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Anyone need a Dark Adventure Con print set?
Look what I found on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/92-Valiant-Dark-Adv ... dZViewItem
I already have one so I thought I would share it with the board.
Chris
http://cgi.ebay.com/92-Valiant-Dark-Adv ... dZViewItem
I already have one so I thought I would share it with the board.
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Yeah I saw that but was wondering about this
It about halfway down. None of these are colored and no letters Are these extras???
http://valiantcomics.com/valiant/valian ... .asp?id=50Regular Set (Limited to 100), numbered letter.
Same as the Deluxe Set, but did not include HARDCorps #1 Gold, and only one print was colored.
It about halfway down. None of these are colored and no letters Are these extras???
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so which one in the Cheaper set was colored? and even if these are extras should that still be in color on all the prints of that perticular one??ckb wrote:This is not a real numbered set with an envelope. These are loose prints Dark Adventure found in storage.
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One of the ones with the embossing was colored...The one with the signitures IIRC.tbrezz wrote:so which one in the Cheaper set was colored? and even if these are extras should that still be in color on all the prints of that perticular one??ckb wrote:This is not a real numbered set with an envelope. These are loose prints Dark Adventure found in storage.
I wish I still had my regular set. I sold it in 1994, thinking I was happy with my deluxe set (that's my set in the pictures on this site). Who knew.
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that's the exact same set i've got...i actually attended that show. hell, i've even still got the con program..lol
mine weren't loose, they all came in a large brown manilla envelope.
i need to get them all framed in one big piece and hang them up somewhere.
the feeling i got at the time, and i could be totally wrong here, was that this was very disorganized.
maybe they fixed it during the rest of the day...but when the doors opened they had a royal mess on their hands.
good luck trent...they're really nice pieces and up until now very rare.
i always cringe when something so limited (100 - 125 sets total, 25 colored and 75 - 100 not) suddenyl turns up for sale with the caveat "we just found some of these in storage."
how many did ya find?
4,000 sets?
maybe i'l ask them...i'll let everyone know what i learn.
mine weren't loose, they all came in a large brown manilla envelope.
i need to get them all framed in one big piece and hang them up somewhere.
the feeling i got at the time, and i could be totally wrong here, was that this was very disorganized.
maybe they fixed it during the rest of the day...but when the doors opened they had a royal mess on their hands.
good luck trent...they're really nice pieces and up until now very rare.
i always cringe when something so limited (100 - 125 sets total, 25 colored and 75 - 100 not) suddenyl turns up for sale with the caveat "we just found some of these in storage."
how many did ya find?
4,000 sets?
maybe i'l ask them...i'll let everyone know what i learn.
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Hi,
This is Lon Webb of Dark Adventure Comics-I was contacted by the above post member & informed of this conversation thread. I had not even known this forum existed so I figured I would brush up on the past and jump on with some information. I literally thought no one even remembered our con outside Georgia, let alone the print set.
Our 1992 Con was built around Valiant who attended their first con primarily because of our Valiant Fan Club I had organized. The members basically beseiged their offices & I built the show around their response. I had known their marketing director, Jon Hartz, from trade shows before Valiant had even published a comic. We began an early great relationship & my store was a primary focus in the Southeast in promoting Valiant from the beginning as I had much faith in their ideas and we were a large operation.
Jon wanted to premiere the Hard Corps Gold at the show as a premium for the Valiant Fan Club & all card-carrying members received one and also anyone in a Valiant costume. Though they sent us cases for the show we returned all extras & kept a strict accounting. Jon also suggested a special Rai & the Future Force advance art/ad print to promote Rai as a premium for the Red Cross Blood Drive.
With discussion, this idea later morphed into an actual print set to be used for the Blood Drive & for a dealer's premium for the exhibitors. As this was a last minute special plan, our show ads promoted only the special Rai print & not a print set. From inception to actual show I had four months to keep w/Valiant's strict publishing schedule & we received three art mechanicals a week before the con & also had our con program cover & poster art.
In a perfect world, six months to one year is a must for scheduling an event like this one, but Valiant was the hottest ticket and they committed to us and only us for their first con contingent to following their schedule. Other companies could have learned about a tight ship from their early work ethic. It would have been even better had our advertising been able to reflect our final premiums but the schedule precluded that, yet in spite of this, word spread & we had a very large response on Con opening morning.
