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Dr Tomorrow #4 (2020)

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Quick recap of where we’re at.

Former Valiant editor and first time writer is allowed to write VEI’s first multi-verse story and cram in all of Valiant’s characters for no apparent reason.

Former senior editor, Robert Meyers, wanted a book he could give to kids at conventions. So now we now have this book with art seemingly to appeal to under 12’s but with a slightly convoluted story about Dr Tomorrow, a new character, that we’re suppose to care about in this story that could effect trillions of people across multiple universes where different versions of himself keep showing up and doing battle.

Difficult to care about this book, the character has no history in the Valiant U so therefore there’s no emotional connection as to why this matters. Wallpapering all of the A list characters into the background doesn’t add impact it just lessens bringing all the characters together.

Not a very interesting read and that last panel was cringingly cliched (is this Valiant’s Peter Parker?).

2.5/5 - read Black Science for how this story can be done much more interestingly

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I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
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SwiftMann wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.

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Re: Dr Tomorrow #4 (2020)

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Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess.
Pretty sure that's not just his suit but Hadrian being dead in his suit and having his face covered.

Bart says "I figured...maybe the control on his suit could backtrack." Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to find Hadrian's alternate universe and Gretchen. That actually makes sense. As for the vile: It would have certainly better to see Bart holding it first, or somebody taking it from Hardrian's suit.

It's a pretty weird story but the weirdest thing is this.....

https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-book ... tomorrow/4

8.7 out of 10 -- is everybody out of their mind?

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16:24 pm
SwiftMann wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.
Page 10
Bart: When my dad gets home, he won't know where I am! And I have to get back before Doctor Tomorrow blows up the universe!
Gretchen: There's no rush. The transponder in your suit will take you back home the very second you left.

This is rated T+. I feel like you are leaping to this "all ages" idea because of the art style, which isn't the case.
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Re: Dr Tomorrow #4 (2020)

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SwiftMann wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:03:44 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16:24 pm
SwiftMann wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.
Page 10
Bart: When my dad gets home, he won't know where I am! And I have to get back before Doctor Tomorrow blows up the universe!
Gretchen: There's no rush. The transponder in your suit will take you back home the very second you left.

This is rated T+. I feel like you are leaping to this "all ages" idea because of the art style, which isn't the case.
The all ages thing comes from an interview Robert Meyers gave about a kid at a convention and he wanted a book he could hand to all ages.

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
SwiftMann wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:03:44 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16:24 pm
SwiftMann wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.
Page 10
Bart: When my dad gets home, he won't know where I am! And I have to get back before Doctor Tomorrow blows up the universe!
Gretchen: There's no rush. The transponder in your suit will take you back home the very second you left.

This is rated T+. I feel like you are leaping to this "all ages" idea because of the art style, which isn't the case.
The all ages thing comes from an interview Robert Meyers gave about a kid at a convention and he wanted a book he could hand to all ages.
Well *SQUEE*. Maybe we should round up all the copies and burn them? How dare he attempt to reach an audience beyond the current crop of readers!

I know it’s the only book coming out right now from VALIANT and that sucks that it’s not a traditional VU tentpole...but come on...give the unreasonable negativity a rest.


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Re: Dr Tomorrow #4 (2020)

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BugsySig wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:30:38 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
SwiftMann wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:03:44 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16:24 pm
SwiftMann wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.
Page 10
Bart: When my dad gets home, he won't know where I am! And I have to get back before Doctor Tomorrow blows up the universe!
Gretchen: There's no rush. The transponder in your suit will take you back home the very second you left.

This is rated T+. I feel like you are leaping to this "all ages" idea because of the art style, which isn't the case.
The all ages thing comes from an interview Robert Meyers gave about a kid at a convention and he wanted a book he could hand to all ages.
Well *SQUEE*. Maybe we should round up all the copies and burn them? How dare he attempt to reach an audience beyond the current crop of readers!

I know it’s the only book coming out right now from VALIANT and that sucks that it’s not a traditional VU tentpole...but come on...give the unreasonable negativity a rest.


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Aside from Rai and LADOTH how many books in the last 2 years were aimed at the current crop of readers??

Our interest what demographic is this book aimed at ? Have you even read it?

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Re: Dr Tomorrow #4 (2020)

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:30:45 pm
SwiftMann wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:03:44 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16:24 pm
SwiftMann wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.
Page 10
Bart: When my dad gets home, he won't know where I am! And I have to get back before Doctor Tomorrow blows up the universe!
Gretchen: There's no rush. The transponder in your suit will take you back home the very second you left.

This is rated T+. I feel like you are leaping to this "all ages" idea because of the art style, which isn't the case.
The all ages thing comes from an interview Robert Meyers gave about a kid at a convention and he wanted a book he could hand to all ages.
Well, that's not what this book is at all. I certainly wouldn't give this to my 10 year old who loves Sonic and Disney comics. And less so about whether or not its easy to follow. I think he'd generally track it (he gets all the Sonic nonsense that's gone on for the last few years). This series is way too violent for him.
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Re: Dr Tomorrow #4 (2020)

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:30:38 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
SwiftMann wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:03:44 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16:24 pm
SwiftMann wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:21:04 pm
I was good with the writing on this until the turn at the end. Kid is worried his dad will "come looking for him" but upon learning he goes back to the same moment in time chooses to age 10(?) years before returning? Pretty sure dad is going to be more upset about that. That's just a stupid plot decision by everyone in the book and the writing.

