Origin of Harada - discussion

myron · Post by **myron** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:20 pm

Pretty sure Fusion is a "real" science...there's been billions if not trillions of dollars pumped into r and d for cold fusion and working fusion reactors...we're just not there yet.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:21 pm

cjv wrote:Phil states he is working on fusion.

You can't get around it.

As Hobo states, there is lots of wiggle room with the phrase "research prototype" but it is still fusion energy, via a fusion reactor.

And if that doesn't work with "real science"...well...it's a comic book!

Chris

Since Dr Solar hasn't bothered to find those quotes, I went over the comic.

Yeah, they call it a fusion reactor.

Does the stuff Chiclo agreed with that make it an anti-matter reactor apply to a fusion reactor as well?

TimeWillTell · Post by **TimeWillTell** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:57 pm

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:30 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:Since Dr Solar hasn't bothered to find those quotes, I went over the comic.

Yeah, they call it a fusion reactor.

Does the stuff Chiclo agreed with that make it an anti-matter reactor apply to a fusion reactor as well?

Cool. I didn't get home from work till 9~9:30 tonight.

Did you read all the way through Solar 4? There is some interesting stuff in the issues that you will like that pertain to this messed up thread.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:23 am

Dr. Solar wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Since Dr Solar hasn't bothered to find those quotes, I went over the comic.

Yeah, they call it a fusion reactor.

Does the stuff Chiclo agreed with that make it an anti-matter reactor apply to a fusion reactor as well?
Cool. I didn't get home from work till 9~9:30 tonight.

Did you read all the way through Solar 4? There is some interesting stuff in the issues that you will like that pertain to this messed up thread.

There was no need, I saw two references to Fusion reactor and that was all that was needed.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:24 am

myron wrote:Pretty sure Fusion is a "real" science...there's been billions if not trillions of dollars pumped into r and d for cold fusion and working fusion reactors...we're just not there yet.

Too bad that it turned out to be a fusion reactor. Anti-matter sounded more consistant with what was in A&O and more likely to have been what transformed him.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:59 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:
cjv wrote:Phil states he is working on fusion.

You can't get around it.

As Hobo states, there is lots of wiggle room with the phrase "research prototype" but it is still fusion energy, via a fusion reactor.

And if that doesn't work with "real science"...well...it's a comic book!

Chris
Since Dr Solar hasn't bothered to find those quotes, I went over the comic.

Yeah, they call it a fusion reactor.

Does the stuff Chiclo agreed with that make it an anti-matter reactor apply to a fusion reactor as well?

I don't see any reason why it would not be possible to fuse anti-matter.

It's probably more impractical than *SQUEE* on a boar hog that's installing a screen door on a submarine. On the moon.

Seriously, that would be one of those things that you'd do just to say that you could.

cjv · Post by **cjv** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:54 am

myron wrote:Pretty sure Fusion is a "real" science...there's been billions if not trillions of dollars pumped into r and d for cold fusion and working fusion reactors...we're just not there yet.

Absolutely,

but if I recall correctly (and please let me know if I am wrong), the idea that a fusion reactor "meshed" with the various aspects of the explosion/meltdown were dismissed. IE, commenting on the magenetic pumps (or whatever they were) didn't mesh with a fusion reactor - in real life. I beleive that was what had prompted the whole discussion of what kind of reactor it was.

Now this is a comic book, so it doesn't have to mesh 100% (although it should be noted that Shooter generally did a pretty good job of trying to stick as close to real world as possible). In addition, throw in the idea that it was a "research prototype" and you could end up with any possible explanation that includes a fusion reactor.

But, like I said, perhaps I am remembering the discussion incorrectly, and it the idea of a fusion reactor wasn't dismissed.

Chris

cjv · Post by **cjv** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:56 am

Chiclo wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
cjv wrote:Phil states he is working on fusion.

You can't get around it.

As Hobo states, there is lots of wiggle room with the phrase "research prototype" but it is still fusion energy, via a fusion reactor.

And if that doesn't work with "real science"...well...it's a comic book!

Chris
Since Dr Solar hasn't bothered to find those quotes, I went over the comic.

Yeah, they call it a fusion reactor.

Does the stuff Chiclo agreed with that make it an anti-matter reactor apply to a fusion reactor as well?
I don't see any reason why it would not be possible to fuse anti-matter.

It's probably more impractical than *SQUEE* on a boar hog that's installing a screen door on a submarine. On the moon.

Seriously, that would be one of those things that you'd do just to say that you could.

An anti-matter fusion reactor. Cool.

Chris

cjv · Post by **cjv** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:58 am

TimeWillTell wrote:sad.

