WHAT HAPPENED TO PETER STANCHEK?

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:14:34 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:I'm sure he shacked up with his girl even after Torque leading to a kid.
Kris isn't the mother of Pete's kids, she only looks after them.

I think it's implied that Kris dies an old maid longing for her child.

Does it say she's not the biological mother? I don't have an accessible copy of Rai 0 to read.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:10:07 am

tarheelmarine wrote:Does it say she's not the biological mother? I don't have an accessible copy of Rai 0 to read.

"He left his daughter-in-law and grandchildren in the care of his best friend, Kris."

Might not mean anything, but I can add that Kris, in her letter to Magnus, doesn't mention any siblings.

/Magnus

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:46:17 am

magnusr wrote:
tarheelmarine wrote:Does it say she's not the biological mother? I don't have an accessible copy of Rai 0 to read.
"He left his daughter-in-law and grandchildren in the care of his best friend, Kris."

Might not mean anything, but I can add that Kris, in her letter to Magnus, doesn't mention any siblings.

/Magnus

Case closed until further evidence is discovered.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:48:34 am

When Torque died Pete said that he loved him.

I think Pete was jealous of Kris, not of Torque.

That still leaves the question of where his descendants came from.

Maybe they were the Visitor's kids, heh.

The Harbinger · Post by **The Harbinger** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:53:43 pm

he could've adopted like brangelina

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:50:54 pm

The Harbinger wrote:he could've adopted like brangelina

His offspring were Omega Harbingers too, so they couldn't have been adopted.

Imagine if the children were Pete's but instead of 90's Pete's they were the Visitor's.

The Harbinger · Post by **The Harbinger** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:23:44 pm

at that point, time travel comes into play, which is always confusing. would the kids exist with pete before he went back in time to have kids? or would he see them only as the visitor? him and flamingo did embrace at the end of vis. maybe flam got with pete before archer.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:27:06 pm

The Harbinger wrote:at that point, time travel comes into play, which is always confusing. would the kids exist with pete before he went back in time to have kids? or would he see them only as the visitor? him and flamingo did embrace at the end of vis. maybe flam got with pete before archer.

It's really confusing.... a possible solution is that the kid seen in Rai #0 and the descendant that destroyed Toyo weren't really Pete's.

Maybe Shooter intended for Kris to become something like the Oracle in Matrix or Xavier in X-Men, and the kid was like a Harbinger kid that lived in her house.

But then again, he had hair similar to Pete's and looks a lot like him.

Well, it's just a theory.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:49:22 pm

Maybe Pete was BI? Does it matter?

putz · Post by **putz** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:28:28 pm

Sperm donor?
Test tube babies?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:10:27 pm

Maybe he just "Popped" some babies out there...

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:00:59 am

Manipulation by Toyo, to (hopefully) create a lineage of Omegas?

Harbinger Hootch. For when you really want to forget the evening before!!

All sorts of ways, all sorts of ways.

Forgive my shaky memory for all things non-canonical, but how was this confirmed? Shooter interview?

Thanks for any help.
BoH

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:37:41 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Manipulation by Toyo, to (hopefully) create a lineage of Omegas?

Harbinger Hootch. For when you really want to forget the evening before!!

All sorts of ways, all sorts of ways.

Forgive my shaky memory for all things non-canonical, but how was this confirmed? Shooter interview?

Thanks for any help.
BoH

In Harbinger 35-36 it was revealed that Faith's parents worked for the foundation and that her birth was part of a Harbinger breeding program.

The only way Harada could have manipulated Kris into sleeping with Torque would be if he believed that she carried the genetic traits to give birth to a Harbinger worthy of the mating.

A hole with the theory that Harada was behind Kris and Torque getting together is that wouldn't it have made more sense for him to try to get Pete to reproduce and give birth to another omega instead?

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:02:00 pm

Maybe he determined that Kris would not produce the kind of kid he wanted from Pete (not powerful enough?) so he had her get pregnant by Torque, which we know bred a very powerful harbinger and would have broken Kris and Stanchek up to let Pete breed with a more suitable mother to baby harbingers.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:42:21 am

Chiclo wrote:Maybe he determined that Kris would not produce the kind of kid he wanted from Pete (not powerful enough?) so he had her get pregnant by Torque, which we know bred a very powerful harbinger and would have broken Kris and Stanchek up to let Pete breed with a more suitable mother to baby harbingers.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:55:50 am

Chiclo wrote:Maybe he determined that Kris would not produce the kind of kid he wanted from Pete (not powerful enough?) so he had her get pregnant by Torque, which we know bred a very powerful harbinger and would have broken Kris and Stanchek up to let Pete breed with a more suitable mother to baby harbingers.

