Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[ManofTheAtom]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Yes, exactly. It was only ever meant to be a side philosophical discussion in the context of discussing the actual comics.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

*Editor-in-Chief. You'd think you would know the difference between an Editor and an Editor-in-Chief.

A difference that has no bearing on the ownership of Alien Books.

Alien and DMG are still two distinct companies. The former merely licenses the latter's IP and hired the same editor to oversee the line. Nothing more and nothing less.

*Editor-in-Chief

Still not relevant to ownership.

[Ryan]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Yes, exactly. It was only ever meant to be a side philosophical discussion in the context of discussing the actual comics.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

*Editor-in-Chief. You'd think you would know the difference between an Editor and an Editor-in-Chief.

A difference that has no bearing on the ownership of Alien Books.

Alien and DMG are still two distinct companies. The former merely licenses the latter's IP and hired the same editor to oversee the line. Nothing more and nothing less.

*Editor-in-Chief

Still not relevant to ownership.

Show me where I said it was. I'm just correcting your attempt to mis-title people. Give credit where its due.

[ManofTheAtom]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Yes, exactly. It was only ever meant to be a side philosophical discussion in the context of discussing the actual comics.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

*Editor-in-Chief. You'd think you would know the difference between an Editor and an Editor-in-Chief.

A difference that has no bearing on the ownership of Alien Books.

Alien and DMG are still two distinct companies. The former merely licenses the latter's IP and hired the same editor to oversee the line. Nothing more and nothing less.

*Editor-in-Chief

Still not relevant to ownership.

Show me where I said it was. I'm just correcting your attempt to mis-title people. Give credit where its due.

You're the one who argued that there is no distinction between the two COMPANIES, and used the fact that Alien hired the same EDITOR from VALIANT as "proof" that Alien Books and DMG are the same corporation.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm gonna say it again, just because Alien Books hired the same EDITOR who worked at VALIANT (and, SUBSEQUENT to that, made her editor in chief) and DIDN'T reboot the FICTIONAL narrative of the VALIANT Universe it does NOT mean that Alien and DMG are the same company or that Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of a Kickstarter, which is what people here accused them of for MONTHS prior to the launch of their comic books.

One has nothing to do with the other. If Alien had rebooted and hired someone else then no one would have put forth that inane claim.

[leonmallett]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

Hi MoTA, I wasn't taking sides, I was just making a tongue in cheek observation (hence 'are/are not') - my apologies that its didn't come across as such.

[ManofTheAtom]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

Hi MoTA, I wasn't taking sides, I was just making a tongue in cheek observation (hence 'are/are not') - my apologies that its didn't come across as such.

The thing is that your Ship of Theseus argument applies to Alien continuing the VALIANT Universe from where VALIANT/DMG left off (i.e. didn't reboot).

The problem is that the argument itself has continued to revolve around the ownership of Alien Books and the belief some continue to put forward that they are owned by DMG, for which there is NO evidence.

The two are completely separate corporate entities, no different from Voyager Communications and Gold Key back in the '90s. Gold Key didn't own Voyager anymore than DMG does Alien. Just like Voyager licensed Gold Key's IP, so did Alien license DMG's IPs. And just like Voyager didn't reboot Magnus Alien also didn't reboot VALIANT.

[Dallow Spicer1]

The year is 2029, Earth needs someone to save mankind from extinction by Skynet…meanwhile on the Valiant fans group we’re still arguing wether DMG and Alien are essentially the same company

[leonmallett]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

Hi MoTA, I wasn't taking sides, I was just making a tongue in cheek observation (hence 'are/are not') - my apologies that its didn't come across as such.

The thing is that your Ship of Theseus argument applies to Alien continuing the VALIANT Universe from where VALIANT/DMG left off (i.e. didn't reboot).

The problem is that the argument itself has continued to revolve around the ownership of Alien Books and the belief some continue to put forward that they are owned by DMG, for which there is NO evidence.

