Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[The Harbinger]

So going through this, I don’t really care about the DMG this or Alien that. DMG made mistakes and Alien should do everything differently, we’ll all agree there. I have my words on anyone that could peacefully work with Antos as being a ne’er do well, but we can save that discussion for her cancelling creators, ostracizing half the country with politics, and never producing profit the next time she gets the new editor position after IDW falls.

A few thoughts:

If the Alien people are done coming to the board, too bad. If they want parasocial fans, they should’ve just gotten into YouTube. Instead, they have the jobs with the responsibility of carrying on the legacy of characters we love. It sounds silly, but that silliness pays their bills, so they should hopefully look at the big picture that an invested fan of their work (with money) is better than a Twitter egg spending no money telling them they’re cool.

MOTA, I don’t understand posting about these upcoming comics if you yourself are not reading them. You used a very vague term like ‘in my own time’ about reading them. But why? No comic stores around you? If you’re so invested in defending Alien from slander, the least you could do is be a customer of something. I trash DMG and Alien plenty, but I put my money up to at least try things out before giving up. I bet Alien appreciates my money more than your good will.

If you hate the stories of writers that’s one thing, I cannot connect the dots of raising awareness for the comics and not reading comics you are announcing for us. I either love my comic and endorse it (like Local Man currently) or hate it (Uncanny XMen and Blood Hunt).

[ManofTheAtom]

So going through this, I don’t really care about the DMG this or Alien that. DMG made mistakes and Alien should do everything differently, we’ll all agree there. I have my words on anyone that could peacefully work with Antos as being a ne’er do well, but we can save that discussion for her cancelling creators, ostracizing half the country with politics, and never producing profit the next time she gets the new editor position after IDW falls.

A few thoughts:

If the Alien people are done coming to the board, too bad. If they want parasocial fans, they should’ve just gotten into YouTube. Instead, they have the jobs with the responsibility of carrying on the legacy of characters we love. It sounds silly, but that silliness pays their bills, so they should hopefully look at the big picture that an invested fan of their work (with money) is better than a Twitter egg spending no money telling them they’re cool.

MOTA, I don’t understand posting about these upcoming comics if you yourself are not reading them. You used a very vague term like ‘in my own time’ about reading them. But why? No comic stores around you? If you’re so invested in defending Alien from slander, the least you could do is be a customer of something. I trash DMG and Alien plenty, but I put my money up to at least try things out before giving up. I bet Alien appreciates my money more than your good will.

If you hate the stories of writers that’s one thing, I cannot connect the dots of raising awareness for the comics and not reading comics you are announcing for us. I either love my comic and endorse it (like Local Man currently) or hate it (Uncanny XMen and Blood Hunt).

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

What I do want is for VALIANT to succeed. I don't have to read the comics right now in order to support that, and post about them here to keep others appraised of what is happening.

It's no different from my sharing other people's Kickstarters for their comics on Facebook.

[Chiclo]

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

I'd like to recognise and appreciate this attitude. It never surprises me when a poster complains about the quality of the comics - even the company failing to pay their creators in a timely manner - and then say he never paid for the comics, even if he covers it with a fig leaf of not wanting to support China.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

I'd like to recognise and appreciate this attitude. It never surprises me when a poster complains about the quality of the comics - even the company failing to pay their creators in a timely manner - and then say he never paid for the comics, even if he covers it with a fig leaf of not wanting to support China.

[Ryan]

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

What I do want is for VALIANT to succeed. I don't have to read the comics right now in order to support that, and post about them here to keep others appraised of what is happening.

It's no different from my sharing other people's Kickstarters for their comics on Facebook.

Definition of Shill from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

shill
noun
1
a
: one who acts as a decoy (as for a pitchman or gambler)
b
: one who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter

One who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter. That's exactly what you're doing, why deny it? You're promoting the comics that you want to succeed, but you can't afford to read them yourself, so you're just going to promote them whether you would actually think they're good or not. Just embrace that's what you're doing and we can all agree.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

What I do want is for VALIANT to succeed. I don't have to read the comics right now in order to support that, and post about them here to keep others appraised of what is happening.

It's no different from my sharing other people's Kickstarters for their comics on Facebook.