Hundreds of people arrived early, we learned the Red Cross had cancelled without telling us because they didn't feel a comic show would have a turn-out (!) & we didn't have enough programs for the demand for multiples. I got with Jon & we decided on the cuff to give away a print set to the first 100 people (amazingly enough, some people turned them down), get our printer on the ball for more programs & keep to our other plans-tight ship on the spot. I grabbed four volunteers and had 100 collated & quickly manilla-enveloped print sets done in 15 minutes w/the programs arriving every 30 minutes until noon.
To spare everyone the entire story of handling a massive response, it went off well with very few problems other than Bob Layton breezing in a little late (he had no idea he was to be greeted with a line out of the room and hotel). I laid out serious money for the show, advertising, national tv commercials during the premiere of Star Trek Deep Space Nine, etc. and by the end of the day Jon suggested after the prints were given to the dealers that I sell the remainder at the show to offset the cost of the event. I countered w/an idea to recreate the sets as a premium & nationally sell them for charity through CBG for the local children's hospital. Bob Layton volunteered to sign a print for each of them (the original Rai ad mechanical that was the original unprinted show premium I later printed that was meant to be an extra, tipped in print) & send some signed Hard Corps Golds & Jeff Austin volunteered to handcolor a limited amount of each as this was not a for-profit thing.
And that was that-a little over 300 of each of the prints were printed originally (in case of imperfections or damages for the 300 planned) & about half that was given away at the show. I set the remaining prints for the charity at 25 Deluxe sets (all handcolored) & 100 Limited sets and sent the initial ad for publication w/staggered prices for early numbers w/the premium package w/signatures. We had a nice initial response.
Then a primary partner at Valiant (who will remain unnamed for reasons anyone familiar w/the interior workings of Valiant will know-hint: he wasn't Shooter) apparently freaked that money was about to be made by someone off a promotion, whether it was for charity or not. Bob I believe fell into a sticky work situation & the prints sent him were lost & I temporarily (turned out permanently) cancelled the ad. Then they were found. Then lost again. Then found again & put to the side as promises and apologies kind of rained on us. Then I received the prints back unsigned & the Hard Corps Golds never materialized. That I received the prints back at all was probably Jon at work.
I cancelled the entire charity promotion at that point as I could only look so bad in the furthering of the situation I had been placed in. I filled the intitial premium print set orders from a few signed program cover & Unity prints that were signed by Bob witnessed & notarized at the show that I had personally made & purchased all I could of those 2 from Fan Club members to offset the problem along w/the required Gold books at $100 each.
The skinny: From the results of one ad over a space of 2 or so months most of the Deluxe sets were sold & filled. Of the Limited set of 100 most of the very early numbers were sold & filled & of the balance about a third were sold & filled. I have dead accurate numbers & fill rates somewhere in my 1992 paperwork files of 27 boxes & I'm not anal enough to spend days digging as my taxes were done correctly & audited.
The numbering of the sold sets varied as buyers could request a particular number or it be our choice so they were not filled sequentially. Jeff handcolored around 40-50 complete sets (what a fantastic, special artist!) of which 25 were in the Deluxe, 10 in the first 10 of the Limited & 1 of our decision going into each of the filled later numbered sets. To be specific, there was not one designated print that was handcolored for the 1 in each of those, but one of the four on hand, so any one of the four could be the colored print in one of those sets sold.
At that point all monies received were sent to the charity, the remaining prints went into storage boxes with all show non-accounting paperwork, programs, tickets, etc. & disappeared into the morass of store accumulation in the warehouse. I moved forward as this was a very disappointing situation for me as the Valiant I loved was swiftly moving into a greed hell that consumed part of the company & promises made in good faith turned to avoidance. Nuff said. I will say Jon & Bob were always exemplary to me and at later dates sent me special in-house materials, enough Darque Brew to get me drunk if I wanted, professional fanboy one of a kind stuff and even introduced me to Aerosmith in Chicago. When I last spoke to Jon in San Diego, he was retired and had bought a farm in CT & was a gentleman farmer. Bless him.
Fastforward 12 years & the dissection of the remaining warehouse began moving slowly on to free up space. A box w/some prints here. Later a few there, all put to the side. A few weeks ago, a fellow store owner contacted me out of the blue & asked about rare Valiant stuff & I dug through it and sold him one of each of some material. A friend of his emailed & wanted info on the remaining sets and I put together the con sets that were on hand then and he will probably purchase them for a very reasonable price. The past week we put together a few sets of loose remainders & have a few loose colored ones and placed one regular set on ebay to see if anyone remembered it.
