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grendeljd wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:04 am
Ryan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:21 am
grendeljd wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:23 am
Ryan wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:47 am Screenshot 2024-12-07 094349.png

Mark Gruenwald's note for writers of the New Universe. He was also the first to do 'real time' progression in Squadron Supreme. Safe to say a lot of the pre-Unity rules started out here.
Curious, where did you find this image? I would like to track down a higher resolution copy of it.
It's from the Twomorrows magazine Back Issue #34. I'm trying to track down a hard copy as well, it has some great articles :thumb:
Right on, thanks man! I need to snag a high res copy of that pic to post up in the New U fanpage over on Facebook. And a print copy of that issue too!

**edit - I just looked up the magazine and I actually do already have a print copy of it somewhere in my stash… I had forgotten that image was in there.
Nice! Post it here too if you can find it.

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syzhang28 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:05 pm And yet, definitive proof that X-O Manowar did meet Iron Man is right here:

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This image reminds me of the Stephen King Lawnmower Man movie.

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Doc Mirage wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:19 am This image reminds me of the Stephen King Lawnmower Man movie.
Early bad CGI, heh.
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A simple quantum innovation could kill the idea of ​​the multiverse
The quantum theory of the multiverse, proposed in the 1950s, suggests that reality constantly divides into parallel universes due to quantum interactions. In addition to being intriguing, this interpretation faces significant challenges.

Recently, Sandu Popescu e Daniel Collinsphysicists at the University of Bristol, questioned one of the main arguments in favor of quantum theory of the multiverse (IMM) by investigating the conservation of physical properties, such as angular momentum, in quantum events.

Conservation laws, such as that of energy, are fundamental in physics – stipulating that things can neither be created nor destroyed, but only converted into different forms.

I already said Antoine-Laurent de Lavoisier“in Nature, nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything is transformed”. However, quantum theory apparently defies this theory, as in the case of particles in superposition states.

As explained by , before a measurement, a particle can be in multiple states simultaneously, but, when measuring, only one state is observed. This transition appeared to violate conservation laws, suggesting that properties such as angular momentum “appeared out of nowhere”.

Popescu and Collins re-examined this question and demonstrated that Quantum conservation can be maintained if we consider the “prepper”i.e. the device that places particles in superposition states.

The researchers discovered that the primer and the particle interact to maintain the total balance. For example, when measuring the angular momentum of a particle, corresponding changes occur in the preparer, ensuring that conservation applies even in isolated events.

This result challenges the need for parallel universesproposed by IMM to solve quantum paradoxes, more than 65 years ago.

Researcher Daniel Collins told New Scientist that this discovery reinforces the importance of avoiding ideological approaches in quantum physicsencouraging a deeper investigation of the theoretical foundations.

Popescu and Collins’ research also opens doors to better understanding reference structures in quantum measurements. These structures are defined by the attributes of the preparer and play a crucial role in maintaining symmetry, a fundamental principle of physics.

The link between symmetry, conservation laws and frames of reference suggests a new vision of the cosmos of a unique reality constructed in a relational wayas opposed to the IMM’s multiplicity of worlds.

Although controversial, Popescu and Collins’ research offers new insights into resolving quantum paradoxes and bringing us closer to a deeper understanding of quantum mechanics.
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Have they fixed it with dark matter yet? :kidaround:

This is an excellent illustration of why one should not get too invested in our best current understanding of science.

My father told me 25 years ago that he had a set of science encyclopedias as a kid and he read every book. And by the year 2000, everything in those science encyclopedias was wrong by the current reckoning of science. At the time, I was studying physics at university and the same is true for about half of my physics textbook. Every time there is a significant advancement in the available tools of measurement, there is a great period of upheaval in scientific understanding. The James Webb telescope is an excellent example of this going on right now.

Hard science fiction, sci-fi totally based in our best understanding of science of the day, has a shelf life. It will expire. Hard sci-fi of the early 90s is going to read very stale and outdated. VH1 has just enough fantasy to it that it can endure.

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Chiclo wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:39 am Have they fixed it with dark matter yet? :kidaround:

This is an excellent illustration of why one should not get too invested in our best current understanding of science.

My father told me 25 years ago that he had a set of science encyclopedias as a kid and he read every book. And by the year 2000, everything in those science encyclopedias was wrong by the current reckoning of science. At the time, I was studying physics at university and the same is true for about half of my physics textbook. Every time there is a significant advancement in the available tools of measurement, there is a great period of upheaval in scientific understanding. The James Webb telescope is an excellent example of this going on right now.

