Shooter's new comic universe...

[TimeWillTell]

Just for the record... James Perham had no authority to change anything with respect to Unity 2000, nor did he have any authority to create a VH3 universe.

-TWT

-TWT

[ManofTheAtom]

Just for the record... James Perham had no authority to change anything with respect to Unity 2000, nor did he have any authority to create a VH3 universe.

-TWT

-TWT

But that's what he was going to do. The Dr Mirage and Bloodshot projects were neither VH 1 or VH 2, they were a completely different thing altogether. Just look at his Master Darque and compare him to the version that survives U2K. Sonicdan has a scan of it from Wizard that I sent to him.

How can it be that the VH 2 version survived U2K but the version that was going to appear in the Dr Mirage one shot was completely different?

Anthony K., who posted here as BloodofHeroes, shared all this information both here and on the old VALIANT mailing list. He even has scans of the Dr Mirage and Bloodshot reboots up on his webpage.

He mentioned many times that Perlham was going to ignore the ending of U2K and go in a completely different direction, and Perlham himself aknowledged this to me over in Usenet many years ago.

Acclaim Comics has published two volumes of Bloodshot. The last time we saw either nanite-enhanced warrior was in Unity 2000, the not-yet-completed miniseries by Jim Shooter and Jim Starlin. During U2K's run, however, rumors began about a "VH-3," another version of the Acclaim Universe Valiant Heroes. James Perham admitted as much to yours truly at the Wizard World 2000 Convention, mentioning that characters slated for an overhaul included Dr. Mirage, Magnus, Robot Fighter, Harbinger, and Bloodshot. I, for one, couldn't wait to see the new Bloodshot. And then, Acclaim Entertainment, the parent corporation, announced that Acclaim would no longer publish comics. We've heard that before, and I think good business sense would dictate keeping these trademarks and copyrights alive, so let's not rule out Bloodshot, Volume 3 quite yet, all right? Especially after you see the artwork by the V3 penciler: Pat Quinn. I was fortunate to eventually force his name from a source who shall remain anonymous, and am I ever glad I did. Read on to get a little insight into the new Bloodshot and the amazing artist behind the dynamic new look. Please keep in mind that this is the first appearance of the new Bloodshot, anywhere. Thanks to Pat for his willingness to share his work with us and for his talent.

http://www.geocities.com/angelo_mortall ... quinn.html

[ManofTheAtom]

THE SECOND LIFE OF DOCTOR MIRAGE VOLUME 2 #1
by Perham, Jadson, & Lyle
When her hushand dies under mysterious circumstances on an archeological expedition, socialite Carmen Mirage decides to do a little digging of her own to find out what really happened. What she uncovers comes like a bolt from the blue: her husband Hwen led a secret second life—as the most powerful sorcerer on Earth. It quickly becomes apparent that the dark forces Hwen battled against finalIy caught up with him... and now they're after Carmen! Can she survive this evil onslaught and prevent her hushand's legacy from falling into the wrong hands?
Cover by Steven Butler and Buzz Setzer.
FC, 48pg $3.95

scheduled for 12/2000

http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/ne ... s-vh-2.asp

[TimeWillTell]

James Perham had no authority to say what he said at Wizard World. There were no plans to publish a VH3 universe at that time. Nothing he talked about doing ever saw the light of day, nor was it ever going to.

Please take my word on this one MOTA.

-TWT

[ManofTheAtom]

James Perham had no authority to say what he said at Wizard World. There were no plans to publish a VH3 universe at that time. Nothing he talked about doing ever saw the light of day, nor was it ever going to.

Please take my word on this one MOTA.

-TWT

That's different than what I'm talking about, heh.

It clearly didn't come out, but he was working on it, which is my point.

He hired pencillers and writers for it, he developed artwork and concepts for it, etc.

[TimeWillTell]

That's different than what I'm talking about, heh.

It clearly didn't come out, but he was working on it, which is my point.

He hired pencillers and writers for it, he developed artwork and concepts for it, etc.

This is correct. However, he has doing this without the authority of Acclaim. When the powers that be found out about this, the project(s) were stopped.

-TWT

[Todd Luck]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=95501

Makes you wonder how many projects like that crash and burn before they even get publically mentioned.

