Unity 2000

[ManofTheAtom]

Would a crowdfunding campaign for a Unity 2000 hardcover and/or softcover with all six issues (and additional material) succeed?

Since all the content has already been paid for, wouldn't Alien pretty much just have to cover the costs of lettering and coloring of the last (or last three, I forget) issue and the printing?

One cool extra in a Unity 2000 collection could be a short story like the ones in the Harbinger, X-O Manowar, Archer & Armstrong, and Bloodshot VH 1 hardcovers that explains the genesis of the VEI iteration and its relation to VH 1 and VH 2.

How VEI came to be doesn't need to be a massive crossover event, it could be explained within the span of a few pages, like maybe in a Geomancer story starring Tama before she traveled back in time to the present from the future.

[Ryan]

Would a crowdfunding campaign for a Unity 2000 hardcover and/or softcover with all six issues (and additional material) succeed?

Since all the content has already been paid for, wouldn't Alien pretty much just have to cover the costs of lettering and coloring of the last (or last three, I forget) issue and the printing?

One cool extra in a Unity 2000 collection could be a short story like the ones in the Harbinger, X-O Manowar, Archer & Armstrong, and Bloodshot VH 1 hardcovers that explains the genesis of the VEI iteration and its relation to VH 1 and VH 2.

How VEI came to be doesn't need to be a massive crossover event, it could be explained within the span of a few pages, like maybe in a Geomancer story starring Tama before she traveled back in time to the present from the future.

I like Unity 2000 as a quirky, offbeat story using a bunch of different versions of the Valiant characters. But as canon it raises a lot more problems than it solves.

Stuff like the devil, doomsday clocks, and magic ink don't really fit in Valiant to me.

How would you explain the genesis of VEI within the canon of Unity 2000? VEI is yet another delusional reality caused by a comic book illustrator using magic ink supplied by the devil?

Since VH2 is the only 'real' reality, according to U2K.

[ManofTheAtom]

Would a crowdfunding campaign for a Unity 2000 hardcover and/or softcover with all six issues (and additional material) succeed?

Since all the content has already been paid for, wouldn't Alien pretty much just have to cover the costs of lettering and coloring of the last (or last three, I forget) issue and the printing?

One cool extra in a Unity 2000 collection could be a short story like the ones in the Harbinger, X-O Manowar, Archer & Armstrong, and Bloodshot VH 1 hardcovers that explains the genesis of the VEI iteration and its relation to VH 1 and VH 2.

How VEI came to be doesn't need to be a massive crossover event, it could be explained within the span of a few pages, like maybe in a Geomancer story starring Tama before she traveled back in time to the present from the future.

I like Unity 2000 as a quirky, offbeat story using a bunch of different versions of the Valiant characters. But as canon it raises a lot more problems than it solves.

Stuff like the devil, doomsday clocks, and magic ink don't really fit in Valiant to me.

How would you explain the genesis of VEI within the canon of Unity 2000? VEI is yet another delusional reality caused by a comic book illustrator using magic ink supplied by the devil?

Since VH2 is the only 'real' reality, according to U2K.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed.

"Everything in the universe is energy, it's all in how you move it" -- Solar.

VEI IS VH-1, but changed from one energy state to another.

The "magic ink" is merely an advanced form of technology indistinguishable from magic that changed the energy that makes up the VH 1 iterations of the VALIANT characters into the VEI iterations.

VEI Bloodshot is VH-1 Bloodshot.

VEI Archer is VH-1 Archer.

And so on and so forth.

[Ryan]

Would a crowdfunding campaign for a Unity 2000 hardcover and/or softcover with all six issues (and additional material) succeed?

Since all the content has already been paid for, wouldn't Alien pretty much just have to cover the costs of lettering and coloring of the last (or last three, I forget) issue and the printing?

One cool extra in a Unity 2000 collection could be a short story like the ones in the Harbinger, X-O Manowar, Archer & Armstrong, and Bloodshot VH 1 hardcovers that explains the genesis of the VEI iteration and its relation to VH 1 and VH 2.

How VEI came to be doesn't need to be a massive crossover event, it could be explained within the span of a few pages, like maybe in a Geomancer story starring Tama before she traveled back in time to the present from the future.

I like Unity 2000 as a quirky, offbeat story using a bunch of different versions of the Valiant characters. But as canon it raises a lot more problems than it solves.

Stuff like the devil, doomsday clocks, and magic ink don't really fit in Valiant to me.

How would you explain the genesis of VEI within the canon of Unity 2000? VEI is yet another delusional reality caused by a comic book illustrator using magic ink supplied by the devil?

Since VH2 is the only 'real' reality, according to U2K.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed.

"Everything in the universe is energy, it's all in how you move it" -- Solar.

VEI IS VH-1, but changed from one energy state to another.

The "magic ink" is merely an advanced form of technology indistinguishable from magic that changed the energy that makes up the VH 1 iterations of the VALIANT characters into the VEI iterations.

VEI Bloodshot is VH-1 Bloodshot.

