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I was loving the stuff Dinesh was pumping out at Valiant. I haven't read much since he left. Is Valiant AD (After Dinesh) any good? :hm:
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In my opinion, as a whole, the short answer would be no. With some just being awful. Alien has taken over Valiant's comic publishing now and hopefully they can turn the tide around.

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SouthernComicGeek wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:29:44 am In my opinion, as a whole, the short answer would be no. With some just being awful. Alien has taken over Valiant's comic publishing now and hopefully they can turn the tide around.
Any plans to bring Dinesh back? Not sure if he would be willing but just curiour.
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whetteon wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:36:45 am
SouthernComicGeek wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:29:44 am In my opinion, as a whole, the short answer would be no. With some just being awful. Alien has taken over Valiant's comic publishing now and hopefully they can turn the tide around.
Any plans to bring Dinesh back? Not sure if he would be willing but just curiour.
I suspect that as long as Dan Mintz/DMG continues to own Valiant, you will never see Dinesh get re-involved.
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whetteon wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:20:35 am I was loving the stuff Dinesh was pumping out at Valiant. I haven't read much since he left. Is Valiant AD (After Dinesh) any good? :hm:
We all miss Dinesh greatly :cry:

The "DMG era", from midway through 2018 to 2023, is pretty rough. For my money, about half of it is good, but it doesn't have any of the 10/10's that Dinesh's era used to pump out regularly.

Alien Books just took over this year and it's been a bit hit-or-miss. It's definitely a fresh start, with a renewed focus on interconnectivity, continuity, and callbacks, but the overall quality is debatable. Personally, I'm very much enjoying what Alien has produced, even if some of it hasn't quite lived up to expectations. Their first major event, and jumping-on point begins with Resurgence #1, which releases this coming Wednesday, and promises to shake things up.

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Not to throw any shade at Alien Books, but then the question becomes could Dinesh/Bad Idea have licensed the VALIANT IP from DMG and continued doing the books the way he was doing them before DMG acquired VALIANT?

Could he have wanted to? Would it have been financially feasible?
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TheFerg714 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:44:19 pm
whetteon wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:20:35 am I was loving the stuff Dinesh was pumping out at Valiant. I haven't read much since he left. Is Valiant AD (After Dinesh) any good? :hm:
We all miss Dinesh greatly :cry:

The "DMG era", from midway through 2018 to 2023, is pretty rough. For my money, about half of it is good, but it doesn't have any of the 10/10's that Dinesh's era used to pump out regularly.

Alien Books just took over this year and it's been a bit hit-or-miss. It's definitely a fresh start, with a renewed focus on interconnectivity, continuity, and callbacks, but the overall quality is debatable. Personally, I'm very much enjoying what Alien has produced, even if some of it hasn't quite lived up to expectations. Their first major event, and jumping-on point begins with Resurgence #1, which releases this coming Wednesday, and promises to shake things up.
So, do you think Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe (web series) was good and showed a great understanding of what makes the Valiant characters good? Just wondering since you're speaking for everyone on the board.

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Ryan wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:50:35 pm So, do you think Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe (web series) was good and showed a great understanding of what makes the Valiant characters good? Just wondering since you're speaking for everyone on the board.
Ninjak vs. VU (and the Bloodshot movie) sucked. The comics under Dinesh's leadership were fantastic though, and they absolutely showed a great understanding of what makes Valiant characters so good.

I suppose I'll rephrase it: "[Everyone but Ryan] all miss Dinesh greatly :cry: "

Also, I was under the impression that even the oldheads, that weren't necessarily huge fans of the VEI era, still very much appreciated Dino as a fan, as well as for his contributions to Valiant.

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TheFerg714 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:58:58 am
Ryan wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:50:35 pm So, do you think Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe (web series) was good and showed a great understanding of what makes the Valiant characters good? Just wondering since you're speaking for everyone on the board.
Ninjak vs. VU (and the Bloodshot movie) sucked. The comics under Dinesh's leadership were fantastic though, and they absolutely showed a great understanding of what makes Valiant characters so good.

I suppose I'll rephrase it: "[Everyone but Ryan] all miss Dinesh greatly :cry: "

Also, I was under the impression that even the oldheads, that weren't necessarily huge fans of the VEI era, still very much appreciated Dino as a fan, as well as for his contributions to Valiant.
Why are you erasing valiantdude like that? :lol:

If everyone loved VEI as much as you claim, wouldn't there be more fans now?

Why does it have to be personal about Dino? From all I've seen about him, he seems like a super cool and super nice guy. That has nothing to do with whether I think the VEI comics were good or not, or whether I thought they showed a great understanding of what made Valiant good.

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TheFerg714 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:58:58 am
Ryan wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:50:35 pm So, do you think Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe (web series) was good and showed a great understanding of what makes the Valiant characters good? Just wondering since you're speaking for everyone on the board.
Ninjak vs. VU (and the Bloodshot movie) sucked. The comics under Dinesh's leadership were fantastic though, and they absolutely showed a great understanding of what makes Valiant characters so good.