Sorry to disappoint any doomsayers but that's it. No 4000 laying around, not 400-the math is there to reach the conclusion. Not only that, but in all honesty there are not even 25 Deluxe sets & 100 Limited sets that were actually filled & in circulation, so they are actually more scarce than you know. To be technical, the Gallery on this site should actually list the Valiant Fan Club regular con B/W set of four as an actual item as they were the first to exist & were given out at the show. There was also an in-store set of 5 sets signed by everyone & all present club members we gave away at our Valiant Fan Club store private sale. The plain manilla envelope is no great shakes as they were just a temporary container & have no intrinsic value whatsoever-many people tossed them & a few actually tossed the print sets at the show to lighten their load. Premium sets were housed in portfolio mylar, again with no intrinsic value.
I have seen variations of the presentation of the regular sets done by dealers who received them back then to try to maximize returns for themselves but these are just blowing smoke and again, are not sets of original integrity. We produced a limited number of con videos of the awards presentations & panels & guests for the fan club also and none were ever sold to the general public. If you ever see one of these the label reads "Dark Adventure Con '92" and has a small Valiant logo w/TM w/my handsigned initials "AAW" below it w/NOT FOR SALE.
The Unity & Rai prints were gold-embossed at the lower logo, the program print has 2 autograph spaces which were mostly filled in w/signatures of Jeff & myself on numbered and premiums & left blank for the recipient at the show to have signed themselves by Valiant personnel. The Rai ad print we did for Bob's signature was never signed, just returned with many damaged & we have all of these somewhere-not one is in circulation and as a bonus addition was never completed. Please don't mass email me to try to dig them up.
The true rarity of the entire process is more the material, membership cards & ephemera of the Valiant Fan Club, which was local, not national, and existed for 1 year and was entirely non-profit. I created it w/Valiant's blessing & created all the materials for them and they ran it and probably still have most of these items personally. I do not have stock on them & the items I have are not for sale-this was a true FAN club.
I promoted Valiant for years & made a modest amount of retail dollars during that time. If you knew our store you also know that until 1993 you could buy virtually any Valiant back issue in our store at cover price-we carried Solar #1 for 2 years. From the beginning I back ordered all remaining Valiant titles from my distributor by the thousands & sold every one at cover price in my quest to help a company I loved become huge. Locally, I was thought insane but the quality was unsurpassed and reasonable. I never made a dime on the con-I lost money. The con was never for the money. It was for the fans.
This was probably too much info for most but it has been a trip down memory lane (and I thank Jeff Austin and a few old employees for their sharpening of the memory for this) and if you read it all you love Valiant as much today as I did then, when you could get as truly excited about comics as you did when you were a kid. That is what this has always been about for me other than honest business. I sold my store location in 1998 to care for my terminally ill mother until her death 3 years later & now do mainly mail order, trade shows & ebay. My mother was a fixture in my store for years as hundreds of customers know & handed me my first comic book at 5 and the values that started me off. Everyone should be so blessed. Thanks for your time.
This is Lon Webb of Dark Adventure Comics-I was contacted by the above post member & informed of this conversation thread. I had not even known this forum existed so I figured I would brush up on the past and jump on with some information. I literally thought no one even remembered our con outside Georgia, let alone the print set.
Our 1992 Con was built around Valiant who attended their first con primarily because of our Valiant Fan Club I had organized. The members basically beseiged their offices & I built the show around their response. I had known their marketing director, Jon Hartz, from trade shows before Valiant had even published a comic. We began an early great relationship & my store was a primary focus in the Southeast in promoting Valiant from the beginning as I had much faith in their ideas and we were a large operation.
Jon wanted to premiere the Hard Corps Gold at the show as a premium for the Valiant Fan Club & all card-carrying members received one and also anyone in a Valiant costume. Though they sent us cases for the show we returned all extras & kept a strict accounting. Jon also suggested a special Rai & the Future Force advance art/ad print to promote Rai as a premium for the Red Cross Blood Drive.
With discussion, this idea later morphed into an actual print set to be used for the Blood Drive & for a dealer's premium for the exhibitors. As this was a last minute special plan, our show ads promoted only the special Rai print & not a print set. From inception to actual show I had four months to keep w/Valiant's strict publishing schedule & we received three art mechanicals a week before the con & also had our con program cover & poster art.
In a perfect world, six months to one year is a must for scheduling an event like this one, but Valiant was the hottest ticket and they committed to us and only us for their first con contingent to following their schedule. Other companies could have learned about a tight ship from their early work ethic. It would have been even better had our advertising been able to reflect our final premiums but the schedule precluded that, yet in spite of this, word spread & we had a very large response on Con opening morning.