VEI Archer is VH-1 Archer.

And so on and so forth.

Hmm, so if that's true then Rai 0 is still valid. Then why isn't Archer dead?

[ManofTheAtom]

Would a crowdfunding campaign for a Unity 2000 hardcover and/or softcover with all six issues (and additional material) succeed?

Since all the content has already been paid for, wouldn't Alien pretty much just have to cover the costs of lettering and coloring of the last (or last three, I forget) issue and the printing?

One cool extra in a Unity 2000 collection could be a short story like the ones in the Harbinger, X-O Manowar, Archer & Armstrong, and Bloodshot VH 1 hardcovers that explains the genesis of the VEI iteration and its relation to VH 1 and VH 2.

How VEI came to be doesn't need to be a massive crossover event, it could be explained within the span of a few pages, like maybe in a Geomancer story starring Tama before she traveled back in time to the present from the future.

I like Unity 2000 as a quirky, offbeat story using a bunch of different versions of the Valiant characters. But as canon it raises a lot more problems than it solves.

Stuff like the devil, doomsday clocks, and magic ink don't really fit in Valiant to me.

How would you explain the genesis of VEI within the canon of Unity 2000? VEI is yet another delusional reality caused by a comic book illustrator using magic ink supplied by the devil?

Since VH2 is the only 'real' reality, according to U2K.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed.

"Everything in the universe is energy, it's all in how you move it" -- Solar.

VEI IS VH-1, but changed from one energy state to another.

The "magic ink" is merely an advanced form of technology indistinguishable from magic that changed the energy that makes up the VH 1 iterations of the VALIANT characters into the VEI iterations.

VEI Bloodshot is VH-1 Bloodshot.

VEI Archer is VH-1 Archer.

And so on and so forth.

Hmm, so if that's true then Rai 0 is still valid. Then why isn't Archer dead?

Unfortunately, the two are not compatible.

[Ryan]

Unfortunately, the two are not compatible.

Unity 2000 makes a lot of things incompatible.

So in your version, what's the force that's changing the energy and causing all these iterations? Is it an energy being like Pierce or Phil, or some larger force?

[ManofTheAtom]

Unfortunately, the two are not compatible.

Unity 2000 makes a lot of things incompatible.

So in your version, what's the force that's changing the energy and causing all these iterations? Is it an energy being like Pierce or Phil, or some larger force?

I'd just say that Loremaster from Unity 2000 is another Solar split and the "magic ink" is something he concocted to change the energy state of those it affects.

[possumgrease]

Regardless of any confusion (no one's reading this but us), I'd still like to see the hardcover and would support a kickstarter.

[ManofTheAtom]

Regardless of any confusion (no one's reading this but us), I'd still like to see the hardcover and would support a kickstarter.

It could be really cool.

[valiantdude]

this has been attempted already..
didnt make it..
jim only plotted #6
high res scans are really hard to find.
someone went a mission as per JJ Jackson.. wanted her to color it at first.. she said yes at first.. then passed..
someone has this project 90% there and then stopped..
its 25yrs later almost..
check defiant comics fans fb group page for the schism kickstarter thats coming..

[ManofTheAtom]

this has been attempted already..
didnt make it..
jim only plotted #6
high res scans are really hard to find.
someone went a mission as per JJ Jackson.. wanted her to color it at first.. she said yes at first.. then passed..
someone has this project 90% there and then stopped..
its 25yrs later almost..
check defiant comics fans fb group page for the schism kickstarter thats coming..

I've seen high res scans and I'm pretty sure Swinney did get them colored, lettered, and printed a decade or so ago.

[valiantdude]

yes, im sure they are out there.. i heard someone traveled to japan to get some scans..
dont know if the scipts were avail for #4,5 before podcast host got them from Jim..
if your friend has all this he should just release it.. lets see it!

where can we find his res scans?

[ManofTheAtom]

yes, im sure they are out there.. i heard someone traveled to japan to get some scans..
dont know if the scipts were avail for #4,5 before podcast host got them from Jim..
if your friend has all this he should just release it.. lets see it!

where can we find his res scans?

Try reaching out to Jonathan Swinney/Fanboy375 here or on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.swinney.79

It just occurred to me that the members of this board should have done our own version of how Unity 2000 ends a long time ago. We used to have writers and artists. We could have likely done an ending that was more beneficial to VH 1 than the legit one, and restored Rai #0 for sure.

[Chiclo]

yes, im sure they are out there.. i heard someone traveled to japan to get some scans..
dont know if the scipts were avail for #4,5 before podcast host got them from Jim..
if your friend has all this he should just release it.. lets see it!

where can we find his res scans?

Try reaching out to Jonathan Swinney/Fanboy375 here or on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.swinney.79

It just occurred to me that the members of this board should have done our own version of how Unity 2000 ends a long time ago. We used to have writers and artists. We could have likely done an ending that was more beneficial to VH 1 than the legit one, and restored Rai #0 for sure.

