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The problem with putting specific dates comes down to the decompression of comic books. Back in the 90s you could fit a full story into a single issue, and VH1's timeline system benefited from that. Nowadays that same story can easily take 4-5 issues, which means there's not a whole lot changing all at once for a monthly comic.

I also don't think the "months pass between issues" idea works anymore. The arcs are flowing too seamlessly. A&A's the only Valiant comic that I could maybe sorta see spanning large lengths of time, what with all the world spanning and Faraway hijinks. In fact, I'd be amazed if the arcs for XO and Bloodshot occurred more than a week from each other.

With all that said, while I do think we have to assume comic book time is in full effect I can also see it all occurring in one jam-packed as hell year. I give props to the timeline for trying to work with what's given without stretching for more than what's there.

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Watchtower wrote:The problem with putting specific dates comes down to the decompression of comic books. Back in the 90s you could fit a full story into a single issue, and VH1's timeline system benefited from that. Nowadays that same story can easily take 4-5 issues, which means there's not a whole lot changing all at once for a monthly comic.

I also don't think the "months pass between issues" idea works anymore. The arcs are flowing too seamlessly. A&A's the only Valiant comic that I could maybe sorta see spanning large lengths of time, what with all the world spanning and Faraway hijinks. In fact, I'd be amazed if the arcs for XO and Bloodshot occurred more than a week from each other.

With all that said, while I do think we have to assume comic book time is in full effect I can also see it all occurring in one jam-packed as hell year. I give props to the timeline for trying to work with what's given without stretching for more than what's there.
Thanks.

As for the timeline, it is tough as very few exact dates are given, and references to time passing (between arcs or whatever) are even more rare.

We've only had a few specific dates so far: August 2012 in Harbinger #0, January 2013 in Harbinger ongoing (#13 I believe), Halloween 2013 in Shadowman #11, and November 5, 2013 in the most recent A&A.

However, that indicates at least a year has passed in their timeline since XO #1. It's possible to assume Harbinger #0 occurs before the rest of the series since (if I recall correctly), there's no mention of Peter or the events from the ongoing, so it could be placed before or after the series beginning. But, given the January 2013 date occurring in Harbinger during the Harbinger Wars crossover that means Harbinger #1 would occur in November 2012, since there's a one month jump during the first arc while Peter's at the Harbinger Foundation. That would only leave a couple weeks to a month for him to track down the various Renegades and recruit them, as well as for his broken arm to heal which occurred at the end of the first arc, which would take a few months at least.

As for XO, I don't think much time happens between the first few arcs, however I think a fair amount of time occurs after the Planet Death arc as the Vine ship carrying Aric and his people travels back to Earth. While he travels extremely fast in just the suit, the Vine ship, while likely capable of fast travel (faster than light speed likely), it would still take awhile based on the vast distances in space.

Eventually I'm going to do a huge read through of all the issues released so far and double check for any mistakes I made or things I missed, but I'm pretty OCD so I'm quite confident in everything so far.

That said, generally I think its safe to assume a real time progression of the fictional timeline using the real world timeline as a basis. However, as you noted, each arc's issues tend to follow immediately after the previous one. So this tends to force a few month gap between each arc to align the timeline as such. This is also why I don't use specific months for placements unless they're specifically given in the issue itself, which as stated is pretty rare. But I'd say XO, Harbinger, Bloodshot, and A&A began (in Valiant's timeline) in Summer 2012, the same as when the relaunch happened. The most recent issue of Shadowman (#13) revealed Jack had only been Shadowman for a few months, and with #11 occurring on Halloween I'd say that shows Shadowman beginning during Summer 2013 and going right up to Fall/Winter 2013 with #13.

Eternal Warrior occurs sometime in 2010, and next arc will bring us to 4001. Q&W just mentioned or alluded to the Sect Civil War in its most recent issue, and since the second arc of Q&W occurs immediately after the first, I'd assume Q&W #1-8 occur soon after the current arc of A&A. As for A&A's timeline, with all the globe trotting it's easier to assume and account for several month gaps between arcs.

The crossovers, like Harbinger Wars, Unity, and the upcoming A&A/Bloodshot crossover are helpful in terms of the timeline as they show a concurrence between the titles.

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Updated for Shadowman #13X, thanks to jthuconn for mailing me a copy. Will update for today's releases tonight or tomorrow.

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Updated for Harbinger #19, Archer & Armstrong #16, and Unity #2.

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Updated for X-O Manowar #20, Bloodshot and HARD Corps #17, and Eternal Warrior #4.

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Updated for Harbinger #20, Archer & Armstrong #17, and Unity #3.

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Updated for X-O Manowar #21 and Eternal Warrior #5.

Special thanks to Magnusr for pointing out a correction for Harbinger #20's "Now" portion.

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Updated for Archer & Armstrong - Archer #0 and Shadowman #15.

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Updated for Harbinger #21 and Eternal Warrior #6.

I also added all the announced upcoming new titles through September for the Valiant Firsts new titles and all the existing titles.

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Updated the upcoming releases based on May's solicitations.

Interestingly, looks like Eternal Warrior is taking a break. There's no EW issue in May, likely as a way to make room for all the Valiant First titles. I'm guessing it'll take a 3-4 month break and start up again in October.

I'm also thinking Shadowman (the ongoing) will take a several month break after End Times finishes, with that supernatural corner of the Valiant verse being filled by Dr. Mirage.