Definition of Shill from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

shill
noun
1
a
: one who acts as a decoy (as for a pitchman or gambler)
b
: one who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter

One who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter. That's exactly what you're doing, why deny it? You're promoting the comics that you want to succeed, but you can't afford to read them yourself, so you're just going to promote them whether you would actually think they're good or not. Just embrace that's what you're doing and we can all agree.

I'm keeping other people informed on what is happening with the comics we all enjoy. No one else is doing it.

You invited me back here to create topics of conversation, remember?

The board was inactive for days before I posted that.

[Ryan]

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

What I do want is for VALIANT to succeed. I don't have to read the comics right now in order to support that, and post about them here to keep others appraised of what is happening.

It's no different from my sharing other people's Kickstarters for their comics on Facebook.

Definition of Shill from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

shill
noun
1
a
: one who acts as a decoy (as for a pitchman or gambler)
b
: one who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter

One who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter. That's exactly what you're doing, why deny it? You're promoting the comics that you want to succeed, but you can't afford to read them yourself, so you're just going to promote them whether you would actually think they're good or not. Just embrace that's what you're doing and we can all agree.

I'm keeping other people informed on what is happening with the comics we all enjoy. No one else is doing it.

You invited me back here to create topics of conversation, remember?

The board was inactive for days before I posted that.

If there's actual, organic interest in the Alien books on this board then people would post the press releases because they are actually enjoying the comics. Like they did in the VEI days. If that organic interest isn't there from the fans, then there's no need for promoters to artificially pretend that there is.

Since you've admitted I'm right and that you are shilling (aka promoting), there was no need to go on a 9 page rant.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

What I do want is for VALIANT to succeed. I don't have to read the comics right now in order to support that, and post about them here to keep others appraised of what is happening.

It's no different from my sharing other people's Kickstarters for their comics on Facebook.

Definition of Shill from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shill

shill
noun
1
a
: one who acts as a decoy (as for a pitchman or gambler)
b
: one who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter

One who makes a sales pitch or serves as a promoter. That's exactly what you're doing, why deny it? You're promoting the comics that you want to succeed, but you can't afford to read them yourself, so you're just going to promote them whether you would actually think they're good or not. Just embrace that's what you're doing and we can all agree.

I'm keeping other people informed on what is happening with the comics we all enjoy. No one else is doing it.

You invited me back here to create topics of conversation, remember?

The board was inactive for days before I posted that.

If there's actual, organic interest in the Alien books on this board then people would post the press releases because they are actually enjoying the comics. Like they did in the VEI days. If that organic interest isn't there from the fans, then there's no need for promoters to artificially pretend that there is.

Since you've admitted I'm right and that you are shilling (aka promoting), there was no need to go on a 9 page rant.

I've admitted no such thing.

I share news about the comics here like I do over on the FB VALIANT Fans page.

[ManofTheAtom]

DEATH HAS BEEN CONQUERED!

“If you’re not a longtime Valiant reader, you might not know that in this universe, dead means dead,” explains Alien Books Director Matias Timarchi. “This rule has been followed very closely for many years but when you have a truly nefarious villain like Dr. Silk involved, you shouldn’t be surprised if he breaks a few things, namely the barrier between life and death, on his path to world domination.”

“We’ve been teasing that someone would be coming back from the dead in RESURGENCE and if you’ve paid attention to the cover reveals or picked up the preview comic at San Diego Comic-Con, you probably already have a good idea of who it is,” adds Alien Books / Valiant Comics Editor-in-Chief Lysa Hawkins. “Well, the cat’s out of the bag now and we can share that Dr. Silk has resurrected Charlee Dupree, aka Flamingo, as ‘proof’ of his power over life and death. How will our heroes react after seeing their old friend return from the dead? You’ll have to read the book to find out, we’re not giving everything away today!”

As I figured, Silk brings Flamingo back from the dead as proof of concept that what he is promising works.

[syzhang28]

DEATH HAS BEEN CONQUERED!

“If you’re not a longtime Valiant reader, you might not know that in this universe, dead means dead,” explains Alien Books Director Matias Timarchi. “This rule has been followed very closely for many years but when you have a truly nefarious villain like Dr. Silk involved, you shouldn’t be surprised if he breaks a few things, namely the barrier between life and death, on his path to world domination.”