Hundreds of people arrived early, we learned the Red Cross had cancelled without telling us because they didn't feel a comic show would have a turn-out (!) & we didn't have enough programs for the demand for multiples. I got with Jon & we decided on the cuff to give away a print set to the first 100 people (amazingly enough, some people turned them down), get our printer on the ball for more programs & keep to our other plans-tight ship on the spot. I grabbed four volunteers and had 100 collated & quickly manilla-enveloped print sets done in 15 minutes w/the programs arriving every 30 minutes until noon.
To spare everyone the entire story of handling a massive response, it went off well with very few problems other than Bob Layton breezing in a little late (he had no idea he was to be greeted with a line out of the room and hotel). I laid out serious money for the show, advertising, national tv commercials during the premiere of Star Trek Deep Space Nine, etc. and by the end of the day Jon suggested after the prints were given to the dealers that I sell the remainder at the show to offset the cost of the event. I countered w/an idea to recreate the sets as a premium & nationally sell them for charity through CBG for the local children's hospital. Bob Layton volunteered to sign a print for each of them (the original Rai ad mechanical that was the original unprinted show premium I later printed that was meant to be an extra, tipped in print) & send some signed Hard Corps Golds & Jeff Austin volunteered to handcolor a limited amount of each as this was not a for-profit thing.
And that was that-a little over 300 of each of the prints were printed originally (in case of imperfections or damages for the 300 planned) & about half that was given away at the show. I set the remaining prints for the charity at 25 Deluxe sets (all handcolored) & 100 Limited sets and sent the initial ad for publication w/staggered prices for early numbers w/the premium package w/signatures. We had a nice initial response.
Then a primary partner at Valiant (who will remain unnamed for reasons anyone familiar w/the interior workings of Valiant will know-hint: he wasn't Shooter) apparently freaked that money was about to be made by someone off a promotion, whether it was for charity or not. Bob I believe fell into a sticky work situation & the prints sent him were lost & I temporarily (turned out permanently) cancelled the ad. Then they were found. Then lost again. Then found again & put to the side as promises and apologies kind of rained on us. Then I received the prints back unsigned & the Hard Corps Golds never materialized. That I received the prints back at all was probably Jon at work.
I cancelled the entire charity promotion at that point as I could only look so bad in the furthering of the situation I had been placed in. I filled the intitial premium print set orders from a few signed program cover & Unity prints that were signed by Bob witnessed & notarized at the show that I had personally made & purchased all I could of those 2 from Fan Club members to offset the problem along w/the required Gold books at $100 each.
The skinny: From the results of one ad over a space of 2 or so months most of the Deluxe sets were sold & filled. Of the Limited set of 100 most of the very early numbers were sold & filled & of the balance about a third were sold & filled. I have dead accurate numbers & fill rates somewhere in my 1992 paperwork files of 27 boxes & I'm not anal enough to spend days digging as my taxes were done correctly & audited.
The numbering of the sold sets varied as buyers could request a particular number or it be our choice so they were not filled sequentially. Jeff handcolored around 40-50 complete sets (what a fantastic, special artist!) of which 25 were in the Deluxe, 10 in the first 10 of the Limited & 1 of our decision going into each of the filled later numbered sets. To be specific, there was not one designated print that was handcolored for the 1 in each of those, but one of the four on hand, so any one of the four could be the colored print in one of those sets sold.
At that point all monies received were sent to the charity, the remaining prints went into storage boxes with all show non-accounting paperwork, programs, tickets, etc. & disappeared into the morass of store accumulation in the warehouse. I moved forward as this was a very disappointing situation for me as the Valiant I loved was swiftly moving into a greed hell that consumed part of the company & promises made in good faith turned to avoidance. Nuff said. I will say Jon & Bob were always exemplary to me and at later dates sent me special in-house materials, enough Darque Brew to get me drunk if I wanted, professional fanboy one of a kind stuff and even introduced me to Aerosmith in Chicago. When I last spoke to Jon in San Diego, he was retired and had bought a farm in CT & was a gentleman farmer. Bless him.