Then there's the art, which, stylistically speaking, I have no problem with. I actually prefer more comic booky/cartoony/fluid art in general. BUT, he has Hadrian's suit when he arrives? I guess. It's in Gretchen's apartment all the sudden. We never set before that. Then when she "yoinks" the purple tube from Bart on page 10 we NEVER saw anyone with that before that panel. That's just bad storytelling, no matter the art style.
I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.
Page 10
Bart: When my dad gets home, he won't know where I am! And I have to get back before Doctor Tomorrow blows up the universe!
Gretchen: There's no rush. The transponder in your suit will take you back home the very second you left.

This is rated T+. I feel like you are leaping to this "all ages" idea because of the art style, which isn't the case.
The all ages thing comes from an interview Robert Meyers gave about a kid at a convention and he wanted a book he could hand to all ages.
Well *SQUEE*. Maybe we should round up all the copies and burn them? How dare he attempt to reach an audience beyond the current crop of readers!

I know it’s the only book coming out right now from VALIANT and that sucks that it’s not a traditional VU tentpole...but come on...give the unreasonable negativity a rest.


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Aside from Rai and LADOTH how many books in the last 2 years were aimed at the current crop of readers??

Our interest what demographic is this book aimed at ? Have you even read it?
Yes i *SQUEE* read it. It’s fine. It’s not great, but it’s a perfectly average comic book that some people here like. We all know you just hang around here *SQUEE* about everything DMG Valiant puts out. If you don’t like a story or art, fine, but why is it so *SQUEE* personal to you that a senior editor said he wanted a book that could appeal to all ages? Afraid everyone isn’t pandering to the middle-aged white man anymore? The whole reason DMG took ownership of VEI was because they weren’t successful enough to pay off their debts. So why not do something different? I get that stuff has sucked...but it’s not because it’s different, it’s because the writing and art suck. So just say that and then go read something from Image or Boom that maybe you’ll like...


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Re: Dr Tomorrow #4 (2020)

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BugsySig wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:06:08 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:30:38 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
SwiftMann wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:03:44 pm
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:16:24 pm

I don’t remember him mentioning his dad in this issue (maybe I zoned out). If this book was aimed at all ages then I don’t think it’s an easy story to follow.
Page 10
Bart: When my dad gets home, he won't know where I am! And I have to get back before Doctor Tomorrow blows up the universe!
Gretchen: There's no rush. The transponder in your suit will take you back home the very second you left.

This is rated T+. I feel like you are leaping to this "all ages" idea because of the art style, which isn't the case.
The all ages thing comes from an interview Robert Meyers gave about a kid at a convention and he wanted a book he could hand to all ages.
Well *SQUEE*. Maybe we should round up all the copies and burn them? How dare he attempt to reach an audience beyond the current crop of readers!

I know it’s the only book coming out right now from VALIANT and that sucks that it’s not a traditional VU tentpole...but come on...give the unreasonable negativity a rest.


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Aside from Rai and LADOTH how many books in the last 2 years were aimed at the current crop of readers??

Our interest what demographic is this book aimed at ? Have you even read it?
Yes i *SQUEE* read it. It’s fine. It’s not great, but it’s a perfectly average comic book that some people here like. We all know you just hang around here *SQUEE* about everything DMG Valiant puts out. If you don’t like a story or art, fine, but why is it so *SQUEE* personal to you that a senior editor said he wanted a book that could appeal to all ages? Afraid everyone isn’t pandering to the middle-aged white man anymore? The whole reason DMG took ownership of VEI was because they weren’t successful enough to pay off their debts. So why not do something different? I get that stuff has sucked...but it’s not because it’s different, it’s because the writing and art suck. So just say that and then go read something from Image or Boom that maybe you’ll like...


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I think you hastily grabbed a copy on Comixology and you wouldn’t have bought it until I challenged you on it. I’ll also say I support good books and the reviews (which I mostly initiate these days) will prove that eg Rai, LADOTH and FCBD 2020. I don’t recall you reviewing many books, do you even read bro?

You talk about me taking it personally that they don’t cater for white middle aged readers even though that’s essentially the vast majority of comic readers and probably people on this site.

You wonder why after supporting a company for many many years and spending god knows how much money on its product that I don’t just walk away because it’s ‘changed’ (or sucks to use your words)? I assume you like football or basketball. Imagine supporting a team over many years then a new coach comes in and they start losing game after game. There’s an emotional attachment. You don’t just go walk away and start supporting the Washington Beavers or whoever.

Your issue is the opposite. Your white guilt complex means you’re happy for any old *SQUEE* as long as it’s not for straight, white males. You would rather have ‘change’ and see the company fail in the name of (fake) progressiveness, just so you can feel good and ease that pesky guilt.

I think you just like to criticise anyone who doesn’t blindly accept a lesser product with open arms or drink the DMG cool aid I think is the phrase. Just let go of the guilt, you don’t need to carry it and call the books how you honestly see them (if do you actually buy them).

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BugsySig wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:30:38 pm

I know it’s the only book coming out right now from VALIANT and that sucks that it’s not a traditional VU tentpole...but come on...give the unreasonable negativity a rest.
Agreed. I've struggled as well with negativity in general since we're all going through this crazy pandemic together...but seriously folks, find the light and the joy in what we have. I'm enjoying this title and appreciate when things are approached differently with new/existing characters.
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