Alien Books: "I told you"
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Alien Books: "I told you"
Haven't seen the news here (maybe because it's so underwhelming) so at the risk of promoting something people here should care about because of the characters but who knows if they do, I'm posting this. Also, at the risk of some Alien employee jumping down my throat to do damage control.
BRITANNIA: THE GREAT FIRE OF ROME (One shot)
LIVEWIRE & THE SECRET WEAPONS (One shot)
BLOODSHOT UNLEASHED: RELOADED (Book one of two)
Price - I told you they were going to charge this much.
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $9.99
Writers - I told you they were going back to the same old creators. Watch for Fred Vane Lent next.
Written by Peter Milligan.
Artists - I told you they were going for bargain basement names on much of the books who haven't been heard of by the most readers.
Art by Alvaro Papagiani
Cover by Agustin Alessio
Variant Cover by Nico Di Mattia
This one is worrying. They are already needing multiple artists or worse just doing short story collections.
Art by Various Artists
The art looks so mediocre at best. The taglines are tired ("where there is smoke, there is fire", come on. I hope someone was paid for that one). My guess is they are going straight by the profit and loss accounting on these books. Whatever the least number of copies they think they can sell is what the budget is made from. 1,500 copies? Okay, you can hire these guys from overseas, nobody better.
Size - I told you they were going to do this weird thing where they try and package multiple issues into one thing like ibooks did. It never works. No one wants this.
64 pages
56 pages
48 pages
And this is the launch. Where they put their best foot forward. Or should I say this is where they unleash, but also somehow :reloaded, (that name was so bad it made me laugh. Like was it thought up in Spanish and then mistranslated to English?) their best.
Let the damage control begin
BRITANNIA: THE GREAT FIRE OF ROME (One shot)
LIVEWIRE & THE SECRET WEAPONS (One shot)
BLOODSHOT UNLEASHED: RELOADED (Book one of two)
Price - I told you they were going to charge this much.
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $9.99
Writers - I told you they were going back to the same old creators. Watch for Fred Vane Lent next.
Written by Peter Milligan.
Artists - I told you they were going for bargain basement names on much of the books who haven't been heard of by the most readers.
Art by Alvaro Papagiani
Cover by Agustin Alessio
Variant Cover by Nico Di Mattia
This one is worrying. They are already needing multiple artists or worse just doing short story collections.
Art by Various Artists
The art looks so mediocre at best. The taglines are tired ("where there is smoke, there is fire", come on. I hope someone was paid for that one). My guess is they are going straight by the profit and loss accounting on these books. Whatever the least number of copies they think they can sell is what the budget is made from. 1,500 copies? Okay, you can hire these guys from overseas, nobody better.
Size - I told you they were going to do this weird thing where they try and package multiple issues into one thing like ibooks did. It never works. No one wants this.
64 pages
56 pages
48 pages
And this is the launch. Where they put their best foot forward. Or should I say this is where they unleash, but also somehow :reloaded, (that name was so bad it made me laugh. Like was it thought up in Spanish and then mistranslated to English?) their best.
Let the damage control begin
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Could syzhang have been right all along?
No. No, it is the children who were wrong.
I am having a hard time here.
No. No, it is the children who were wrong.
I am having a hard time here.
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Sincerely, thank you. It's been hard. I understand why everyone would believe someone inside Alien rather than me but its been hard being the target they need to destroy to damage control.
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Found another possible lie on facebook:
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
It can be both. Something that was pitched then but wasn't produced until now.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:25:57 pm Found another possible lie on facebook:
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
Comics are like a Rorschach test, everyone has a different opinion on what they are and can be...
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
If that was true you wouldn't say "new-new" or "story didn't exist yet." unless you were trying to cover your *SQUEE* while tricking people into thinking these are all-new from scratch (or new-new as they say)ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:35:02 pmIt can be both. Something that was pitched then but wasn't produced until now.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:25:57 pm Found another possible lie on facebook:
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
I'm pretty sure what Ward is saying is that the comic as it exists now didn't exist then, meaning lettered and colored art pages and such, which was the case with many of the other comics Alien's published, like X-O and Ninjak.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:37:45 pmIf that was true you wouldn't say "new-new" or "story didn't exist yet." unless you were trying to cover your *SQUEE* while tricking people into thinking these are all-new from scratch (or new-new as they say)ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:35:02 pmIt can be both. Something that was pitched then but wasn't produced until now.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:25:57 pm Found another possible lie on facebook:
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
This comic was clearly produced at the behest of Alien. The best way to discern that for sure is to look at the names of the artists, which you yourself disparaged as "bargain basement names who haven't been heard of by the most readers".