I'm also thinking Delinquents may be a one-shot, or a four issue mini and another of the ongoings (maybe Q&W) will take a break while that releases.

This Valiant Firsts thing is wreaking havoc with my solicitation scheduling.

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Updated for X-O Manowar #22 and Bloodshot and H.A.R.D. Corps - H.A.R.D. Corps #0

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Sorry if I missed this somewhere in the thread, but how do you account for the events taking place in the Faraway?
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Keith wrote:Sorry if I missed this somewhere in the thread, but how do you account for the events taking place in the Faraway?
So far I'm just placing them in "present day". Obviously Faraway features time and space distortions of some kind, so that makes it just about impossible to accurately place them. It would also not make sense to place the A&A arc taking place in Faraway in the past, since it would make no sense were some diehard actually to read it in the timeline order. So the scenes with Faraway in A&A #0 are set at the beginning of the timeline (the earliest date in the Valiant universe shown so far), and the modern day Faraway scenes from the A&A arc are placed following the previous arc and before the next.

However, as for Ivar's time travel (shown in the issue with him and Armstrong traveling through time drinking heavily), those are placed in italics to denote the time travel aspect.

Any suggestions are always welcome, though.

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Very nice and dedicated work.
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DIrishB wrote:Updated for X-O Manowar #22 and Bloodshot and H.A.R.D. Corps - H.A.R.D. Corps #0
Yes good work!

Just wondering, how does Bloodshot #0 and HARDCorps #0 matched up, I only saw BS0 under 1992 / 1993.
Is that right?

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Keith wrote:Sorry if I missed this somewhere in the thread, but how do you account for the events taking place in the Faraway?
So far I'm just placing them in "present day". Obviously Faraway features time and space distortions of some kind, so that makes it just about impossible to accurately place them. It would also not make sense to place the A&A arc taking place in Faraway in the past, since it would make no sense were some diehard actually to read it in the timeline order. So the scenes with Faraway in A&A #0 are set at the beginning of the timeline (the earliest date in the Valiant universe shown so far), and the modern day Faraway scenes from the A&A arc are placed following the previous arc and before the next.

However, as for Ivar's time travel (shown in the issue with him and Armstrong traveling through time drinking heavily), those are placed in italics to denote the time travel aspect.

Any suggestions are always welcome, though.
Might I suggest a separate timeline for the Faraway (since I imagine we'll end up seeing others enter the Faraway in future issues)?
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obijuan wrote:Very nice and dedicated work.
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DIrishB wrote:Updated for X-O Manowar #22 and Bloodshot and H.A.R.D. Corps - H.A.R.D. Corps #0
Yes good work!

Just wondering, how does Bloodshot #0 and HARDCorps #0 matched up, I only saw BS0 under 1992 / 1993.
Is that right?
No, there's a specific date of 1993 in HARDCorps #0 (among many others between the late 1960s' to early 90's). Also Bloodshot appears in HARDCorps #0's portion that takes place in 1993, so it likely happens soon after Bloodshot's creation. Or at least within a year of his creation.
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Keith wrote:Sorry if I missed this somewhere in the thread, but how do you account for the events taking place in the Faraway?
So far I'm just placing them in "present day". Obviously Faraway features time and space distortions of some kind, so that makes it just about impossible to accurately place them. It would also not make sense to place the A&A arc taking place in Faraway in the past, since it would make no sense were some diehard actually to read it in the timeline order. So the scenes with Faraway in A&A #0 are set at the beginning of the timeline (the earliest date in the Valiant universe shown so far), and the modern day Faraway scenes from the A&A arc are placed following the previous arc and before the next.

However, as for Ivar's time travel (shown in the issue with him and Armstrong traveling through time drinking heavily), those are placed in italics to denote the time travel aspect.

Any suggestions are always welcome, though.
Might I suggest a separate timeline for the Faraway (since I imagine we'll end up seeing others enter the Faraway in future issues)?
Eh, I don't see the point. Time is weird in the Faraway, so it may likely be confusing to split up the timeline, as opposed to just using the character's (Archer, Armstrong, Mary Maria) own present time to set those particular issues. There's no evidence to point to it occurring at a different time so far. If there is in the future I'll definitely change it to reflect that, but currently it probably works best to leave it in "present time". This allows for a nice, all in one approach.

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Updated for Archer & Armstrong #18 and Quantum and Woody!: Goat #0.

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Updated for Bloodshot and H.A.R.D. Corps #20 and Unity #5.

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Updated for X-O Manowar #23, Shadowman #16, and Harbinger - Bleeding Monk #0.

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Updated for Eternal Warrior #7.

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Whew! Already it's very convoluted.

How are they going to keep up with continuity a few years down the road? Their writers are going to have to read everything really closely, especially when they do Eternal Warrior, Armstrong, and Timewalker stories.

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bamaphilosopher wrote:Whew! Already it's very convoluted.

How are they going to keep up with continuity a few years down the road? Their writers are going to have to read everything really closely, especially when they do Eternal Warrior, Armstrong, and Timewalker stories.

Great work!

Or they can just treat EW like Wolverine and Spider-man, and anything goes.

There's less :!: that way.

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They'd better develop a continuity bible for their writers, at this rate. lol

I hope the site administrators consider making this a sticky thread, because I know I'd like to refer to it again and again.
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