Well, the Red Sox were winning, my wife was putting my daughter to bed so I couldn't help with that, nor could I go play Champions of Noraath with her since she was budy, I had given up for the day on making "major revisions" on a paper that I had submitted for publications, and it was raining so I couldn't go smoke a cigar. I was pretty much out of options other than respond to this thread.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:06 am

cjv wrote:
myron wrote:Pretty sure Fusion is a "real" science...there's been billions if not trillions of dollars pumped into r and d for cold fusion and working fusion reactors...we're just not there yet.
Absolutely,

but if I recall correctly (and please let me know if I am wrong), the idea that a fusion reactor "meshed" with the various aspects of the explosion/meltdown were dismissed. IE, commenting on the magenetic pumps (or whatever they were) didn't mesh with a fusion reactor - in real life. I beleive that was what had prompted the whole discussion of what kind of reactor it was.

Now this is a comic book, so it doesn't have to mesh 100% (although it should be noted that Shooter generally did a pretty good job of trying to stick as close to real world as possible). In addition, throw in the idea that it was a "research prototype" and you could end up with any possible explanation that includes a fusion reactor.

But, like I said, perhaps I am remembering the discussion incorrectly, and it the idea of a fusion reactor wasn't dismissed.

Chris

The idea was to find out what kind of reactor it was using the dialogue from A&O (i.e. magnetic bottle into a cup, anti-proton pumps, etc).

If those things fit, it could have been a churro-powered reactor.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:03 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:There was no need, I saw two references to Fusion reactor and that was all that was needed.

That's too bad, since it talked about what the "anti-proton pumps" did in Solar 4, as well as a few other aspects of the reactor.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:58 am

It is interesting to note that half of the conversation in this thread would have not been necessary if we had just read the comics.

A good note for future reference.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:07 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:It is interesting to note that half of the conversation in this thread would have not been necessary if we had just read the comics.

A good note for future reference.

Or if we can find a way to define if we're talking "real world" or "comic world" esp. if we're flipping back and forth during the same post.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:38 pm

"It's been said that science fiction and fantasy are two different things: science fiction the improbable made possible; fantasy, the impossible made probable"... Rod Serling

I like that definition.

What Science fiction does is use science to make the improbable possible. In this case that be a man being transformed into energy, with the reactor representing the science being employed, meaning that the reactor is grounded in real science (i.e. magnetic bottle, anti-proton pumps, etc, etc) while it's effect is grounded in fiction (i.e. changing a man into energy).

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:02 pm

Nerd, thy name is MoTA.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:03 pm

The current term is Geek... nerds are rich and geniuses...

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:05 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:The current term is Geek... nerds are rich and geniuses...

.......

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:06 pm

Oh, come on, that was funny.

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:10 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Oh, come on, that was funny.

Worst joke ever.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:20 pm

Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Oh, come on, that was funny.
Worst joke ever.

NOW Thats Funny

-Brian

Rubiks-Q-Bert · Post by **Rubiks-Q-Bert** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:12 pm

fury143 · Post by **fury143** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:29 pm

The new story was too short. It left me wanting more after all of these years!

cjv · Post by **cjv** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:32 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
"It's been said that science fiction and fantasy are two different things: science fiction the improbable made possible; fantasy, the impossible made probable"... Rod Serling
I like that definition.

What Science fiction does is use science to make the improbable possible. In this case that be a man being transformed into energy, with the reactor representing the science being employed, meaning that the reactor is grounded in real science (i.e. magnetic bottle, anti-proton pumps, etc, etc) while it's effect is grounded in fiction (i.e. changing a man into energy).

So someone turning into Solar is not impossible, just improbable?

Gotta disagree.

If you go by the Rod Serling quote, I would have to say that Valiant Comics are fantasy...maybe science fantasy, but still fantasy.

Chris

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:40 pm

cjv wrote:So someone turning into Solar is not impossible, just improbable?

Gotta disagree.

If you go by the Rod Serling quote, I would have to say that Valiant Comics are fantasy...maybe science fantasy, but still fantasy.

Chris

Or just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really advanced science.

Did you hear about this machine that sends paper through the phone lines? Heck, have you even heard of this thing called the telephone that sends sound through wires?

Science makes what seems improbable (like a fax, a phone, a car, a laser, an Ipod, a turbine, a television, a radio, a nuclear reactor, and millions of other things) possible.

What happened to Phil may be improbable now, but in 500, 1000, 5000, 10,000 or a million years from now it may bé possible.

Science fiction like Babylon 5 and Stargate SG-1/Atlantis has shown that given enough time humans may evolve into beings made of energy (humans becoming like the Vorlons in the last episode of the fourth season of B5 and the Lanteans/Ancients becoming the Ascended in Stargate SG-1).