VALIANT In Other Media

[ManofTheAtom]

What movies and TV series (animated and live action) would you like to see, and from which studio?

Let us hypothetically say that Paramount, which, arguably, has found success with the Transformers franchise, decided to expand their license with VALIANT beyond Faith to launch a shared cinematic universe across film and TV.

What should they start with? A film or a TV series?

Which characters would it make sense to see lead their own movie once every two years or so and which ones should lead their own eight-10 episode-a-year streaming series?

Arguably, X-O Manowar might work best as a film series than as a streaming series. The disadvantage with TV is that the longer they are on, the lower the budget gets, whereas, in success, a film's budget can increase from film to film.

Likewise, Eternal Warrior could lead his own series. If not him, then Timewalker.

Fantasy like Rings of Power, Game of Thrones, Wheel of Time, etc. and science fiction like The Expanse, Foundation, etc. has done well on cable and streaming, and that can work for the advantage of either EW or TW.

What else comes to mind?

[Ryan]

Good choices. I think streaming series are the way to go. Cheaper to produce and more suitable to serialized storytelling.

I agree X-O feels more like a movie.

Would love to see Bloodshot as a series. But closer to the VH1 version, where he's just a super martial artist with a healing factor and no memory. It wouldn't need more vfx than a typical action series.

Archer & Armstrong and Harbinger could both work as series as well.

Honestly I don't think Valiant should be trying to compete with the big boys doing big budget movies and AAA games. They should be the scrappy indy that does better work due to writing, dedication, and passion. They seem obsessed with production values and trying to look like the big boys.

I look at something like Chronicle (2012), made for 15 million then grossed 126 mil. It didn't have the budget to compete with The Avengers, so it had to be smarter and more interesting. Writing and passion, done because the creators love the genre, not because they're trying to make a million bucks. They weren't seeing superhero comics and movies as the next big moneymaking scheme, they just wanted to tell the story for the love of it. That's what VALIANT needs more than anything.

[ManofTheAtom]

Good choices. I think streaming series are the way to go. Cheaper to produce and more suitable to serialized storytelling.

I agree X-O feels more like a movie.

Would love to see Bloodshot as a series. But closer to the VH1 version, where he's just a super martial artist with a healing factor and no memory. It wouldn't need more vfx than a typical action series.

Archer & Armstrong and Harbinger could both work as series as well.

Honestly I don't think Valiant should be trying to compete with the big boys doing big budget movies and AAA games. They should be the scrappy indy that does better work due to writing, dedication, and passion. They seem obsessed with production values and trying to look like the big boys.

I look at something like Chronicle (2012), made for 15 million then grossed 126 mil. It didn't have the budget to compete with The Avengers, so it had to be smarter and more interesting. Writing and passion, done because the creators love the genre, not because they're trying to make a million bucks. They weren't seeing superhero comics and movies as the next big moneymaking scheme, they just wanted to tell the story for the love of it. That's what VALIANT needs more than anything.

Indeed.

[Ryan]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

[ManofTheAtom]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

[Ryan]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

Definitely, anime would be the easiest way to do far future sci-fi. I don't watch much, so I don't know any similar examples, but I'm sure there's many.

[ManofTheAtom]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

Definitely, anime would be the easiest way to do far future sci-fi. I don't watch much, so I don't know any similar examples, but I'm sure there's many.

Definitely.

[Chiclo]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

That makes the most sense, Rai as a cartoon. Like one of those DC cartoons or the new Babylon 5 cartoon.

[ManofTheAtom]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

That makes the most sense, Rai as a cartoon. Like one of those DC cartoons or the new Babylon 5 cartoon.

Absolutely. I prefer the one used in the DC movies over the one used in Babylon 5, but either works.

[Ryan]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

That makes the most sense, Rai as a cartoon. Like one of those DC cartoons or the new Babylon 5 cartoon.

Absolutely. I prefer the one used in the DC movies over the one used in Babylon 5, but either works.

