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I'm surprised no one posted this yet but DC is going through some massive layoffs at the moment.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-comi ... right-now/

There's more but it's a lot to wade through. Before someone starts hitting the death-knell realize that this is AT&T laying people off all over WarnerMedia. They've got A LOT OF DEBT and Covid probably didn't help

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I read one of Rich's articles about this yesterday and thought about posting it here but was just overall hit by sadness at the possible thought of the decline of comic books which I hope is not true but hard to avoid the feeling as:
we loyal lifelong fans age
the world turns away from print and toward digital
print runs and readership decline (seemingly)
comic stores close
Valiant repeats Shooter/Dinesh getting ousted and Acclaim/DMG takeover with decline in quality
gimmick covers of the 1990's vs. variant covers of the 2010's
Valiant closing their office space
DC layoffs

I have a handful of favorite things in this world and in my life of 47 years and comic books have been with me longer than any of the others.

It's just sad and sometimes too sad to write about.

But at the end of all that I see how much love the Marvel Cinematic Universe has created and endeared for the characters and stories and I have hope and will remain hopeful despite these temporary episodes of sadness. The form and delivery may change but I don't think "comics" are going anywhere anytime soon.
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DC is definitely putting a lot of the print business to bed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Valiant does the same.

Marvel still seems to be plugging away with the Direct Market, with just a few casualties.

We still have a lot of indie producers producing great stuff.

But yeah, the comic industry may never be the same.

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nycjadie wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:09:27 pm
DC is definitely putting a lot of the print business to bed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Valiant does the same.

Marvel still seems to be plugging away with the Direct Market, with just a few casualties.

We still have a lot of indie producers producing great stuff.

But yeah, the comic industry may never be the same.
It might need to evolve a little and this might help. Big on the might though. The new AT&T guy I guess is all in on expanding the brand and digital and streaming. So yeah getting floppies from DC might be fewer and far between with digital and OGN picking up the slack.

Until actual information comes out instead of all the rumor mongering feedback loop that we've found ourselves in we just don't know. What ever changes made could either give the industry a much needed kick in the *SQUEE* or kill it.

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I can’t remember the last time I ordered a new DC comic. Maybe I am a part of the problem, and the corporate people are just reacting to many people like me, who haven’t bought a DC comic in a while. Maybe if I and other like-minded folks had bought more of their comics of decreasing quality... they’d probably still be withdrawing from a dying medium. What do I know? I have a subscription to my local newspaper still.

I can probably count on one hand the number of DC comics I have pre-ordered since they separated their comic pre-orders out of Previews magazine. And now they have even discontinued that!

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So, Death Metal, DC's latest BIG event is supposed to be an "Anti-Crisis" where at the end we'll realise that "everything/every story matters". Snyder's words.
I take from this that DC is going to give up on a shared linewide continuity for future monthlies- and with these more recent news, I also take it that there will be a LOT less monthly "paper" comics and that digital and collections is the new way they'll do most of their business. :?

I assume that the big guys like Batman and Superman will probably have their books as usual, but the New Gods books, for a random example, will probably be now available as a digital offering only AND If its good and it sells, then print a tpb. From Jim Lee's talk today, it sure sounds like that.
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I just read Mile High Comic's newsletter and ole Chuck seems to think most of DC's print will be dead.I don't think it will be that drastic. Personally, I don't care whether DC loses 50% of the print titles out there. Of course I am only interested in Wonder Woman Dead Earth, The Question, Last God, and the new Batman White Knight_ Harley series. Very few titles interest me, and the only Marvel books I am buying are Conan related (House of X was good, but there are way to many X books).

I hope DC doesn't cut the Last God and Batman White Knight but maybe a focus on a few titles will make them better. Back issues seem better and better to me everyday.

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tarheelmarine wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:47:05 am
I just read Mile High Comic's newsletter and ole Chuck seems to think most of DC's print will be dead.I don't think it will be that drastic. Personally, I don't care whether DC loses 50% of the print titles out there. Of course I am only interested in Wonder Woman Dead Earth, The Question, Last God, and the new Batman White Knight_ Harley series. Very few titles interest me, and the only Marvel books I am buying are Conan related (House of X was good, but there are way to many X books).

