Rob Liefield's Turok:The Dinosur Hunter

[Heath]

Liefeld's mom wrote that, didn't she?

[Paul Nolan]

Never understood how its okay to just make a lot of cheap shots with such a pack mentality... guess what, you don't have to buy his work.

In my opinion the comic 'community's' constant whinging on Liefelds work, mostly from TWENTY YEARS AGO borders on bullying.

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

[StarBrand]

Never understood how its okay to just make a lot of cheap shots with such a pack mentality... guess what, you don't have to buy his work.

In my opinion the comic 'community's' constant whinging on Liefelds work, mostly from TWENTY YEARS AGO borders on bullying.

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

I agree with every word of your rant, Paul. In fact, I think you downplayed Liefeld's importance to the comic book industry back in the day by not mentioning it. He was rather popular, then.

[greg]

If a member of your family is constantly embarrassing the whole by doing ridiculous things that reflect poorly on the family, you have to ask the question:

Is this behavior a result of choice?

If the answer is YES, he has a choice, then the family is justified in its criticism.

If the answer is NO, he cannot help it, the family is not justified in its criticism.

It is BECAUSE Liefeld has not improved his ridiculous 'art' in twenty years that the comic family has grown tired of his refusal to do better.

We are justified, UNLESS he just can't help it.

So which is it?

[StarBrand]

Here's the first cover I viewed on eBay after leaving this thread. Wow, we better start making disparaging remarks about this artist too.

[Chiclo]

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

Brett Booth.

[lorddunlow]

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

I wonder... I can think of one at least... One guess who I'm thinking of. Hint: potato car

[Paul Nolan]

If a member of your family is constantly embarrassing the whole by doing ridiculous things that reflect poorly on the family, you have to ask the question:

Is this behavior a result of choice?

If the answer is YES, he has a choice, then the family is justified in its criticism.

If the answer is NO, he cannot help it, the family is not justified in its criticism.

It is BECAUSE Liefeld has not improved his ridiculous 'art' in twenty years that the comic family has grown tired of his refusal to do better.

We are justified, UNLESS he just can't help it.

So which is it?

There's lots of evidence to show Rob has improved over time, people decide to be blinkered and live in the nineties though

[Phoenix8008]

If a member of your family is constantly embarrassing the whole by doing ridiculous things that reflect poorly on the family, you have to ask the question:

Is this behavior a result of choice?

If the answer is YES, he has a choice, then the family is justified in its criticism.

If the answer is NO, he cannot help it, the family is not justified in its criticism.

It is BECAUSE Liefeld has not improved his ridiculous 'art' in twenty years that the comic family has grown tired of his refusal to do better.

We are justified, UNLESS he just can't help it.

So which is it?

There's lots of evidence to show Rob has improved over time, people decide to be blinkered and live in the nineties though

I can appreciate that most of the examples listed are about images from the 90's. Like others have said, if it wasn't something that was so out there for so long that it became a cliche, then it wouldn't really be worth mentioning. And while I also agree that Liefield has improved as an artist (as seen in the images you posted), there is still an issue because having 'fewer issues' isn't the same as having 'no issues'. As a rebuttal I offer some other more recent work of his...



The GOOD: He HAS FEET! And there's only pouches on one side of his belt!
The BAD: No String on the bow and no fletching on the arrow are the big ones for me. There may be a little musculature that isn't perfect, but not enough for me to notice without someone calling attention to it.

That's the problem with alot of Liefield's stuff. I LOVED his New Mutants and X-Force stuff when I was an X-fan in the 90's! Until some of his more epic foibles showed up, I didn't notice alot. But once seen, I couldn't unsee and then started seeing it everywhere!

Summary: He's gotten better, but is still making some silly art mistakes, unless this image isn't the final one that is going to be released. Yes, he's a dynamic artist that draws some beautiful stuff, but if the Mona Lisa had a red clown nose added onto it that made no sense, it wouldn't be a classic work of art either.

[MarkRoseHFX]

Never understood how its okay to just make a lot of cheap shots with such a pack mentality... guess what, you don't have to buy his work.

In my opinion the comic 'community's' constant whinging on Liefelds work, mostly from TWENTY YEARS AGO borders on bullying.

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

please.

get off your high horse we were just having a little fun.

[Phoenix8008]

When Liefield's art is good, it's GREAT. But when it has issues, they tend to be HUGE eye-drawing issues that break me out of the flow of reading the comic and that's not a good result for an artist.

[Paul Nolan]

Never understood how its okay to just make a lot of cheap shots with such a pack mentality... guess what, you don't have to buy his work.

In my opinion the comic 'community's' constant whinging on Liefelds work, mostly from TWENTY YEARS AGO borders on bullying.

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

please.

get off your high horse we were just having a little fun.

Oh please. The same things are regurgitated over and over and over and over on every forum every time Liefelds name is mentioned. Its Every. single. time. Its over done and its so pathetically predictable. its embarrassing that a community as small as the comic book community can round on one of its own. I just dont get it.

Edit: and worth noting....Bart Sears cover hasn't got a string either,that was added by the colorist.

