Cracking a VEI slab to get pressed for higher grade..Report?

[Juki]

If you crack a slab for resubmission to get a comic pressed and re-graded in hopes of a higher grade... Do you report to CGC that you have opened the slabbed-case of the book so they can remove it from their records? What is the correct way to handle this?

Do you send it in the existing slab and let them open it?

Do you open it; get it regraded... and then alert them?

If you open the book they have no way of knowing it was graded previously (which may or may not help the cause of resubmitting).

It just seems as though the census numbers could be thrown off especially for more limited variants if this happens a few times for a specific issue and it is not reported.

Any thoughts on this ????

[corey]

I've always wondered the same thing. ..

Gl on your resubmit

[greg]

If you crack a slab for resubmission to get a comic pressed and re-graded in hopes of a higher grade... Do you report to CGC that you have opened the slabbed-case of the book so they can remove it from their records? What is the correct way to handle this?

Do you send it in the existing slab and let them open it?

Do you open it; get it regraded... and then alert them?

If you open the book they have no way of knowing it was graded previously (which may or may not help the cause of resubmitting).

It just seems as though the census numbers could be thrown off especially for more limited variants if this happens a few times for a specific issue and it is not reported.

Any thoughts on this ????

You can get CGC to adjust the census by sending them the label. That's either before or after you have the book regraded. If you want to keep the original label at home, that's up to you. It's also up to you whether to send the book still in the slab. The CGC people who open shipments and get the books ready for grading aren't the graders. They put the books into identical plain holders and assign a barcode before grading. The graders don't see what the old grade was. https://www.cgccomics.com/grading-scale/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While the CGC Census numbers can (and do) get thrown off by regrades (when they don't know they've already graded a book before), the census is always "too high". If the CGC Census says 5 copies are CGC 9.8 and 10 copies are CGC 9.6, but one of those CGC 9.6 actually got regraded and became a CGC 9.8, then the actual numbers are 5 CGC 9.8 and 9 CGC 9.6. As a result, it might be possible to say "all the people who regrade their books are messing up the CGC Census", it doesn't mean the census is useless (as I have seen some people imply elsewhere). It means there may actually be fewer graded copies.

If some book only has 3 graded copies at CGC 9.6, and no 9.8s, there's a chance that there are really only 2 CGC 9.6... and someone tried to get a CGC 9.8 on a regrade and failed. It's also possible that there is only 1 copy at CGC 9.6, and someone failed to get a CGC 9.8 twice using regrade. But it can't mean that there are 4 copies at CGC 9.6... it's either 1, 2, or 3... and if there's one for sale... you might not get another chance.

CBCS was founded by the same guy who founded CGC, so I assume they have the same grading process and the same possibility of census errors (always too high). They haven't published their CBCS Census yet, but when they do, there's a chance that regrades already made some of the numbers too high versus what is actually available in the market.

[Juki]

If you crack a slab for resubmission to get a comic pressed and re-graded in hopes of a higher grade... Do you report to CGC that you have opened the slabbed-case of the book so they can remove it from their records? What is the correct way to handle this?

Do you send it in the existing slab and let them open it?

Do you open it; get it regraded... and then alert them?

If you open the book they have no way of knowing it was graded previously (which may or may not help the cause of resubmitting).

It just seems as though the census numbers could be thrown off especially for more limited variants if this happens a few times for a specific issue and it is not reported.

Any thoughts on this ????

You can get CGC to adjust the census by sending them the label. That's either before or after you have the book regraded. If you want to keep the original label at home, that's up to you. It's also up to you whether to send the book still in the slab. The CGC people who open shipments and get the books ready for grading aren't the graders. They put the books into identical plain holders and assign a barcode before grading. The graders don't see what the old grade was. https://www.cgccomics.com/grading-scale/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While the CGC Census numbers can (and do) get thrown off by regrades (when they don't know they've already graded a book before), the census is always "too high". If the CGC Census says 5 copies are CGC 9.8 and 10 copies are CGC 9.6, but one of those CGC 9.6 actually got regraded and became a CGC 9.8, then the actual numbers are 5 CGC 9.8 and 9 CGC 9.6. As a result, it might be possible to say "all the people who regrade their books are messing up the CGC Census", it doesn't mean the census is useless (as I have seen some people imply elsewhere). It means there may actually be fewer graded copies.

If some book only has 3 graded copies at CGC 9.6, and no 9.8s, there's a chance that there are really only 2 CGC 9.6... and someone tried to get a CGC 9.8 on a regrade and failed. It's also possible that there is only 1 copy at CGC 9.6, and someone failed to get a CGC 9.8 twice using regrade. But it can't mean that there are 4 copies at CGC 9.6... it's either 1, 2, or 3... and if there's one for sale... you might not get another chance.

CBCS was founded by the same guy who founded CGC, so I assume they have the same grading process and the same possibility of census errors (always too high). They haven't published their CBCS Census yet, but when they do, there's a chance that regrades already made some of the numbers too high versus what is actually available in the market.

[Juki]

If you crack a slab for resubmission to get a comic pressed and re-graded in hopes of a higher grade... Do you report to CGC that you have opened the slabbed-case of the book so they can remove it from their records? What is the correct way to handle this?

Do you send it in the existing slab and let them open it?

Do you open it; get it regraded... and then alert them?

If you open the book they have no way of knowing it was graded previously (which may or may not help the cause of resubmitting).

It just seems as though the census numbers could be thrown off especially for more limited variants if this happens a few times for a specific issue and it is not reported.

Any thoughts on this ????

You can get CGC to adjust the census by sending them the label. That's either before or after you have the book regraded. If you want to keep the original label at home, that's up to you. It's also up to you whether to send the book still in the slab. The CGC people who open shipments and get the books ready for grading aren't the graders. They put the books into identical plain holders and assign a barcode before grading. The graders don't see what the old grade was. https://www.cgccomics.com/grading-scale/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While the CGC Census numbers can (and do) get thrown off by regrades (when they don't know they've already graded a book before), the census is always "too high". If the CGC Census says 5 copies are CGC 9.8 and 10 copies are CGC 9.6, but one of those CGC 9.6 actually got regraded and became a CGC 9.8, then the actual numbers are 5 CGC 9.8 and 9 CGC 9.6. As a result, it might be possible to say "all the people who regrade their books are messing up the CGC Census", it doesn't mean the census is useless (as I have seen some people imply elsewhere). It means there may actually be fewer graded copies.

If some book only has 3 graded copies at CGC 9.6, and no 9.8s, there's a chance that there are really only 2 CGC 9.6... and someone tried to get a CGC 9.8 on a regrade and failed. It's also possible that there is only 1 copy at CGC 9.6, and someone failed to get a CGC 9.8 twice using regrade. But it can't mean that there are 4 copies at CGC 9.6... it's either 1, 2, or 3... and if there's one for sale... you might not get another chance.

CBCS was founded by the same guy who founded CGC, so I assume they have the same grading process and the same possibility of census errors (always too high). They haven't published their CBCS Census yet, but when they do, there's a chance that regrades already made some of the numbers too high versus what is actually available in the market.

[Juki]

Thanks Greg. I did not realize that the comic was removed from the slab before it reached the hands of the graders. That makes much more sense.