I hope DC doesn't cut the Last God and Batman White Knight but maybe a focus on a few titles will make them better. Back issues seem better and better to me everyday.
Chuck's newsletter was interesting to me in that it said that most of the management was let go. I wonder how bad the team has been decimated. I feel like COVID is quickening the long slow decline of the comic hobby as we know it.

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nycjadie wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:39:59 am
tarheelmarine wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:47:05 am
I just read Mile High Comic's newsletter and ole Chuck seems to think most of DC's print will be dead.I don't think it will be that drastic. Personally, I don't care whether DC loses 50% of the print titles out there. Of course I am only interested in Wonder Woman Dead Earth, The Question, Last God, and the new Batman White Knight_ Harley series. Very few titles interest me, and the only Marvel books I am buying are Conan related (House of X was good, but there are way to many X books).

I hope DC doesn't cut the Last God and Batman White Knight but maybe a focus on a few titles will make them better. Back issues seem better and better to me everyday.
Chuck's newsletter was interesting to me in that it said that most of the management was let go. I wonder how bad the team has been decimated. I feel like COVID is quickening the long slow decline of the comic hobby as we know it.
I agree that COVID hasn't helped. What other factors do you guys think has led to the decline in readership across the hobby so badly that this is happening?

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IMJ wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:07:14 pm
nycjadie wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:39:59 am
tarheelmarine wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:47:05 am
I just read Mile High Comic's newsletter and ole Chuck seems to think most of DC's print will be dead.I don't think it will be that drastic. Personally, I don't care whether DC loses 50% of the print titles out there. Of course I am only interested in Wonder Woman Dead Earth, The Question, Last God, and the new Batman White Knight_ Harley series. Very few titles interest me, and the only Marvel books I am buying are Conan related (House of X was good, but there are way to many X books).

I hope DC doesn't cut the Last God and Batman White Knight but maybe a focus on a few titles will make them better. Back issues seem better and better to me everyday.
Chuck's newsletter was interesting to me in that it said that most of the management was let go. I wonder how bad the team has been decimated. I feel like COVID is quickening the long slow decline of the comic hobby as we know it.
I agree that COVID hasn't helped. What other factors do you guys think has led to the decline in readership across the hobby so badly that this is happening?
Kids don’t seem interested in serialized comics. Far fewer adults are as well. Comic characters are still valuable. Cons have never been bigger. However, people seem less interested in comic books as we grew up with them. They want Pop figures, video games, movies, tchotchkes, etc.

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nycjadie wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:22:09 pm
IMJ wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:07:14 pm
nycjadie wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:39:59 am
tarheelmarine wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:47:05 am
I just read Mile High Comic's newsletter and ole Chuck seems to think most of DC's print will be dead.I don't think it will be that drastic. Personally, I don't care whether DC loses 50% of the print titles out there. Of course I am only interested in Wonder Woman Dead Earth, The Question, Last God, and the new Batman White Knight_ Harley series. Very few titles interest me, and the only Marvel books I am buying are Conan related (House of X was good, but there are way to many X books).

I hope DC doesn't cut the Last God and Batman White Knight but maybe a focus on a few titles will make them better. Back issues seem better and better to me everyday.
Chuck's newsletter was interesting to me in that it said that most of the management was let go. I wonder how bad the team has been decimated. I feel like COVID is quickening the long slow decline of the comic hobby as we know it.
I agree that COVID hasn't helped. What other factors do you guys think has led to the decline in readership across the hobby so badly that this is happening?
Kids don’t seem interested in serialized comics. Far fewer adults are as well. Comic characters are still valuable. Cons have never been bigger. However, people seem less interested in comic books as we grew up with them. They want Pop figures, video games, movies, tchotchkes, etc.
COVID has shown how fragile the direct market system is, and how our retailers are living week to week and are dependent on new product. It's sad to see livelihoods taken away (I have not seen any stores shutdown in NOLA or Raleigh, and there are none in Japan) and Diamond's decision to cease distributing which resulted in DC going it's own way has not helped with books getting to stores in a timely manner. The inconsistency in shipping is going to hurt. Marvel is struggling in this area as well. As much as I like Conan, if the books don't ship soon then I am likely to drop the books.