The two are completely separate corporate entities, no different from Voyager Communications and Gold Key back in the '90s. Gold Key didn't own Voyager anymore than DMG does Alien. Just like Voyager licensed Gold Key's IP, so did Alien license DMG's IPs. And just like Voyager didn't reboot Magnus Alien also didn't reboot VALIANT.

I wasn't making an argument; I said the conversation gave me that vibe (or actually the inverse of Ship of Theseus/Trigger's Broom) - I really was not taking sides or stating an opinion on either side.

[ManofTheAtom]

The year is 2029, Earth needs someone to save mankind from extinction by Skynet…meanwhile on the Valiant fans group we’re still arguing wether DMG and Alien are essentially the same company

That can easily stop the moment the people who continue to argue that they are accept that they are wrong.

[Ryan]

The year is 2029, Earth needs someone to save mankind from extinction by Skynet…meanwhile on the Valiant fans group we’re still arguing wether DMG and Alien are essentially the same company

There's only person making that argument, with himself. I assume it's because he hasn't read any of the comics so he just needs something to argue about? I really don't know at this point.

[ManofTheAtom]

The year is 2029, Earth needs someone to save mankind from extinction by Skynet…meanwhile on the Valiant fans group we’re still arguing wether DMG and Alien are essentially the same company

There's only person making that argument, with himself. I assume it's because he hasn't read any of the comics so he just needs something to argue about? I really don't know at this point.

Reading the comics won't change the reality that Alien and DMG are two separate companies.

Just because Alien continued the fictional narrative from where DMG left off does not mean that one owns the other.

[Ryan]

I wasn't making an argument; I said the conversation gave me that vibe (or actually the inverse of Ship of Theseus/Trigger's Broom) - I really was not taking sides or stating an opinion on either side.

I thought that was pretty clear. There aren't really sides to this 'argument'. There's one guy twisting peoples' words around so he can have an argument with himself.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

Hi MoTA, I wasn't taking sides, I was just making a tongue in cheek observation (hence 'are/are not') - my apologies that its didn't come across as such.

The thing is that your Ship of Theseus argument applies to Alien continuing the VALIANT Universe from where VALIANT/DMG left off (i.e. didn't reboot).

The problem is that the argument itself has continued to revolve around the ownership of Alien Books and the belief some continue to put forward that they are owned by DMG, for which there is NO evidence.

The two are completely separate corporate entities, no different from Voyager Communications and Gold Key back in the '90s. Gold Key didn't own Voyager anymore than DMG does Alien. Just like Voyager licensed Gold Key's IP, so did Alien license DMG's IPs. And just like Voyager didn't reboot Magnus Alien also didn't reboot VALIANT.

I wasn't making an argument; I said the conversation gave me that vibe (or actually the inverse of Ship of Theseus/Trigger's Broom) - I really was not taking sides or stating an opinion on either side.

He was taking sides, it’s obvious when you read between the lines!

[ManofTheAtom]

I thought that was pretty clear. There aren't really sides to this 'argument'. There's one guy twisting peoples' words around so he can have an argument with himself.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Those are your words...

[Dallow Spicer1]

New theory, MOTA and Ryan are the same person with 2 accounts!

[Ryan]

The year is 2029, Earth needs someone to save mankind from extinction by Skynet…meanwhile on the Valiant fans group we’re still arguing wether DMG and Alien are essentially the same company

There's only person making that argument, with himself. I assume it's because he hasn't read any of the comics so he just needs something to argue about? I really don't know at this point.

Reading the comics won't change the reality that Alien and DMG are two separate companies.

Just because Alien continued the fictional narrative from where DMG left off does not mean that one owns the other.

Again, show me where I or anyone else said 'DMG owns Alien'. You've been repeating this 100+ times ascribing it as my opinion, so it should be easy to find where I said it. If you can't produce the proof, then stop saying it.