Netflix's Super Crooks is a Japanese Anime adaptation of an American comic (by Mark Millar). Amazon Prime Invincible is popular. Lots of good recent examples.

[ManofTheAtom]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

That makes the most sense, Rai as a cartoon. Like one of those DC cartoons or the new Babylon 5 cartoon.

Absolutely. I prefer the one used in the DC movies over the one used in Babylon 5, but either works.

Netflix's Super Crooks is a Japanese Anime adaptation of an American comic (by Mark Millar). Amazon Prime Invincible is popular. Lots of good recent examples.

I skipped Super Crooks, but Invincible has been great.

Masters of The Universe: Revelation, Castlevania, and Dragon's Dogma on Netflix and The Legend of Vox Machina on Prime Video are four other good ones.

[Ryan]

Rai could be cool as a series, live action or animated. Live action would be more VFX heavy like Expanse, Foundation, Altered Carbon.

But which version of Rai?

I tried but can't get into VEI's Rais. Malev War Rai is alright, but more of a team book dependent on the Malev War. Pre-Unity Rai by Michelinie is the weakest pre-Unity IMO. The world has potential but it's a bit boring and feels too orientalist (just using cliche, surface aspects of Asian culture). The best Rai to me is Magnus flip-book Rai. I always wanted to see more about the lineage and the Rai power.

This is one of the problems with adapting the Valiant properties, there isn't usually one definitive version or storyline that is ready-made for a tv series. Like for example The Boys, all the elements and foundation for a good tv series are all there in the comic. Just needed some good writers to tweak things.

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

That makes the most sense, Rai as a cartoon. Like one of those DC cartoons or the new Babylon 5 cartoon.

Absolutely. I prefer the one used in the DC movies over the one used in Babylon 5, but either works.

Netflix's Super Crooks is a Japanese Anime adaptation of an American comic (by Mark Millar). Amazon Prime Invincible is popular. Lots of good recent examples.

I skipped Super Crooks, but Invincible has been great.

Masters of The Universe: Revelation, Castlevania, and Dragon's Dogma on Netflix and The Legend of Vox Machina on Prime Video are four other good ones.

Nice, good to know.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'd be okay with an animated series based on the VEI Rai. I think it can work really well. It should be an anime.

That makes the most sense, Rai as a cartoon. Like one of those DC cartoons or the new Babylon 5 cartoon.

Absolutely. I prefer the one used in the DC movies over the one used in Babylon 5, but either works.

Netflix's Super Crooks is a Japanese Anime adaptation of an American comic (by Mark Millar). Amazon Prime Invincible is popular. Lots of good recent examples.

I skipped Super Crooks, but Invincible has been great.

Masters of The Universe: Revelation, Castlevania, and Dragon's Dogma on Netflix and The Legend of Vox Machina on Prime Video are four other good ones.

Nice, good to know.

[TronNerd82]

I'd like to see a Shadowman animated series for mature audiences. I think that'd be cool.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'd like to see a Shadowman animated series for mature audiences. I think that'd be cool.

No doubt. Animation may be better, though live-action would be preferable for me. Master Darque in live-action would be great.

The first season of Interview with The Vampire shows what a Maxim St. James flashback could look like. Something with those production values would be great.

[Ryan]

I'd like to see a Shadowman animated series for mature audiences. I think that'd be cool.

No doubt. Animation may be better, though live-action would be preferable for me. Master Darque in live-action would be great.

The first season of Interview with The Vampire shows what a Maxim St. James flashback could look like. Something with those production values would be great.

Both of those would be awesome!

[ManofTheAtom]

I'd like to see a Shadowman animated series for mature audiences. I think that'd be cool.

No doubt. Animation may be better, though live-action would be preferable for me. Master Darque in live-action would be great.

The first season of Interview with The Vampire shows what a Maxim St. James flashback could look like. Something with those production values would be great.

Both of those would be awesome!

Yeah.