As far as kids go, our industry has not capitalized on the format in which kids prefer to read comics. My kids love Diary of a Wimpy Kid and Dogman which are not in a serialized format. I know all of us have commented on the price point of a serial comic is prohibitive to a kid, heck it's prohibitive to most adults. Dogman has 240 pages for $9-$14 depending on which vendor you purchase the book.

Many on this board have commented on how the big two have not maintained faith with the core group of comic buyers. I agree. That is one reason I don't follow what I grew up reading and have branched into Image and other independents. Perhaps if the big two cancel the majority of the books they are publishing and focus on producing stories that don't require a crossover, etc then it might be less confusing to new readers that venture into a store.

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nycjadie wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:22:09 pm
IMJ wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:07:14 pm
nycjadie wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:39:59 am
tarheelmarine wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:47:05 am
I just read Mile High Comic's newsletter and ole Chuck seems to think most of DC's print will be dead.I don't think it will be that drastic. Personally, I don't care whether DC loses 50% of the print titles out there. Of course I am only interested in Wonder Woman Dead Earth, The Question, Last God, and the new Batman White Knight_ Harley series. Very few titles interest me, and the only Marvel books I am buying are Conan related (House of X was good, but there are way to many X books).

I hope DC doesn't cut the Last God and Batman White Knight but maybe a focus on a few titles will make them better. Back issues seem better and better to me everyday.
Chuck's newsletter was interesting to me in that it said that most of the management was let go. I wonder how bad the team has been decimated. I feel like COVID is quickening the long slow decline of the comic hobby as we know it.
I agree that COVID hasn't helped. What other factors do you guys think has led to the decline in readership across the hobby so badly that this is happening?
Kids don’t seem interested in serialized comics. Far fewer adults are as well. Comic characters are still valuable. Cons have never been bigger. However, people seem less interested in comic books as we grew up with them. They want Pop figures, video games, movies, tchotchkes, etc.
Add manga and anime too.I don't like the pop figures because sometimes i dont even know who the characters are without seeing a name and they look cheaply made.
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IMJ wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:07:14 pm
I agree that COVID hasn't helped. What other factors do you guys think has led to the decline in readership across the hobby so badly that this is happening?
Overall lack of quality / entertainment value for the money is big factor. Only crazy folks (us) would pay $3.99 for five or ten minutes of (often questionable) entertainment.

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Tim wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:12:35 pm
IMJ wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:07:14 pm
I agree that COVID hasn't helped. What other factors do you guys think has led to the decline in readership across the hobby so badly that this is happening?
Overall lack of quality / entertainment value for the money is big factor. Only crazy folks (us) would pay $3.99 for five or ten minutes of (often questionable) entertainment.
Agreed on this. And even those crazy folks are jumping ship I think with the added influence regarding how many of these companies chose to embrace "diversity publishing", and not only that but market it as if it was a new thing or something. People can be apologists for this, or outright deniers, but look at the state of the industry with or without COVID.

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IMJ wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:58:46 pm
Tim wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:12:35 pm
IMJ wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:07:14 pm
I agree that COVID hasn't helped. What other factors do you guys think has led to the decline in readership across the hobby so badly that this is happening?
Overall lack of quality / entertainment value for the money is big factor. Only crazy folks (us) would pay $3.99 for five or ten minutes of (often questionable) entertainment.
Agreed on this. And even those crazy folks are jumping ship I think with the added influence regarding how many of these companies chose to embrace "diversity publishing", and not only that but market it as if it was a new thing or something. People can be apologists for this, or outright deniers, but look at the state of the industry with or without COVID.
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