[Ryan]

New theory, MOTA and Ryan are the same person with 2 accounts!

Seriously man, that makes me question your reading comprehension

[Dallow Spicer1]

New theory, MOTA and Ryan are the same person with 2 accounts!

Seriously man, that makes me question your reading comprehension

That’s exactly what MOTA would say!

[ManofTheAtom]

The year is 2029, Earth needs someone to save mankind from extinction by Skynet…meanwhile on the Valiant fans group we’re still arguing wether DMG and Alien are essentially the same company

There's only person making that argument, with himself. I assume it's because he hasn't read any of the comics so he just needs something to argue about? I really don't know at this point.

Reading the comics won't change the reality that Alien and DMG are two separate companies.

Just because Alien continued the fictional narrative from where DMG left off does not mean that one owns the other.

Again, show me where I or anyone else said 'DMG owns Alien'. You've been repeating this 100+ times ascribing it as my opinion, so it should be easy to find where I said it. If you can't produce the proof, then stop saying it.

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.
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That's you arguing against me when I said that they are two separate companies.

[Ryan]

I thought that was pretty clear. There aren't really sides to this 'argument'. There's one guy twisting peoples' words around so he can have an argument with himself.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Those are your words...

Ignoring the fact that I already said I retracted that statement since you can't distinguish the words 'entities' and 'businesses', those are 2 different words and an 'entity' is not a 'business'.

[Ryan]

New theory, MOTA and Ryan are the same person with 2 accounts!

Seriously man, that makes me question your reading comprehension

That’s exactly what MOTA would say!

Got me there bro

[ManofTheAtom]

I thought that was pretty clear. There aren't really sides to this 'argument'. There's one guy twisting peoples' words around so he can have an argument with himself.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Those are your words...

Ignoring the fact that I already said I retracted that statement since you can't distinguish the words 'entities' and 'businesses', those are 2 different words and an 'entity' is not a 'business'.

And, yet, you're making it again. You're the one who is STILL arguing that they are the same.

You're the one who cannot distinguish between Alien continuing a fictional narrative started by another company with corporate ownership.

[Ryan]

And, yet, you're making it again. You're the one who is STILL arguing that they are the same.

You're the one who cannot distinguish between Alien continuing a fictional narrative started by another company with corporate ownership.

I know you're going to ignore this because we've already said these exact same words, but saying they 'aren't completely separate entities' and saying 'they are the same business' are 2 different things. Yes or no?

[ManofTheAtom]

And, yet, you're making it again. You're the one who is STILL arguing that they are the same.

You're the one who cannot distinguish between Alien continuing a fictional narrative started by another company with corporate ownership.

I know you're going to ignore this because we've already said these exact same words, but saying they 'aren't completely separate entities' and saying 'they are the same business' are 2 different things. Yes or no?

Not in the context of your response.

When I said that they are NOT the same, you claimed that they are, and used one hiring the other's editor as proof.

You're the one who likely missed the context of what was being said, I don't know.

The argument at the time had NOTHING to do with fictional narrative. What was being discussed was CORPORATE OWNERSHIP, and YOU'RE the one who claimed that they is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities.

In the context of THAT conversation, entities DOES refer to CORPORATE entities.

I pointed out that Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups and your response was to argue that they are in fact the same entity.

And you're STILL making the same argument and STILL using Alien hiring DMG's editor as "proof".

[Ryan]

It was really an innocent comment, I didn't think it would spark multiple 10+ page threads of incomprehensible arguments.

I read a few Alien Valiant comics, and thought "wow these aren't that much different, in quality, from the 'DMG' Valiant comics I've read. In fact, they're kind of worse but there are some similarities. Oh, the Editor-in-Chief is the same, and the Valiant characters are still owned by the same people. That makes sense. To me, this means the aren't completely separate publishing entities."

Then "YOu said they're the same Business!" "YOu blamed them for the Kickstarter and DMG f-ups" for 10 pages