Pre-Unity? I'd make it readily available!
(Maybe new reprints, or authorized electronic copies?)

VALIANT needs to be read again, for the first time.
Sounds like a job for Dino.
Look! Up in the sky!

Is that a midget flying next to him?

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:32 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
greg wrote:I'm not sure if this answers the original question, but if there's anything
I would change about Pre-Unity... it's that many VALIANT fans haven't read them!

Yes, I know a few TPBs are readily available, but not all of them,
and the print runs were pretty low for 1991-92 vs other publishers,
so I feel like there are MANY fans of VALIANT who are fans because
of later books and they haven't even read all of the Pre-Unity books.

What would I change about Pre-Unity? I'd make it readily available!
(Maybe new reprints, or authorized electronic copies?)

VALIANT needs to be read again, for the first time.
Sounds like a job for Dino.
Look! Up in the sky!
Is that a midget flying next to him?

That's an intern!

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:26 pm

Tim Petty wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Tim Petty wrote:I don't like the covers at all.

(Edit)

I don't like the crossover covers.

The Unity #0 and #1 covers are great.
Thats an EXCELLENT point, I forgot to mention that

The Unity covers absolutely sucked (except 0 and 1)

My first choice for the covers would've been BWS

Closely followed by Dave Gibbons and Brian Bolland

What are you saying? The Miller covers were great. In fact, I would like the original art work for most them. The second artist wasn't so hot, but it was cool how all the covers came together to form a big pic (especially the Miller work with the hands).
Blech! As much as I am loathe to disagree with a fellow Tar Heel, I absolutely HATE these covers.

The Simonson's were a little better, but I'd still have liked to see BWS do all of them.

If you started collecting at Unity, it's hard to separate the actual art on the covers with the thrill of starting your Valiant collection. My first three Valiants were A+A#1, Harbinger #8, and the free Unity #0.

S

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:03 pm

Shakespeare wrote:
If you started collecting at Unity, it's hard to separate the actual art on the covers with the thrill of starting your VALIANT collection. My first three Valiants were A+A#1, Harbinger #8, and the free Unity #0.

S

Despite my comments to the contrary...I totally agree.

My cover criticism's are coming from a crotchety old comic collector who's gone through years of excitement followed by disillusionment and back.

When I saw that Solar #13 after reading so much about Valiant...after being so frustrated that they simply were not available to me, I can't even describe that feeling.

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:14 pm

If we're including Unity, I'd say "it's fine to kill off Rai as long as you have a kickass way to continue his story...if not, wait a bit longer to kill him."

S

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:18 pm

The Floating Dragon concept and the original Rai could have went on forever as far as I'm concerned.

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:02 pm

I think that if they ever started the Valiant universe again, and managed to get Solar and Magnus back (I know--it's not going to happen), I'd want them to reprint the pre-Unity and Unity issues, and start over from the end of Unity.

To do that, though, they'd have to edit out all the date references. Everything happened in 1991 or slightly thereafter.

Ooh...then again, I guess they'd have to change the Shadowman 1999 death date, too.

Ah, well, that would be cool, because then they could put another date on it and do it right this time.

Or maybe they could just say something like, "in eight years," or something, and not fix a date to it.

Yeah, that's what I'd change. Otherwise, I think pre-Unity is awesome! Except for a couple of minor glitches/continuity errors. I think there are a couple, but I can't remember them offhand.

alexarc · Post by **alexarc** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:22 pm

I thought it was just me that thought the non-BWS UNITY covers were terrible.

For me, its like the VALIANT universe ended after UNITY; so I would change the fact there weren't more Pre unity issues.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:42 pm

Tim Petty wrote:I don't like the covers at all.

(Edit)

I don't like the crossover covers.

The Unity #0 and #1 covers are great.

I really like pretty much all of the Frank Miller covers. They sort of have that simple throwback feel to them. On the other hand, I would change most of the Simonson covers. I didn't like them too much at all. This doesn't look like Archer at all. Maybe Archer ala Barry Bonds, but not Archer. C'mon.

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/issue.asp?cn=6

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:08 am

Knightt wrote:Hey this is ALL moot... the last issue of X-O proves that as well as takes down any conversation as to where the 'new owners' should start back up. There IS no 'where'... Aric predates EVERYTHING, so it... never... happened.

Your concept is not based on hard science.

-slym (heheh... he said "hard")

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:51 am

greg wrote:I'm not sure if this answers the original question, but if there's anything
I would change about Pre-Unity... it's that many VALIANT fans haven't read them!

Yes, I know a few TPBs are readily available, but not all of them,
and the print runs were pretty low for 1991-92 vs other publishers,
so I feel like there are MANY fans of VALIANT who are fans because
of later books and they haven't even read all of the Pre-Unity books.

What would I change about Pre-Unity? I'd make it readily available!
(Maybe new reprints, or authorized electronic copies?)

VALIANT needs to be read again, for the first time.

Really good point. Not just that its a shame that its not more widely read/ available. Its sad. Sad that prices and scarcity kept most people from being able to read pretty much the best comics of the decade when they first came out.

You could argue that maybe it would make it less special of everyone was reading them but regardless of this as a VALIANT fan I would hope all comic fans out there can experience the excitement and magic of reading Solar #1 for the first time, or Steel Nation etc.

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:01 am

Jay Tomio wrote:They should come out with Absolute-like editions and call them Shooter Editions: Quality Defined

With a new cover by BWS, and a back cover with a picture of Massarsky being thrown out of a window, or polishing Shooter's shoes.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:48 pm

cobra_commander wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:They should come out with Absolute-like editions and call them Shooter Editions: Quality Defined
With a new cover by BWS, and a back cover with a picture of Massarsky being thrown out of a window, or polishing Shooter's shoes.

Hahaha.. you are learning fast young padawan.

dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:44 am

i would also agree with having a little more PRE-unity. a & a and the ew should have had a few issues under their collective belts...but a & a 0 came out before unity right?

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:56 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
cobra_commander wrote:
Jay Tomio wrote:They should come out with Absolute-like editions and call them Shooter Editions: Quality Defined
With a new cover by BWS, and a back cover with a picture of Massarsky being thrown out of a window, or polishing Shooter's shoes.
Hahaha.. you are learning fast young padawan.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:57 am

dave wrote:i would also agree with having a little more PRE-unity. a & a and the ew should have had a few issues under their collective belts...but a & a 0 came out before unity right?

That is correct sir

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:12 pm

something that i didn't like in pre-unity valiant was how quickly aric mastered the use of the x-o armor and the english language-i know he was eager to insult his enemies mother's in their own languages but he seemed to be too fast a learner (even with the suits help).

wouldn't the sentient alien armor resist him? or at least have alien sentient thought that would really be difficult for an earthling to deal with-especially one like aric who was already dealing with a world that had changed so drastically.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:27 pm

dave wrote:something that i didn't like in pre-unity VALIANT was how quickly aric mastered the use of the x-o armor and the english language-i know he was eager to insult his enemies mother's in their own languages but he seemed to be too fast a learner (even with the suits help).

wouldn't the sentient alien armor resist him? or at least have alien sentient thought that would really be difficult for an earthling to deal with-especially one like aric who was already dealing with a world that had changed so drastically.

I think Aric could have taken a bit longer to be un-Visagothed....

but the control ring is just that... control.....

after he was buried... the suit had plenty of time to educate him..... (but here is my question.... wouldn't his beard been longer???)

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:32 pm

the original spider alien technology was aquired from Remco...it has little micro-shavers built in...

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