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The Giffen Magnus Run...discussion of Rai's Outcome

Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:12:30 pm

Howdy all,

So, last week I read the much despised Giffen Magnus run at the end of the title.

I enjoyed it as a different take of Magnus, but at the same time felt it cheapened Shooter's original work on the book. Ah well...

My question here, per the subject line, is...what exactly happened with the Rais?

It seemed as if Takashi revealed that the whole reason he treated Obadiah so poory was because he was afraid to take on the mantle himself, and instead of looking weak, he wanted to put on the front that he was a bitter, angry muscle-head of a brother. Did I get that right?

Also, it seemed that this story thread was left up in the air as far as what he and Obie's final conversation was about.

Curious what you guys speculate on that (or even care? Hahahahaha).

I still love the Psi-Lords though...regardless of their supposed take-over of Earth behind the scenes :)

Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:08:07 pm

head to the rereading section of the boards...lots 'o little tidbits of info in there...

like this... :P

Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:56:26 pm

Which issues does he do? He goes all the way to the end once he starts right? I'm re-reading Magnus right now, and I'm at the tail end of the Geomancer Quest with the Immortal Enemy and Bozzi...the Armstrong.

Weird way to bring him back. So...random?

Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:04:19 am

I have read Rai to the end, but have never read the final Magnus issues...

:?



-slym

Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:43:05 am

Lotsa good Rai stuff in those final issues, slym. Even if they are post-UNITY. :P

Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:39:29 pm

I have stared at the next Magnus issue for two nights in a row now and then shook my head, "Not gonna do it."

Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:07:24 pm

dave wrote:I have stared at the next Magnus issue for two nights in a row now and then shook my head, "Not gonna do it."


Just Do It! At least read it once! Lol...

While it is clearly not early Magnus, it was still fun to see such a different look and take to Magnus. As with most final issues of these Valiant books, they really don't meet good expectations, but it is still neat :) Or am I just fooling myself?

The best feeling I ever had though was when I got my copy of X-O #68 in the mail and had it in my hand :)

Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:16:01 pm

Those last issues are terrible, but I think they should be read at least once. It will at least give you a greater appreciation for the early runs that Shooter crafted. The difference is like night and day.

Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:40:31 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:Those last issues are terrible, but I think they should be read at least once. It will at least give you a greater appreciation for the early runs that Shooter crafted. The difference is like night and day.


Yes, it surely is...lol.

Seriously though...I can't wait to see how the new Dark Horse Shooter books are going to be. I pray and hope that this will FINALLY be Jim Shooter's day in the sun :) He deserves a company like Dark Horse to allow him to see through his vision for once, y'know?

Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:09:10 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Lotsa good Rai stuff in those final issues, slym. Even if they are post-UNITY. :P


The "Bad Penny" story was particularly good.

Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:23:55 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:Lotsa good Rai stuff in those final issues, slym. Even if they are post-UNITY. :P


The "Bad Penny" story was particularly good.


There was an appearance of the greatest VALIANT hero of all time! Yer d@mned skippy it was!

(But that happened in RAI; I'm making a case for the final run on MRF)

Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:34:39 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:Lotsa good Rai stuff in those final issues, slym. Even if they are post-UNITY. :P


The "Bad Penny" story was particularly good.


There was an appearance of the greatest VALIANT hero of all time! Yer d@mned skippy it was!

(But that happened in RAI; I'm making a case for the final run on MRF)


Mea Culpa! I just got out of class and my head was swimming when I read your post. I did like what "Old Man Rai" did in the late issues of Magnus.

Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:59:20 pm

JonesyAZ wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Those last issues are terrible, but I think they should be read at least once. It will at least give you a greater appreciation for the early runs that Shooter crafted. The difference is like night and day.


Yes, it surely is...lol.

Seriously though...I can't wait to see how the new Dark Horse Shooter books are going to be. I pray and hope that this will FINALLY be Jim Shooter's day in the sun :) He deserves a company like Dark Horse to allow him to see through his vision for once, y'know?


Yeah, I hope Dark Horse appreciates what they have.

Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:54:30 pm

I read two more-but these stories are pretty much non-existent. They are already so bad and the NEXT issue I have up is the Birthquake issue...I can't imagine these getting worse!

Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:28:27 pm

dave wrote:I read two more-but these stories are pretty much non-existent. They are already so bad and the NEXT issue I have up is the Birthquake issue...I can't imagine these getting worse!


Poor, poor Dave...lol.

It gets worse.

Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:50:50 pm

JonesyAZ wrote:
dave wrote:I read two more-but these stories are pretty much non-existent. They are already so bad and the NEXT issue I have up is the Birthquake issue...I can't imagine these getting worse!


Poor, poor Dave...lol.

It gets worse.


For sure.

Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:10:31 pm

The last one I read was terrible. Leeja in that ridiculous green costume with the cape. She gives Torque a lame pep talk, "I've never beaten dad at anything."
"That's because you've never tried!"

Punch!

I have a lifetime of knowledge boy!

Punch!

You forgot about me!

Wa-Thoom!

Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:06:57 pm

She could be emasculating at times.



-slym

Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:31:00 pm

Reading MRF 48 right now.

On the cover, Magnus, Leeja and Modra-6 are standing in a sewer. For some reason the sewer was built with a twelve inch drop. Above this sewer there is open space, it is night and three robots are standing there. I think the robots are there to let us know that the artist drew the picture in 1995. January, in fact.

I have no idea where Magnus was standing before he leapt at Modra-6. His feet aren't wet. Not sure how deep the water is. I also can't figure out why Modra-6 doesn't blow Leeja away.

Then there Magnus' hair. He's rocking the white hair. Did they ever explain the hair? Was it brought on by the trauma of being lost at sea for a few days? Then he'd what? Use Grecian formula on the inside covers? Bizarre.

Just wait for some of the dialogue.

Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:15:01 am

dave wrote:Reading MRF 48 right now.

...
the artist drew the picture in 1995. January, in fact.


Ah yes, wonder how issues 47 and 48 were planned from the beginning? Some kind of fill-in issues that were delayed?

/Magnus

Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:30:14 pm

dave wrote:Reading MRF 48 right now.

On the cover, Magnus, Leeja and Modra-6 are standing in a sewer. For some reason the sewer was built with a twelve inch drop. Above this sewer there is open space, it is night and three robots are standing there. I think the robots are there to let us know that the artist drew the picture in 1995. January, in fact.

I have no idea where Magnus was standing before he leapt at Modra-6. His feet aren't wet. Not sure how deep the water is. I also can't figure out why Modra-6 doesn't blow Leeja away.

Then there Magnus' hair. He's rocking the white hair. Did they ever explain the hair? Was it brought on by the trauma of being lost at sea for a few days? Then he'd what? Use Grecian formula on the inside covers? Bizarre.

Just wait for some of the dialogue.
he's like 20 years older...seems that was the only way they could "age" him... :P ...god they get sooooo bad from there...

Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:29:24 pm

I have no problem with him getting older, it's just that he's got the white hair on the covers (for a while) but not the interiors. Inside issue 49 he has regular colored hair all the way through, until the last page when Leeja sits on his lap.

Is this a subtle reference to his sexual inadequacies?

Oh, and how did he and torque age close to 20 years in three years? The date on these says 4004 or something!

Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:52:53 pm

Here is the plot expo for issue 48...huge splash page. Magnus wearing gold armor over his full tunic outfit.

Magnus: Psi-Lords: has there been a change in status?

Psi-Lord: No. We wishto point out that the situation hasn't changed.

Other Psi-Lord: it's been over three hours since you and the robot leader talked...and we have neither seen nor heard Leeja.

Awesome! :)

Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:45:17 am

dave wrote:Here is the plot expo for issue 48...huge splash page. Magnus wearing gold armor over his full tunic outfit.

Magnus: Psi-Lords: has there been a change in status?

Psi-Lord: No. We wishto point out that the situation hasn't changed.

Other Psi-Lord: it's been over three hours since you and the robot leader talked...and we have neither seen nor heard Leeja.

Awesome! :)
woof!

Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:44:07 pm

I wish to report that the situation has not changed. The writing on Magnus is still not good!

But it did improve for the first Birthquake issue. I didn't have to groan my way through it.
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