Fastforward 12 years & the dissection of the remaining warehouse began moving slowly on to free up space. A box w/some prints here. Later a few there, all put to the side. A few weeks ago, a fellow store owner contacted me out of the blue & asked about rare Valiant stuff & I dug through it and sold him one of each of some material. A friend of his emailed & wanted info on the remaining sets and I put together the con sets that were on hand then and he will probably purchase them for a very reasonable price. The past week we put together a few sets of loose remainders & have a few loose colored ones and placed one regular set on ebay to see if anyone remembered it.
Sorry to disappoint any doomsayers but that's it. No 4000 laying around, not 400-the math is there to reach the conclusion. Not only that, but in all honesty there are not even 25 Deluxe sets & 100 Limited sets that were actually filled & in circulation, so they are actually more scarce than you know. To be technical, the Gallery on this site should actually list the Valiant Fan Club regular con B/W set of four as an actual item as they were the first to exist & were given out at the show. There was also an in-store set of 5 sets signed by everyone & all present club members we gave away at our Valiant Fan Club store private sale. The plain manilla envelope is no great shakes as they were just a temporary container & have no intrinsic value whatsoever-many people tossed them & a few actually tossed the print sets at the show to lighten their load. Premium sets were housed in portfolio mylar, again with no intrinsic value.
I have seen variations of the presentation of the regular sets done by dealers who received them back then to try to maximize returns for themselves but these are just blowing smoke and again, are not sets of original integrity. We produced a limited number of con videos of the awards presentations & panels & guests for the fan club also and none were ever sold to the general public. If you ever see one of these the label reads "Dark Adventure Con '92" and has a small Valiant logo w/TM w/my handsigned initials "AAW" below it w/NOT FOR SALE.
The Unity & Rai prints were gold-embossed at the lower logo, the program print has 2 autograph spaces which were mostly filled in w/signatures of Jeff & myself on numbered and premiums & left blank for the recipient at the show to have signed themselves by Valiant personnel. The Rai ad print we did for Bob's signature was never signed, just returned with many damaged & we have all of these somewhere-not one is in circulation and as a bonus addition was never completed. Please don't mass email me to try to dig them up.
The true rarity of the entire process is more the material, membership cards & ephemera of the Valiant Fan Club, which was local, not national, and existed for 1 year and was entirely non-profit. I created it w/Valiant's blessing & created all the materials for them and they ran it and probably still have most of these items personally. I do not have stock on them & the items I have are not for sale-this was a true FAN club.
I promoted Valiant for years & made a modest amount of retail dollars during that time. If you knew our store you also know that until 1993 you could buy virtually any Valiant back issue in our store at cover price-we carried Solar #1 for 2 years. From the beginning I back ordered all remaining Valiant titles from my distributor by the thousands & sold every one at cover price in my quest to help a company I loved become huge. Locally, I was thought insane but the quality was unsurpassed and reasonable. I never made a dime on the con-I lost money. The con was never for the money. It was for the fans.
This was probably too much info for most but it has been a trip down memory lane (and I thank Jeff Austin and a few old employees for their sharpening of the memory for this) and if you read it all you love Valiant as much today as I did then, when you could get as truly excited about comics as you did when you were a kid. That is what this has always been about for me other than honest business. I sold my store location in 1998 to care for my terminally ill mother until her death 3 years later & now do mainly mail order, trade shows & ebay. My mother was a fixture in my store for years as hundreds of customers know & handed me my first comic book at 5 and the values that started me off. Everyone should be so blessed. Thanks for your time.
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Yes, thanks for all the info!
Here's a few pix from my collection:
Limited set #25 of 25

Regular set:


Program:


Thank you letter:
http://sonicdan.com/valiant/RCletter1.jpg
Deluxe set info:
http://sonicdan.com/valiant/RCletter2.jpg
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Here's a few pix from my collection:
Limited set #25 of 25

Regular set:
Program:


Thank you letter:
http://sonicdan.com/valiant/RCletter1.jpg
Deluxe set info:
http://sonicdan.com/valiant/RCletter2.jpg
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my set is just the 4 prints and the program...no cert was in my package.
it's cool to know the story behind their creation and i find it interesting that the story of the prints after the show is so telling as to the degredation of valiant...which would ultimately lead to it's downfall.
very cool stuff.
i'm proud to say i was there and it was one of the coolest cons i've ever been to.
it's cool to know the story behind their creation and i find it interesting that the story of the prints after the show is so telling as to the degredation of valiant...which would ultimately lead to it's downfall.
very cool stuff.
i'm proud to say i was there and it was one of the coolest cons i've ever been to.
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Thanks for sharing. I appreciate the inside information! It is nice to know the story behind the items that we are collecting.
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