We know that John Stanchek, Pete's descendant 900 removed, was an Omega Harbinger, so isn't it more likely that Pete carried the Omega gene and it wouldn't have made any difference who he mated with?

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:29:57 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Maybe he determined that Kris would not produce the kind of kid he wanted from Pete (not powerful enough?) so he had her get pregnant by Torque, which we know bred a very powerful harbinger and would have broken Kris and Stanchek up to let Pete breed with a more suitable mother to baby harbingers.
We know that John Stanchek, Pete's descendant 900 removed, was an Omega Harbinger, so isn't it more likely that Pete carried the Omega gene and it wouldn't have made any difference who he mated with?

Well, that's the odd thing about genetics, maybe it would and maybe it wouldn't. I could not give you any qualitative data about the Omega gene. I've never seen one. I don't know how it would behave. Just because it gives the guy with the Omega gene very strong powers does not make it a powerful or dominant gene. It could be recessive.

And, if Toyo was engaging in eugenics, he probably could have found a better potential mate for Pete than Kris. Hell, for all we know, he could have found Pete a good guy.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:33:01 pm

I would say that the gene was recessive given how if anyone before John had been an Omega Harbinger they could have ended the war long before 900 years had gone by.

Or everyone in Pete's lineage was an Omega but lacked the ability to defeat Harada the same way John did.

user1463 · Post by **user1463** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:40:43 pm

Well, what is the last impression/fate of Peter in his last VH1 appearance?

I don't know because the last VH1 comic I have is Visitor #9, but I think it might be important with (hopefully) new Harbinger related material being released in the future.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:43:10 pm

user1463 wrote:Well, what is the last impression/fate of Peter in his last VH1 appearance?

I don't know because the last VH1 comic I have is Visitor #9, but I think it might be important with (hopefully) new Harbinger related material being released in the future.

In Visitor #13, He, Flamingo, Chang (and I believe one or two other people, I don't remember) decided to restart the resistance.

It be interesting to see what would happen if Pete's revived resistance crossed paths with Faith's resistance, specially after Pete killed Simon when he was the Harbinger.

Aaaaaah, if told in the old VALIANT style, such an encounter would be epic.

How would Faith deal with her feelings for Pete (as a friend of course) after learning that he killed her friend?

The other kids in Faith's team would most likely want to take their pound of flesh.

user1463 · Post by **user1463** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:54:08 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:In Visitor #13, He, Flamingo, Chang (and I believe one or two other people, I don't remember) decided to restart the resistance.

Which Pete? Harbinger Pete or Visitor Pete?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:54:57 pm

user1463 wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:In Visitor #13, He, Flamingo, Chang (and I believe one or two other people, I don't remember) decided to restart the resistance.
Which Pete? Harbinger Pete or Visitor Pete?

Pete Harbinger. Pete Visitor died in Visitor #13

user1463 · Post by **user1463** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:28:11 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:Pete Harbinger. Pete Visitor died in Visitor #13

Damn, how'd he go out and was it explained at what point in the time-line/multi-verse he (Visitor Pete) came from? Is this death his ultimate/Rai Zero-esque destiny?

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:45:22 pm

user1463 wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:Pete Harbinger. Pete Visitor died in Visitor #13
Damn, how'd he go out and was it explained at what point in the time-line/multi-verse he (Visitor Pete) came from? Is this death his ultimate/Rai Zero-esque destiny?

I don't remember how he died.

He came from the future from a time during the Harbinger Wars (he was the man that Ivar met in the Harbinger Wars trilogy in Timewalker).

This could be considered the ultimate fate for that timeline's version of Pete, but his trip to the past could very well have changed the timeline and make it so he never goes back to the past (which of course makes no sense because if he doesn't go back in time he can't advert it).

I'd say that no matter what Pete does, he won't be able to avoid that fate and that he's caught in that loop. He will become Harada's prisoner during the war and he will go back in time to become the Visitor to warn his past self, but ultimately, he won't be able to stop his fate.

That be the VALIANT way of doing it (despite how out of place it feels).

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:00:07 am

ManofTheAtom wrote:I don't remember how he died.

Nothing special, simply wore himself out.

/Magnus