In the case of the artist for this comic, Alvaro Papagiani, we see that he works for Altercomics, which only became involved with VALIANT after Alien acquired the license.
https://altercomics.net/portfolio-item/ ... papagiani/
Consequently, this comic would not exist were it not for Alien Books, even if Milligan pitched it to DMG before AB acquired the license.
Comics are like a Rorschach test, everyone has a different opinion on what they are and can be...
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
While I'm pretty sure the person that lied multiple times about me and caused undue stress and pain is doing it once again.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Thanks for the support, man.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:01:31 pm Haven't seen the news here (maybe because it's so underwhelming) so at the risk of promoting something people here should care about because of the characters but who knows if they do, I'm posting this. Also, at the risk of some Alien employee jumping down my throat to do damage control.
BRITANNIA: THE GREAT FIRE OF ROME (One shot)
LIVEWIRE & THE SECRET WEAPONS (One shot)
BLOODSHOT UNLEASHED: RELOADED (Book one of two)
Price - I told you they were going to charge this much.
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $9.99
Writers - I told you they were going back to the same old creators. Watch for Fred Vane Lent next.
Written by Peter Milligan.
Artists - I told you they were going for bargain basement names on much of the books who haven't been heard of by the most readers.
Art by Alvaro Papagiani
Cover by Agustin Alessio
Variant Cover by Nico Di Mattia
This one is worrying. They are already needing multiple artists or worse just doing short story collections.
Art by Various Artists
The art looks so mediocre at best. The taglines are tired ("where there is smoke, there is fire", come on. I hope someone was paid for that one). My guess is they are going straight by the profit and loss accounting on these books. Whatever the least number of copies they think they can sell is what the budget is made from. 1,500 copies? Okay, you can hire these guys from overseas, nobody better.
Size - I told you they were going to do this weird thing where they try and package multiple issues into one thing like ibooks did. It never works. No one wants this.
64 pages
56 pages
48 pages
And this is the launch. Where they put their best foot forward. Or should I say this is where they unleash, but also somehow :reloaded, (that name was so bad it made me laugh. Like was it thought up in Spanish and then mistranslated to English?) their best.
Let the damage control begin
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Also, technically, she is saying the "story didn't exist yet." If it was a pitch of script then that statement would be a lie. If, as you are saying, she meant learring and coloring etc or even art, then "story didn't exist yet." is just not true.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:53:17 pmI'm pretty sure what Ward is saying is that the comic as it exists now didn't exist then, meaning lettered and colored art pages and such, which was the case with many of the other comics Alien's published, like X-O and Ninjak.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:37:45 pmIf that was true you wouldn't say "new-new" or "story didn't exist yet." unless you were trying to cover your *SQUEE* while tricking people into thinking these are all-new from scratch (or new-new as they say)ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:35:02 pmIt can be both. Something that was pitched then but wasn't produced until now.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:25:57 pm Found another possible lie on facebook:
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
This comic was clearly produced at the behest of Alien. The best way to discern that for sure is to look at the names of the artists, which you yourself disparaged as "bargain basement names who haven't been heard of by the most readers".
In the case of the artist for this comic, Alvaro Papagiani, we see that he works for Altercomics, which only became involved with VALIANT after Alien acquired the license.
https://altercomics.net/portfolio-item/ ... papagiani/
Consequently, this comic would not exist were it not for Alien Books, even if Milligan pitched it to DMG before AB acquired the license.
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
The comments section on facebook is littered with fans telling you that you're doing this wrong. Don't stick your head in the sand and plow forward. You still have time to get this right. If you do right by these characters I will be as big a supporter as I am a truth teller against it now.MartinAlien wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:06:19 pmThanks for the support, man.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:01:31 pm Haven't seen the news here (maybe because it's so underwhelming) so at the risk of promoting something people here should care about because of the characters but who knows if they do, I'm posting this. Also, at the risk of some Alien employee jumping down my throat to do damage control.
BRITANNIA: THE GREAT FIRE OF ROME (One shot)
LIVEWIRE & THE SECRET WEAPONS (One shot)
BLOODSHOT UNLEASHED: RELOADED (Book one of two)
Price - I told you they were going to charge this much.
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $12.99
SRP: $9.99
Writers - I told you they were going back to the same old creators. Watch for Fred Vane Lent next.
Written by Peter Milligan.
Artists - I told you they were going for bargain basement names on much of the books who haven't been heard of by the most readers.
Art by Alvaro Papagiani
Cover by Agustin Alessio
Variant Cover by Nico Di Mattia
This one is worrying. They are already needing multiple artists or worse just doing short story collections.
Art by Various Artists
The art looks so mediocre at best. The taglines are tired ("where there is smoke, there is fire", come on. I hope someone was paid for that one). My guess is they are going straight by the profit and loss accounting on these books. Whatever the least number of copies they think they can sell is what the budget is made from. 1,500 copies? Okay, you can hire these guys from overseas, nobody better.