[MarkRoseHFX]

Never understood how its okay to just make a lot of cheap shots with such a pack mentality... guess what, you don't have to buy his work.

In my opinion the comic 'community's' constant whinging on Liefelds work, mostly from TWENTY YEARS AGO borders on bullying.

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

please.

get off your high horse we were just having a little fun.

Oh please. The same things are regurgitated over and over and over and over on every forum every time Liefelds name is mentioned. Its Every. single. time. Its over done and its so pathetically predictable. its embarrassing that a community as small as the comic book community can round on one of its own. I just dont get it.

Edit: and worth noting....Bart Sears cover hasn't got a string either,that was added by the colorist.

Why do you care? Are you related to him or something? Who made you the Anti-Liefeld police?

If you don't like it don't read the Liefeld threads.

[depluto]

I've actually come to like Liefeld after following him on Twitter for a while. Don't always agree with him but I think he is personable and interesting, and he's definitely a big name in the history of comic books.

But that Turok cover does kinda suck.

[Shadowman99]

Grow up, there are lot of worse artists out there.

I wonder... I can think of one at least... One guess who I'm thinking of. Hint: potato car

Thanks to Dunlow, I'm going to take this opportunity to shoehorn this image into this thread as well! *SQUEE*' love it in a "It's so bad it's good" way

[Shadowman99]

I'd like to take this moment to point out that this exact image you've chosen to demonstrate Liefeld's alleged improvements was in fact also used in the exact opposite manner in the famous 40 MORE of the Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings article, as seen at: http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/ ... d-drawings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Personally I don't care either way for whichever case in point is correct: I just find the absolute irony here funny as *SQUEE*

[kjjohanson]

I'd like to take this moment to point out that this exact image you've chosen to demonstrate Liefeld's alleged improvements was in fact also used in the exact opposite manner in the famous 40 MORE of the Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings article, as seen at: http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/ ... d-drawings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Personally I don't care either way for whichever case in point is correct: I just find the absolute irony here funny as *SQUEE*

Yeah, I'm seeing something in each of those images that demonstrates that Liefeld hasn't done much to improve the areas where he's lacking.
Hawk & Dove:
• what's going on with those hands? Hawk's looks like a solid mound of I-don't-know-what and Dove's is all mangled
• still doesn't know what a foot looks like
• the understanding seems to be there that things closer to the viewer increase in size, but they shouldn't do so as drastically as those pouches on the guy on the left
• (this is most likely the colorist's fault, so I'm not slamming Liefeld for it, but thought it worth pointing out):each of those holes in the roof has a different light source

Deadpool:
• Unless we know that Liefeld was responsible for the color work on this, I don't see that it shows any improvement from his work from the '90s
• still doesn't know what a foot looks like

Flying Car:
• Liefeld's been in the business for over 20 years and his work still shows no evidence that human beings express emotion on their faces.

[mateo107]

Here's the first cover I viewed on eBay after leaving this thread. Wow, we better start making disparaging remarks about this artist too.

I would say Liam Sharp improved since the 90's.

[Chiclo]

I've actually come to like Liefeld after following him on Twitter for a while. Don't always agree with him but I think he is personable and interesting, and he's definitely a big name in the history of comic books.

But that Turok cover does kinda suck.

He's always talking about sports so he loses me about half the time.

[Spylocke]

I can't speak for everyone but I wouldn't find the poke's at Rob Liefeld's work if he wasn't so successful. It's like mocking the latest shallow pop song. Sure, it's low hanging fruit but people get shocked and annoyed when something they perceive as mediocre attains mainstream success.

It also doesn't help that he was part of the 90's style shift that some of us older readers find embarrassing. It's like seeing your old junior high photos with your MC Hammer pants and Vanilla Ice Haircut.
I just showed my age, didn't I?

Personally, I remember hating the art work of other artists back then more like Jae Lee and Larry Stroman but I've seen a greater improvement of their work than Liefeld's.

[Heath]

Back in the day, I thought Rick Leonardi was a slightly better Rob Liefeld. His anatomy was almost as bad, especially feet. They looked like big pointy flipper things. I hated whenever he filled in on an issue of Spider-Man.

[lorddunlow]

It also doesn't help that he was part of the 90's style shift that some of us older readers find embarrassing. It's like seeing your old junior high photos with your MC Hammer pants and Vanilla Ice Haircut.
I just showed my age, didn't I?

I wanted to post a picture of one of the Memphis Grizzlies cheerleaders last night from the game to this thread (It's funny you mention Hammer pants because that's what they were all wearing last night), but could not figure out a way without a) seeming like a perv or b) getting questioned endlessly by my wife (to whom I'm sure "it relates to this Rob Liefield thread on VF.com" would be an inadequate reason for taking said picture).

Anyway, she is a real live human female who very closely resembles a Rob Liefield character - mainly in regards to angle of lower back. While she does not have a 90 degree angle, I would really place it at about 120-135 degrees. It's disturbing to see on a real person. As I said, I would have loved to share a picture, but, you know...

[depluto]

[myron]

that's frickin awesome!

[Heath]

Too much neck.