That interview made my day. I never forget why I miss Shooter as a comic talent but interviews like that one really drive home what made Shooter great. He absolutely nailed what the comic industry is like right how and the appeal of uncynical heroism. He can take somebody else's concepts that I wouldn't give the time of day to like Crush-O and turn them into something I would love to death if it had come out (just hearing him talk about the book completely sold me on the concept). That's a damn shame none of it saw the light of day. I just hope Shooter was paid handsomely for going through all 600(!) of this guy's concepts (what was it, every character he'd thought up since Kindergarten?)

[Second_Death]

Face it... Shooter rocks (IMO).

Amen.

Even a hint of a return to comics by Jim is enough to make my day. Its a shame this project didn't launch.

[Knightt]

Face it... Shooter rocks (IMO).

Amen.

Even a hint of a return to comics by Jim is enough to make my day. Its a shame this project didn't launch.

Roger that...

[Elveen]

Face it... Shooter rocks (IMO).

Amen.

Even a hint of a return to comics by Jim is enough to make my day. Its a shame this project didn't launch.

I concur......

[BrianT]

This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.

[ManofTheAtom]

This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.

Heh. Someone was bound to notice that, heh.

[Heath]

Thanks for pointing out the interview! While the concepts discussed really didn't interest me, I would have still bought them on Shooter's involvement alone. Regardless of "concept", he's a master storyteller. For him, the concept isn't the story itself. Just take his example with Harbinger toward the end of the interview.

(Note: This is an edit of my original post which I regretted after further thought. It was a cheap shot and to those who saw it, I apologize.)

[jedimarley]

This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.

So they are doing something.

[Todd Luck]

This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.

The same thing?

Like crashing and burning without ever producing anything?

[BrianT]

This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.

The same thing?

Like crashing and burning without ever producing anything?

I was referring to the development, not the failure to launch. They were able to develop concepts, plan initial titles, bring in talent, etc. All without it being broadcasted throughout the comics media.

[Heath]

This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.

The same thing?

Like crashing and burning without ever producing anything?

I was referring to the development, not the failure to launch. They were able to develop concepts, plan initial titles, bring in talent, etc. All without it being broadcasted throughout the comics media.

Yep. Shooter was involved with the launch (failed though it was) of a new company. And nobody knew until 2 years after the fact. Further evidence that the lack of information doesn't mean there is no plan.

[Knightt]

Honestly, I dont even know WHY we discuss this whole 'new owners' thing. It is just a revolving circle filled with mostly opinions and back and forth information (or lack of).

Lets just wait for something to happen... or to never happen THEN rip it to shreds (or enjoy it).

Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ? I dunno but this one goes right back to square one every time.

[Heath]

Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ? I dunno but this one goes right back to square one every time.

How about this... The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, Roman, nor an empire. Discuss.

[Elveen]

Just like the whole VIP thing.... you wanna know who knows for sure who VIP is ? VIP... and until it is disclosed, all this is, is time consuming banter. Is there a better topic ? I dunno but this one goes right back to square one every time.

How about this... The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, Roman, nor an empire. Discuss.

[Heath]

[Elveen]

..... I'm off my game...... deep in Christmas break..... I think it's all the cookies and Sees' candy..... the sugar is eating my brain........


HOW COULD I HAVE POSTED THE CHURCH LADY


even when I was posting it..... I paused..... something was not right...... but I knew SNL...... but.....

[BrianT]

This just goes to show how much development of a comic line can be done without details getting released or leaked to the Internet or other comics media. VEI could be doing the same thing right now and we'd never know until they're ready for us to know.

The same thing?

Like crashing and burning without ever producing anything?

I was referring to the development, not the failure to launch. They were able to develop concepts, plan initial titles, bring in talent, etc. All without it being broadcasted throughout the comics media.

Yep. Shooter was involved with the launch (failed though it was) of a new company. And nobody knew until 2 years after the fact. Further evidence that the lack of information doesn't mean there is no plan.

Exactly.

[Knightt]

See ?

[ManofTheAtom]

..... I'm off my game...... deep in Christmas break..... I think it's all the cookies and Sees' candy..... the sugar is eating my brain........


HOW COULD I HAVE POSTED THE CHURCH LADY


even when I was posting it..... I paused..... something was not right...... but I knew SNL...... but.....

Well, isn't that special?