Size - I told you they were going to do this weird thing where they try and package multiple issues into one thing like ibooks did. It never works. No one wants this.
64 pages
56 pages
48 pages
And this is the launch. Where they put their best foot forward. Or should I say this is where they unleash, but also somehow :reloaded, (that name was so bad it made me laugh. Like was it thought up in Spanish and then mistranslated to English?) their best.
Let the damage control begin
The art is not good enough. I'm sure they are nice people.
The prices are too high.
No one wants this weird format.
Do right by these characters. VEI did and were rewarded. DMG did not and were punished.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
You need to see things in context. If the art is being done by an artist that works for the studio that is producing the art for the publisher that licensed the characters from DMG, then it did not exist before that.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:08:24 pmAlso, technically, she is saying the "story didn't exist yet." If it was a pitch of script then that statement would be a lie. If, as you are saying, she meant learring and coloring etc or even art, then "story didn't exist yet." is just not true.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:53:17 pmI'm pretty sure what Ward is saying is that the comic as it exists now didn't exist then, meaning lettered and colored art pages and such, which was the case with many of the other comics Alien's published, like X-O and Ninjak.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:37:45 pmIf that was true you wouldn't say "new-new" or "story didn't exist yet." unless you were trying to cover your *SQUEE* while tricking people into thinking these are all-new from scratch (or new-new as they say)ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:35:02 pmIt can be both. Something that was pitched then but wasn't produced until now.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:25:57 pm Found another possible lie on facebook:
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
This comic was clearly produced at the behest of Alien. The best way to discern that for sure is to look at the names of the artists, which you yourself disparaged as "bargain basement names who haven't been heard of by the most readers".
In the case of the artist for this comic, Alvaro Papagiani, we see that he works for Altercomics, which only became involved with VALIANT after Alien acquired the license.
https://altercomics.net/portfolio-item/ ... papagiani/
Consequently, this comic would not exist were it not for Alien Books, even if Milligan pitched it to DMG before AB acquired the license.
The worst you can ding Ward for is calling it a story instead of a comic.
Comics are like a Rorschach test, everyone has a different opinion on what they are and can be...
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
We can agree to very strongly disagree.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:12:45 pmYou need to see things in context. If the art is being done by an artist that works for the studio that is producing the art for the publisher that licensed the characters from DMG, then it did not exist before that.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:08:24 pmAlso, technically, she is saying the "story didn't exist yet." If it was a pitch of script then that statement would be a lie. If, as you are saying, she meant learring and coloring etc or even art, then "story didn't exist yet." is just not true.ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:53:17 pmI'm pretty sure what Ward is saying is that the comic as it exists now didn't exist then, meaning lettered and colored art pages and such, which was the case with many of the other comics Alien's published, like X-O and Ninjak.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:37:45 pmIf that was true you wouldn't say "new-new" or "story didn't exist yet." unless you were trying to cover your *SQUEE* while tricking people into thinking these are all-new from scratch (or new-new as they say)ManofTheAtom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:35:02 pmIt can be both. Something that was pitched then but wasn't produced until now.syzhang28 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:25:57 pm Found another possible lie on facebook:
Josh Schwartz: Yeah, it's basically a whole mini-series in one book. I assume DMG Valiant originally intended to publish it as singles.
Danielle Ward: nope about DMG, you're seeing the new-new - story didn't exist yet.
But then:
Judah Radd: I begged Peter Milligan on twitter for this years ago
Lysa Hawkins: This WAS suppose to happen years ago...
So these are all books from DMG or at least pitches from DMG times that are being finished in Alien times and Alien is trying to pretend these are new stories they created...
This comic was clearly produced at the behest of Alien. The best way to discern that for sure is to look at the names of the artists, which you yourself disparaged as "bargain basement names who haven't been heard of by the most readers".
In the case of the artist for this comic, Alvaro Papagiani, we see that he works for Altercomics, which only became involved with VALIANT after Alien acquired the license.
https://altercomics.net/portfolio-item/ ... papagiani/
Consequently, this comic would not exist were it not for Alien Books, even if Milligan pitched it to DMG before AB acquired the license.
The worst you can ding Ward for is calling it a story instead of a comic.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Bloodshot unleashed reloaded IS a ridiculous title.
I AM already tired of the varying prices and page counts.
I AM already tired of the varying prices and page counts.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Britannia was a series i really enjoyed at the time and even if it isn't a 'new story', i really look forward to it being released. I'm happy that they're trying to release more monthly books than recently - hopefully the quality will improve with time.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
I look forward to giving the books a shot. I look forward to the next set of material that will be fully under Alien editorial control. We've had some stinkers before, but maybe if folks buy the format and books we'll see better and better talent in the future.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
syzhang28, you seem invested in being angry about books you haven't had the opportunity to read or judge yet.