“We’ve been teasing that someone would be coming back from the dead in RESURGENCE and if you’ve paid attention to the cover reveals or picked up the preview comic at San Diego Comic-Con, you probably already have a good idea of who it is,” adds Alien Books / Valiant Comics Editor-in-Chief Lysa Hawkins. “Well, the cat’s out of the bag now and we can share that Dr. Silk has resurrected Charlee Dupree, aka Flamingo, as ‘proof’ of his power over life and death. How will our heroes react after seeing their old friend return from the dead? You’ll have to read the book to find out, we’re not giving everything away today!”

As I figured, Silk brings Flamingo back from the dead as proof of concept that what he is promising works.

I love how you take credit for the thing they've been marketing from the get go. Let me try my hand at one of these MOTA style predictions. I predict that the bad guy loses at the end of the story. I also predict that Bloodshot will fight somebody, probably Rai (who he literally fights on the cover) but who knows. We'll see if I get to tell you so with my keen storytelling mind honed through years of being a wannabe writer.

[JonesyAZ]

MOTA, you spend a lot of time posting here and on FB about Valiant’s past and talking about the current companies. If you care about Valiant so much, BUY and READ the new books. Spend the quality time reading these characters you claim to care about so much. Personally, I tire of your constant obsessive posts otherwise.

All we want you to do is modify your time and energy and money and buy and read the books!

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

And like I answered originally, NO ONE is doing that. People are discussing the over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and judging them on their own merits.

People have been *SQUEE* on Alien since before they published a single comic, and doing it based on the screw ups that happened at DMG.

Read the comics, have an opinion. People are entitled to have their opinions on this board. If you disagree, read the comics and dispute their opinions with facts from READING THE COMICS.

[JonesyAZ]

Hello again MOTA,

After reading through this thread fully and my response below, I must apologize for my previous response. I was having an emotional evening when I wrote it and I failed to read that you previously commented in this thread that monetary reasons are why you can’t read the newer books. I get that. If/when the time comes you are able to read the books, I’d love your feedback. As I’m sure others would too.

MOTA, you spend a lot of time posting here and on FB about Valiant’s past and talking about the current companies. If you care about Valiant so much, BUY and READ the new books. Spend the quality time reading these characters you claim to care about so much. Personally, I tire of your constant obsessive posts otherwise.

All we want you to do is modify your time and energy and money and buy and read the books!

So, BACK to the original post,

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

And like I answered originally, NO ONE is doing that. People are discussing the over 20 Alien-Valiant comics released and judging them on their own merits.

People have been *SQUEE* on Alien since before they published a single comic, and doing it based on the screw ups that happened at DMG.

Read the comics, have an opinion. People are entitled to have their opinions on this board. If you disagree, read the comics and dispute their opinions with facts from READING THE COMICS.

[ManofTheAtom]

Hello again MOTA,

After reading through this thread fully and my response below, I must apologize for my previous response. I was having an emotional evening when I wrote it and I failed to read that you previously commented in this thread that monetary reasons are why you can’t read the newer books. I get that. If/when the time comes you are able to read the books, I’d love your feedback. As I’m sure others would too.

[TheFerg714]

Bad news if true ….

Flamingo rises from the ashes in RESURGENCE OF THE VALIANT UNIVERSE, the can’t miss Valiant Comics crossover event arriving in comic shops September 18th.

Alien Books (and the villainous Dr. Silk) are set to dramatically break the rules of the Valiant Universe in the four-issue event series RESURGENCE OF THE VALIANT UNIVERSE!

Eh, Valiant already broke their own rule with Deathmate. As long as it makes sense within the fiction, I'm down.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Bad news if true ….

Flamingo rises from the ashes in RESURGENCE OF THE VALIANT UNIVERSE, the can’t miss Valiant Comics crossover event arriving in comic shops September 18th.

Alien Books (and the villainous Dr. Silk) are set to dramatically break the rules of the Valiant Universe in the four-issue event series RESURGENCE OF THE VALIANT UNIVERSE!

Eh, Valiant already broke their own rule with Deathmate. As long as it makes sense within the fiction, I'm down.