I suppose I'll rephrase it: "[Everyone but Ryan] all miss Dinesh greatly :cry: "

Also, I was under the impression that even the oldheads, that weren't necessarily huge fans of the VEI era, still very much appreciated Dino as a fan, as well as for his contributions to Valiant.
Dinesh was involved with both Ninjak vs and Bloodshot, and, for what they were, I enjoyed them both. I'd rather Bloodshot had been more like the VH 1 version, but it was as close to Dinesh's idea of how the character should be portrayed as they could make it.
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Ryan wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:50:35 pm
TheFerg714 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:44:19 pm
whetteon wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:20:35 am I was loving the stuff Dinesh was pumping out at Valiant. I haven't read much since he left. Is Valiant AD (After Dinesh) any good? :hm:
We all miss Dinesh greatly :cry:

The "DMG era", from midway through 2018 to 2023, is pretty rough. For my money, about half of it is good, but it doesn't have any of the 10/10's that Dinesh's era used to pump out regularly.

Alien Books just took over this year and it's been a bit hit-or-miss. It's definitely a fresh start, with a renewed focus on interconnectivity, continuity, and callbacks, but the overall quality is debatable. Personally, I'm very much enjoying what Alien has produced, even if some of it hasn't quite lived up to expectations. Their first major event, and jumping-on point begins with Resurgence #1, which releases this coming Wednesday, and promises to shake things up.
So, do you think Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe (web series) was good and showed a great understanding of what makes the Valiant characters good? Just wondering since you're speaking for everyone on the board.
Pretty simple really. When you give Dinesh control the quality is there in spades. Remember Ninjak Vs was taken over by DMG in post production. Dinesh never got to see it through. Dinesh talks a lot in interviews about how the way they do the post production process in comics being the most important part. Also DMG tried to cancel Ninjak vs so it stands to reason they didn't give them the money to finish it properly. If I remember correctly it only even got released because comicbook.com already had a contract to release it and even then it got the shorted release possible. I think they only place you can watch it now is a pirate version on youtube.

And Bloodshot was Sony who famously *SQUEE* up superhero movies. The fact that Bloodshot is better than Madame Web, Morbius etc. makes me think that at another studio it could have really been something. And I'm one of the many who really like the movie.

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Ryan wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 10:30:52 am
TheFerg714 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:58:58 am
Ryan wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:50:35 pm So, do you think Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe (web series) was good and showed a great understanding of what makes the Valiant characters good? Just wondering since you're speaking for everyone on the board.
Ninjak vs. VU (and the Bloodshot movie) sucked. The comics under Dinesh's leadership were fantastic though, and they absolutely showed a great understanding of what makes Valiant characters so good.

I suppose I'll rephrase it: "[Everyone but Ryan] all miss Dinesh greatly :cry: "

Also, I was under the impression that even the oldheads, that weren't necessarily huge fans of the VEI era, still very much appreciated Dino as a fan, as well as for his contributions to Valiant.
Why are you erasing valiantdude like that? :lol:

If everyone loved VEI as much as you claim, wouldn't there be more fans now?

Why does it have to be personal about Dino? From all I've seen about him, he seems like a super cool and super nice guy. That has nothing to do with whether I think the VEI comics were good or not, or whether I thought they showed a great understanding of what made Valiant good.
Truth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally disagree with you and think the majority does too but I respect your right to your opinion and I often do agree with you on other things. I also think we can both agree that it admirable what Dinesh was able to accomplish especially since several have tried to replicate it since and can't come anywhere near close.

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syzhang28 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:31:41 pm
Pretty simple really. When you give Dinesh control the quality is there in spades. Remember Ninjak Vs was taken over by DMG in post production. Dinesh never got to see it through. Dinesh talks a lot in interviews about how the way they do the post production process in comics being the most important part. Also DMG tried to cancel Ninjak vs so it stands to reason they didn't give them the money to finish it properly. If I remember correctly it only even got released because comicbook.com already had a contract to release it and even then it got the shorted release possible. I think they only place you can watch it now is a pirate version on youtube.

And Bloodshot was Sony who famously *SQUEE* up superhero movies. The fact that Bloodshot is better than Madame Web, Morbius etc. makes me think that at another studio it could have really been something. And I'm one of the many who really like the movie.
Cool, I had forgotten those details.
syzhang28 wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 2:34:20 pm Truth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally disagree with you and think the majority does too but I respect your right to your opinion and I often do agree with you on other things. I also think we can both agree that it admirable what Dinesh was able to accomplish especially since several have tried to replicate it since and can't come anywhere near close.
That's fair. I had always respected what VEI was accomplishing even though it wasn't for my particular taste. Which is why I stopped posting for many years. Let the new fans take over.

It was only after the characters were bought out that my interest in the old school Valiant got rekindled. I thought it would be an opportunity for the old school fans to get another shot at getting closer to the Valiant universe we wanted.

My critiques have never been out of hate for anyone at VEI or anywhere else. Just the perspective of a 90s fan who wanted something closer to VH1 and thought VEI mostly missed the mark on what the important things were to carry over from the 90s comics.

I respect the VEI fans who are still passionate. But I'm certainly not the only vfan who would want to see a whole new direction tried, if there is another direction to be tried after Alien.

Dino and crew were able to springboard into Bad Idea where they have complete creative freedom and ownership, seems like a better deal than working on the Valiant characters again anyway.


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