So you are saying you can write a better ending than a collaboration between Jim Shooter and Jim Starlin?

[ManofTheAtom]

yes, im sure they are out there.. i heard someone traveled to japan to get some scans..
dont know if the scipts were avail for #4,5 before podcast host got them from Jim..
if your friend has all this he should just release it.. lets see it!

where can we find his res scans?

Try reaching out to Jonathan Swinney/Fanboy375 here or on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.swinney.79

It just occurred to me that the members of this board should have done our own version of how Unity 2000 ends a long time ago. We used to have writers and artists. We could have likely done an ending that was more beneficial to VH 1 than the legit one, and restored Rai #0 for sure.

So you are saying you can write a better ending than a collaboration between Jim Shooter and Jim Starlin?

Well, Shooter wrote the ending Acclaim told him to write, not necessariy what he would have come up with.

[Chiclo]

yes, im sure they are out there.. i heard someone traveled to japan to get some scans..
dont know if the scipts were avail for #4,5 before podcast host got them from Jim..
if your friend has all this he should just release it.. lets see it!

where can we find his res scans?

Try reaching out to Jonathan Swinney/Fanboy375 here or on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.swinney.79

It just occurred to me that the members of this board should have done our own version of how Unity 2000 ends a long time ago. We used to have writers and artists. We could have likely done an ending that was more beneficial to VH 1 than the legit one, and restored Rai #0 for sure.

So you are saying you can write a better ending than a collaboration between Jim Shooter and Jim Starlin?

Well, Shooter wrote the ending Acclaim told him to write, not necessariy what he would have come up with.

I know why the caged Howard Roark sings.

[ManofTheAtom]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

[Ryan]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

That sounds cool

[leonmallett]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

Crisis on Infinite Earths lite.

[ManofTheAtom]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

Crisis on Infinite Earths lite.

Indeed. Loremaster would make such a remark to mock Solar.

[ManofTheAtom]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

That sounds cool

Thanks!

[Chiclo]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

Crisis on Infinite Earths lite.

Ooh, and Pete Stanchek could be the analogue to DC's Harbinger!

[ManofTheAtom]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

Crisis on Infinite Earths lite.

Ooh, and Pete Stanchek could be the analogue to DC's Harbinger!

Make it Harada.

Harada is the one who uses his Omega Harbinger ability to force the Seleski splits to merge by forcing them to converge on a mental space and face their demons.

It's odd that neither Harada nor VH 1 Darque are in Unity 2000.

[Chiclo]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

Crisis on Infinite Earths lite.

Ooh, and Pete Stanchek could be the analogue to DC's Harbinger!

Make it Harada.

Harada is the one who uses his Omega Harbinger ability to force the Seleski splits to merge by forcing them to converge on a mental space and face their demons.

It's odd that neither Harada nor VH 1 Darque are in Unity 2000.

Ok, that actually is a pretty good idea.

Why do the Seleskis have to face their demons? Is it a writer thing?

What is a collective noun for Phil Seleskis? A parliament? Galaxy of Solars? Milk crate?

[ManofTheAtom]

My suggestion for a new ending for Unity 2000 would be to focus on the Phil Seleski D'arque visits at the Edgewater reactor and Loremaster, who I'd contend could be a split of Phil given his obsession with comic books.

Even the monster they find at the heart of the multiverse could be another split.

Bring it all back to Phil's Silver Age-colored superhero fantasies that started with him transforming into his childhood hero and Erica into his doppleganger in Alpha & Omega.

In essence, it's his childhood fantasies that kept screwing up the universe. Creating a multiverse like the one DC had during the Silver Age is something that someone who grew up reading comic books in the '60s would absolutely do for sure.

The solution would be for all the dispirate duplictaes of Solar to merge into a single form, likely by drinking the "magic ink" Loremaster provided to D'arque.

The ending would coalese all the realiites into a single one that uses VH 1 as its primary framework. There would be VH 1 versions of the VH 2 characters like Trinity Angels, Rand Banion, Donovan Wiley, Quantum & Woody, etc, who'd get their own endings in an expanded version of Rai #0 that also includes the endings for the characters introduced subsequent to its publication.

Crisis on Infinite Earths lite.

Ooh, and Pete Stanchek could be the analogue to DC's Harbinger!

Make it Harada.

Harada is the one who uses his Omega Harbinger ability to force the Seleski splits to merge by forcing them to converge on a mental space and face their demons.

It's odd that neither Harada nor VH 1 Darque are in Unity 2000.

Ok, that actually is a pretty good idea.

Why do the Seleskis have to face their demons? Is it a writer thing?

What is a collective noun for Phil Seleskis? A parliament? Galaxy of Solars? Milk crate?

A Constellation of Solars in the form of the VALIANT compass.

Facing their demons is a human thing. Why did a young Phil first become so interested in comics? What was he escaping from or escaping to? It's a character study that explains why they are so important to him.

It was his obsession with them that led him to first create his "wish machine", then the VALIANT Universe, and, ultimately, the VALIANT multiverse.