Yes it needs to make sense with the internal logic of the universe but it’s a slippery slope though right? Are you ok with Valiant becoming another Marvel/DC where characters regularly ‘die’?

[TheFerg714]

Yes it needs to make sense with the internal logic of the universe but it’s a slippery slope though right? Are you ok with Valiant becoming another Marvel/DC where characters regularly ‘die’?

Well I'm definitely a little worried about it, because it can indeed be a slippery slope. I don't want lots of dead characters coming back, but Silk has already shown that he can create apparently infinite clones of the same guy. If it's just a riff on that "technology," I think it'll be fine. I'll wait and see how they handle it. Hell, maybe Charlene is the perfect excuse to "resurrect" the old Renegades team and give us an exciting new direction.

More importantly though, I just think it's a little silly to jump the gun and act like Alien is "breaking the rules," when VEI already broke them like 8 years ago.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Yes it needs to make sense with the internal logic of the universe but it’s a slippery slope though right? Are you ok with Valiant becoming another Marvel/DC where characters regularly ‘die’?

Well I'm definitely a little worried about it, because it can indeed be a slippery slope. I don't want lots of dead characters coming back, but Silk has already shown that he can create apparently infinite clones of the same guy. If it's just a riff on that "technology," I think it'll be fine. I'll wait and see how they handle it. Hell, maybe Charlene is the perfect excuse to "resurrect" the old Renegades team and give us an exciting new direction.

More importantly though, I just think it's a little silly to jump the gun and act like Alien is "breaking the rules," when VEI already broke them like 8 years ago.

Yeah I think the Kay McHenry thing was a misstep but 2 wrongs don’t make a right. If the Flamingo thing is a temporary thing then I’ll let it pass but if it’s permanent then that’ll be insane.

[leonmallett]

I'm not currently able to afford to buy comics. Money's been tight for a long time, and I'd rather not pirate them.

I'd like to recognise and appreciate this attitude. It never surprises me when a poster complains about the quality of the comics - even the company failing to pay their creators in a timely manner - and then say he never paid for the comics, even if he covers it with a fig leaf of not wanting to support China.

[leonmallett]

Bad news if true ….

Flamingo rises from the ashes in RESURGENCE OF THE VALIANT UNIVERSE, the can’t miss Valiant Comics crossover event arriving in comic shops September 18th.

Alien Books (and the villainous Dr. Silk) are set to dramatically break the rules of the Valiant Universe in the four-issue event series RESURGENCE OF THE VALIANT UNIVERSE!

Eh, Valiant already broke their own rule with Deathmate. As long as it makes sense within the fiction, I'm down.

[leonmallett]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Trigger’s Broom, never heard of it?

[ManofTheAtom]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

[Ryan]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Yes, exactly. It was only ever meant to be a side philosophical discussion in the context of discussing the actual comics.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

*Editor-in-Chief. You'd think you would know the difference between an Editor and an Editor-in-Chief.

[ManofTheAtom]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Yes, exactly. It was only ever meant to be a side philosophical discussion in the context of discussing the actual comics.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

*Editor-in-Chief. You'd think you would know the difference between an Editor and an Editor-in-Chief.

A difference that has no bearing on the ownership of Alien Books.

Alien and DMG are still two distinct companies. The former merely licenses the latter's IP and hired the same editor to oversee the line. Nothing more and nothing less.

[Ryan]

Am I the only one who had 'Ship of Theseus' vibes reading the DMG are/are not Alien comments?

Or in British terms, Trigger's Broom.

Yes, exactly. It was only ever meant to be a side philosophical discussion in the context of discussing the actual comics.

Why would you? They are two distinctly separate companies formed in two different countries and owned by different people.

One just happens to license the other's IP and hired the same editor.

As stated many times before, the argument that they are the same company goes away if Alien had hired a different editor and rebooted the VALIANT Universe.

*Editor-in-Chief. You'd think you would know the difference between an Editor and an Editor-in-Chief.

A difference that has no bearing on the ownership of Alien Books.

Alien and DMG are still two distinct companies. The former merely licenses the latter's IP and hired the same editor to oversee the line. Nothing more and nothing less.

*Editor-in-Chief