So, my BoD fear...

[Keith]

... is that we are going to see the end play out where the future being shown in the Book of the Geomancer is altered because of some heroic action on Gilad's and/or Tama's part. As a result, all the future glimpses we've seen will be fluid/changeable, rather than the one timeline for the Valiant Universe like we saw in Rai #0.

It just seems to me that there are two separate timelines being shown... the Master Darque Apocalypse shown in the main BoD series, and the non-Darque timeline seen in the various Fall of's.

Also, wouldn't that basically contradict everything Timewalker has been telling us? That you can't travel to the past (a la Tama) and change events due to Hawking's Chronal Protection aka Neela's experience?

Someone talk me down off the ledge here.

[jeremycoe]

Ivar has been known to lie. I think the whole point of sending Tama back was to change the future. I'm not sure whether it will work or not. I guess we'll find out in 6 days

[greg]

Someone talk me down off the ledge here.

Since the Null are successfully erasing alternate realities (alternities) as a result of the far future events in Ivar, then storylines already are being altered back to the beginning of time.

Changes in the middle of a timeline aren't as ledge-worthy as the complete elimination of multiple entire timelines... but we're rolling with it... Dinosaur Caesar and all.

[Brapbrap]

Also, wouldn't that basically contradict everything Timewalker has been telling us? That you can't travel to the past (a la Tama) and change events due to Hawking's Chronal Protection aka Neela's experience?

no, you can't break chronological protection if you go through a time arc but Tama traveled back in time with the boon.

i think the darque thing is just a bad future that is going to be averted in this series

[Keith]

I think it might be my fault for going into BoD with the hopes that this would be the Rai 0 of the New Valiant, and everything we've read will chart the course of Valiant for years to come. V-Dittis comments about being a checklist of upcoming stuff didn't help. Now, I don't see how that could work. The conflict with Master Darque is begging for ye olde "Back to the Future" fix.

I could be wrong. Guess we'll in a few days time.

[Dallow Spicer1]

I think it might be my fault for going into BoD with the hopes that this would be the Rai 0 of the New Valiant, and everything we've read will chart the course of Valiant for years to come. V-Dittis comments about being a checklist of upcoming stuff didn't help. Now, I don't see how that could work. The conflict with Master Darque is begging for ye olde "Back to the Future" fix.

I could be wrong. Guess we'll in a few days time.

As much as I've enjoyed the 'Fall Of' books I almost hope they don't become the future as its revealed a hell of a lot about most characters in the VEI which means no more deaths of big characters (ala Flemingo) any time soon?

However, at the same time I wouldn't be over the moon if VEI have misled the readers as this event was sold on a Rai #0 style glimpse of the future!

They're clever guys though so I trust them to make it turn out right.

[jmatt]

They're clever guys though so I trust them to make it turn out right.

I think it could be a case where as it stands now, all of the forces and characters are in place to make this the most likely future... but not an iron clad destiny. That would be an interesting twist.

[tiredofmyself]

Wasn't Fall of Harby saying that all may or may not happen, and they may differ a lot, or only a bit?

Basically they chart a rough course, and reserved the right to change it whenever they want, however they like.

I think this is the clever thing to do, because somethings can't be certain, like creators suddenly lost interest, or something just didn't work with readers etc.

And you know what, from what I gathered, most of this setup could be reached around two years of real time storytelling, especially that they can time jump in storytelling (think Rai, Eternal Emperor etc).

[BugsySig]

Other than time travel stories with Ivar or 4001 books, what are the chances we ever see the current Ninjak, XO, Bloodshot or Harbinger characters aged in their own titles to the level of these books? I'd say zero.

Now it does create some interesting backstory for the 4001 world, but even that is so much farther along than any time period we've seen in these issues (still over 1800 years) that it's unlikely we even see a direct influence by them.

So even if a new writer wanted to take a character in a totally different direction, it would likely have no baring on the BoD/Fall of futures.

[jmatt]

So even if a new writer wanted to take a character in a totally different direction, it would likely have no baring on the BoD/Fall of futures.

Agree. There's pleeeeenty of time between now and then.