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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:32:26 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:15:49 pm 
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Enjoyed this tale from Arics’s past. Kindt weaving an interesting story here and I understand why he’s gone this route whilst HW2 is on. Hairsine’s art is a welcome addition (as was last month’s issue). Looking forward to seeing how this arc plays out before Aric’s gets back to current timeline.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:46:12 am 
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Sorry, I just don't get this at all. Why do I always get the feeling when I read this X-O book that the last thing Kindt wants to write is an X-O Manowar book? X-O is not a historical drama about a no-personality Conan clone and the social injustices of 4th century Italy. I get that it's his backstory, but to me there has to be a really compelling reason or a really great story to spend any time in his past. I'm not seeing that here.

I also question the timing of this kind of arc. X-O is the only book that seems to have kept a little momentum after the relaunch, holding steady at around 10,000 I think. Throwing a whole arc into the past with no seeming relevance to the current story kills all the momentum (imo) and more casual readers will drift away.

I understand that they don't want to cross storylines with HW2, but for one thing Kindt is writing both so how hard would it be? And he had already been out in space for the entire series so they could have just kept him there with a small note saying 'this takes place before HW2'.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:45:40 pm 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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Sorry, I just don't get this at all. Why do I always get the feeling when I read this X-O book that the last thing Kindt wants to write is an X-O Manowar book? X-O is not a historical drama about a no-personality Conan clone and the social injustices of 4th century Italy. I get that it's his backstory, but to me there has to be a really compelling reason or a really great story to spend any time in his past. I'm not seeing that here.

I also question the timing of this kind of arc. X-O is the only book that seems to have kept a little momentum after the relaunch, holding steady at around 10,000 I think. Throwing a whole arc into the past with no seeming relevance to the current story kills all the momentum (imo) and more casual readers will drift away.

I understand that they don't want to cross storylines with HW2, but for one thing Kindt is writing both so how hard would it be? And he had already been out in space for the entire series so they could have just kept him there with a small note saying 'this takes place before HW2'.


Not to sound snarky here or anything, but how do you not get this story line? From the beginning, Kindt told you what kind of book it was going to be, where he was going with all of this story. Why does Aric always find himself in war? From the moment he lands on Gorin, he ends up in a fight (FCBD, 2017). He then gets drafted and is off to war, he becomes Emperor.... War always finds him, or should I say he always finds war or a reason to fight. Why? This arc is really answering this fundamental question, and I think it's brilliant!

I mean, even Clayton Crain's run, where it's extremely dark, symbolized his rise to the Emperor, and the fall from that position, so that he could find another conflict. It's his fundamental flaw, one that he just can't seem to fix. In this arc, we find the root of exactly what Aric is doing time and time again, except he's not on a foreign planet, it's his own back yard. The armor is spelling out his flaw, trying to point out what Aric is doing wrong by showing him his memories/ his history.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:28:20 pm 
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Not to sound snarky here or anything, but how do you not get this story line? From the beginning, Kindt told you what kind of book it was going to be, where he was going with all of this story. Why does Aric always find himself in war? From the moment he lands on Gorin, he ends up in a fight (FCBD, 2017). He then gets drafted and is off to war, he becomes Emperor.... War always finds him, or should I say he always finds war or a reason to fight. Why? This arc is really answering this fundamental question, and I think it's brilliant!

I mean, even Clayton Crain's run, where it's extremely dark, symbolized his rise to the Emperor, and the fall from that position, so that he could find another conflict. It's his fundamental flaw, one that he just can't seem to fix. In this arc, we find the root of exactly what Aric is doing time and time again, except he's not on a foreign planet, it's his own back yard. The armor is spelling out his flaw, trying to point out what Aric is doing wrong by showing him his memories/ his history.


I guess since I'm a more casual reader I don't see the deeper themes he's been developing. This is the beginning of a whole new arc, so it should be able to be enjoyed on it's own as well. I just think if they're going to do so much X-O without his armor, then Aric and the storyline better be darn compelling, I'm just not feeling it in this issue.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:09:23 am 
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Ryan wrote:
TheeBaldMoose wrote:
Not to sound snarky here or anything, but how do you not get this story line? From the beginning, Kindt told you what kind of book it was going to be, where he was going with all of this story. Why does Aric always find himself in war? From the moment he lands on Gorin, he ends up in a fight (FCBD, 2017). He then gets drafted and is off to war, he becomes Emperor.... War always finds him, or should I say he always finds war or a reason to fight. Why? This arc is really answering this fundamental question, and I think it's brilliant!

I mean, even Clayton Crain's run, where it's extremely dark, symbolized his rise to the Emperor, and the fall from that position, so that he could find another conflict. It's his fundamental flaw, one that he just can't seem to fix. In this arc, we find the root of exactly what Aric is doing time and time again, except he's not on a foreign planet, it's his own back yard. The armor is spelling out his flaw, trying to point out what Aric is doing wrong by showing him his memories/ his history.


I guess since I'm a more casual reader I don't see the deeper themes he's been developing. This is the beginning of a whole new arc, so it should be able to be enjoyed on it's own as well. I just think if they're going to do so much X-O without his armor, then Aric and the storyline better be darn compelling, I'm just not feeling it in this issue.


The background here doesn't really add to that at all, I am in 100% agreement with you. Just too much filler/backstory in these recent valiant books rather than pushing character forward and developing new stories all around. With this young of a universe there's no reason to do this all the time. If it were one odd issue it'd be one thing but it's fairly consistent across the line these days.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:25:53 am 
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Favorite character: X-O Manowar
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Ok, on one hand I get that people want X-O back on earth interacting with the other Valiant characters. With his exploits on Gorin for a year I can understand other fans disappointment.
Personally, I don’t feel that way. I’m just happy that a X-O comic is still be produced. Think of how the Rai and Eternal Warrior fans feel now that their character doesn’t have a ongoing monthly title. I’m happy to follow X-O adventures where ever they lead. Although..., I’m ever eager to see X-O have an adventure with another X-O armor... any one from the Dead Hand storyline would be great.
So, take away the timing of the release of this ‘past’ storyline and let’s judge it in and of itself....
I feel this ‘before the armor’ storyline is very bold and what makes Valiant different than other comic companies. Not many companies would take a chance on releasing a storyline of their hero without the ‘special’ ability or in the character’s alter ego, especially in the regular comic, not some one shot or miniseries. It’s like a storyline of Superman where he’s just Clark Kent or Tony Stark without the Iron Man Suit.
I like the story so far.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:15:06 pm 
Mmm, I was drooling over Cooshie tonight.
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While I enjoyed the issue and the arc, I, too, am wondering a little bit about where this is headed. Maybe that's a good thing.


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