VEI - I look forward to you one day publishing MORE than 9-10 books per month
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But is he wrong?leonmallett wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:27:57 am syzhang28, you seem invested in being angry about books you haven't had the opportunity to read or judge yet.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Until the books are printed, then in reader hands, and people then know what they are paying for how many pages, and ultimately what they think of the content, then he is neither right nor wrong, simply angry.Chiclo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:17:38 amBut is he wrong?leonmallett wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:27:57 am syzhang28, you seem invested in being angry about books you haven't had the opportunity to read or judge yet.
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The world makes sense again.leonmallett wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:03:05 pmUntil the books are printed, then in reader hands, and people then know what they are paying for how many pages, and ultimately what they think of the content, then he is neither right nor wrong, simply angry.Chiclo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:17:38 amBut is he wrong?leonmallett wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:27:57 am syzhang28, you seem invested in being angry about books you haven't had the opportunity to read or judge yet.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
I’m very much looking forward to giving Alien a shot. I do hope the stories and art are of strong quality. That will be the decider as the bar has been set high from the 2012 VEI days.
For me, I totally welcome the longer prestige formats. I’d love to move away from floppies. Like the idea of reading more content in one go round. And better chance that my son will read these longer, contained stories in this cool format.
Also, I appreciate @MartinAlien and Danielle being on these boards as they prepare for launch. More than we got in the past. Makes me feel like we have a potential avenue for constructive dialog on what the fan base is interested in that could help get the fans back in the long term.
As for me, Alien team, I truly hope your creative teams emerse themselves in the 2012-2018 run of books from all the previous great artists and writers. I’d love to finally see some continuity with the valiant books that brought me back to collecting after a long hiatus. Plan out stories 12-18 months in advance…have a master plan with Valiant universe and let's get those annual cross-overs back.
I hope many others on this board will give them a shot too and let the quality of the books be the ultimate decision maker on our support.
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For me, I totally welcome the longer prestige formats. I’d love to move away from floppies. Like the idea of reading more content in one go round. And better chance that my son will read these longer, contained stories in this cool format.
Also, I appreciate @MartinAlien and Danielle being on these boards as they prepare for launch. More than we got in the past. Makes me feel like we have a potential avenue for constructive dialog on what the fan base is interested in that could help get the fans back in the long term.
As for me, Alien team, I truly hope your creative teams emerse themselves in the 2012-2018 run of books from all the previous great artists and writers. I’d love to finally see some continuity with the valiant books that brought me back to collecting after a long hiatus. Plan out stories 12-18 months in advance…have a master plan with Valiant universe and let's get those annual cross-overs back.
I hope many others on this board will give them a shot too and let the quality of the books be the ultimate decision maker on our support.
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Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
The quality difference is sizable between Alien and Bad Idea, who just might be making the best comics right now.Ize wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:41:39 am Britannia was a series i really enjoyed at the time and even if it isn't a 'new story', i really look forward to it being released. I'm happy that they're trying to release more monthly books than recently - hopefully the quality will improve with time.
After purchasing Hero Trade 2, Megalith 0 and Save Now 0 from Bad Idea for £32 each plus delivery for an 8 page comic, one won't complain about price / page count
Re: Alien Books:
I think it's rinky dink and (the way they attack fans with dissenting views) unprofessional. You didn't see Dinesh posting here much during VEI, you don't see the heads of Marvel or DC posting in message boards often. You don't see heads of movie companies or video game studios posting either. There's a reason for that.aj583 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:00:23 pm
Also, I appreciate @MartinAlien and Danielle being on these boards as they prepare for launch. More than we got in the past. Makes me feel like we have a potential avenue for constructive dialog on what the fan base is interested in that could help get the fans back in the long term.
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
Past is prologue. These books will be just as bad as the other DMG and just as bad as the other Alien books. Especially now that we see the scattershot approach, the low rent creators and the lack of attention to quality have persisted. You can disagree with me but it's just another 'I told you so' post from me in the making...leonmallett wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:03:05 pmUntil the books are printed, then in reader hands, and people then know what they are paying for how many pages, and ultimately what they think of the content, then he is neither right nor wrong, simply angry.Chiclo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:17:38 amBut is he wrong?leonmallett wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:27:57 am syzhang28, you seem invested in being angry about books you haven't had the opportunity to read or judge yet.
Re: Alien Books: "I told you"
QFTChiclo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:17:38 amBut is he wrong?leonmallett wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:27:57 am syzhang28, you seem invested in being angry about books you haven't had the opportunity to read or judge yet.