Hard science fiction, sci-fi totally based in our best understanding of science of the day, has a shelf life. It will expire. Hard sci-fi of the early 90s is going to read very stale and outdated. VH1 has just enough fantasy to it that it can endure.
Definitely.
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Chiclo wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:39 am Have they fixed it with dark matter yet? :kidaround:

This is an excellent illustration of why one should not get too invested in our best current understanding of science.

My father told me 25 years ago that he had a set of science encyclopedias as a kid and he read every book. And by the year 2000, everything in those science encyclopedias was wrong by the current reckoning of science. At the time, I was studying physics at university and the same is true for about half of my physics textbook. Every time there is a significant advancement in the available tools of measurement, there is a great period of upheaval in scientific understanding. The James Webb telescope is an excellent example of this going on right now.

Hard science fiction, sci-fi totally based in our best understanding of science of the day, has a shelf life. It will expire. Hard sci-fi of the early 90s is going to read very stale and outdated. VH1 has just enough fantasy to it that it can endure.
Exactly. Superman started out as 'hard sci-fi' going by the science of the time. Same with the Marvel Universe, they were going by the 60s understanding of cosmic rays and mutation from radiation.

That's why to me the 'hard sci-fi' element that was most important in Vh1 wasn't that they were using accurate, current science jargon to explain the fantasy elements (most superhero comics have always done that), it was that they tried to make the fantastic or supernatural elements of the stories have a realistic, logical, and long-lasting effect on the fictional world.

There's the famous example from the 70s Marvel Team-up when villains tried to steal the island of Manhattan and then Hercules had to tow it back into place. Totally unrealistic (fantasy) obviously, but it also would have had long-term effects on the city and every character in the Marvel U. Of course it wasn't mentioned in any other book. This is exactly the type of 'fantasy' that Shooter was trying to get comics to evolve past with the New U and Valiant.

The logical consequences and long-lasting effects are what made pre-Unity feel so realistic and cohesive. Not because they were explaining everything with 'real hard science'.

It's just like in Resurgence, it doesn't matter if it's the Boon or some other science jargon explanation. It's are they actually depicting the realistic and logical effects of their sci-fi/fantasy premise? If no one in the world dies anymore, that would have a massive effect on every single aspect of every single person's life on Earth. Is that being addressed in any kind of realistic manner? I think Hercules towing Manhattan was more believable.

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Ryan wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:57 pm
Chiclo wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:39 am Have they fixed it with dark matter yet? :kidaround:

This is an excellent illustration of why one should not get too invested in our best current understanding of science.

My father told me 25 years ago that he had a set of science encyclopedias as a kid and he read every book. And by the year 2000, everything in those science encyclopedias was wrong by the current reckoning of science. At the time, I was studying physics at university and the same is true for about half of my physics textbook. Every time there is a significant advancement in the available tools of measurement, there is a great period of upheaval in scientific understanding. The James Webb telescope is an excellent example of this going on right now.

Hard science fiction, sci-fi totally based in our best understanding of science of the day, has a shelf life. It will expire. Hard sci-fi of the early 90s is going to read very stale and outdated. VH1 has just enough fantasy to it that it can endure.
Exactly. Superman started out as 'hard sci-fi' going by the science of the time. Same with the Marvel Universe, they were going by the 60s understanding of cosmic rays and mutation from radiation.

That's why to me the 'hard sci-fi' element that was most important in Vh1 wasn't that they were using accurate, current science jargon to explain the fantasy elements (most superhero comics have always done that), it was that they tried to make the fantastic or supernatural elements of the stories have a realistic, logical, and long-lasting effect on the fictional world.

There's the famous example from the 70s Marvel Team-up when villains tried to steal the island of Manhattan and then Hercules had to tow it back into place. Totally unrealistic (fantasy) obviously, but it also would have had long-term effects on the city and every character in the Marvel U. Of course it wasn't mentioned in any other book. This is exactly the type of 'fantasy' that Shooter was trying to get comics to evolve past with the New U and Valiant.

The logical consequences and long-lasting effects are what made pre-Unity feel so realistic and cohesive. Not because they were explaining everything with 'real hard science'.

It's just like in Resurgence, it doesn't matter if it's the Boon or some other science jargon explanation. It's are they actually depicting the realistic and logical effects of their sci-fi/fantasy premise? If no one in the world dies anymore, that would have a massive effect on every single aspect of every single person's life on Earth. Is that being addressed in any kind of realistic manner? I think Hercules towing Manhattan was more believable.
Yes, it is. Read it, lol.
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ManofTheAtom wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:41 pm Yes, it is. Read it, lol.
Oh cool, they addressed it in a realistic manner, then I stand corrected. I tried to read the first issue, but I found the whole thing too unrealistic and just not my bag. Different strokes, I guess.


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