What if the Bleeding Monk...
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Re: What if the Bleeding Monk...
I was an astrophysics major in college for two years. I hung around with that crowd plenty. And no, I don't have selective mutism.kjjohanson wrote:It all depends on the crowd you hang out with, I guess.jmatt wrote:No, there's an episode where Sheldon uses Schroedinger's Cat to explain his thoughts on a matter. I thought yardstick might be making a reference to the show in this conversation. I mean, how often do you hear a reference to that?Chiclo wrote:Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
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My understanding of Schroedinger's Cat was that, while in the box, there is no way to tell if it is alive or dead. It is observation that makes the cat alive. Thus, the observation has an effect on the actual results.Chiclo wrote:No, Schrodinger's Cat says that quantum states are so counter-intuitively unpredictable that when applied to a macro scale, they would lead to situations as paradoxical as a cat being both alive and dead at the same time and only ending up in one state or the other upon observation.yardstick wrote:Schroedinger's cat?jmatt wrote:That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
Heisenberg said that we can know location or velocity (as a vector possessed of both speed and direction; this includes momentum, a product of speed and mass) of certain particles but not both at the same time. There is a useful mathematical proportion established as a ratio of Planck's constant establishing the finest precision we could understand both values - as we get more precise on one, the other becomes less precise. As one approaches 0 (exact precision), the other approaches infinity (no precision at all).
The Observer Effect just says we change results by observing them. A very general statement of the Heisenberg Principle could coincide with that, however the parallel falls apart when rigorous mathematics is applied. Schrodinger's Cat, however, does remain consistent as a case of the Observer Effect when put to task, probably because it is a platitude and not something to which rigorous mathematics need be applied.
Maybe I was getting the cat in the box confused with the Cat in the Hat...
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Naw, I was thinking of the tree that falls in the forest, and whether or not it makes a sound...jmatt wrote:No, there's an episode where Sheldon uses Schroedinger's Cat to explain his thoughts on a matter. I thought yardstick might be making a reference to the show in this conversation. I mean, how often do you hear a reference to that?Chiclo wrote:Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
Of course, the question is begged: How often to you hear a reference to yardstick [on here]?
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Your understanding is accurate on the macroscopic scale. The reason that we don't know if the cat is alive or dead is because we don't know what a certain quantum state is - and more importantly, both of two quantum states exist in equal probability until the state is observed.yardstick wrote:My understanding of Schroedinger's Cat was that, while in the box, there is no way to tell if it is alive or dead. It is observation that makes the cat alive. Thus, the observation has an effect on the actual results.Chiclo wrote:No, Schrodinger's Cat says that quantum states are so counter-intuitively unpredictable that when applied to a macro scale, they would lead to situations as paradoxical as a cat being both alive and dead at the same time and only ending up in one state or the other upon observation.yardstick wrote:Schroedinger's cat?jmatt wrote:That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
Heisenberg said that we can know location or velocity (as a vector possessed of both speed and direction; this includes momentum, a product of speed and mass) of certain particles but not both at the same time. There is a useful mathematical proportion established as a ratio of Planck's constant establishing the finest precision we could understand both values - as we get more precise on one, the other becomes less precise. As one approaches 0 (exact precision), the other approaches infinity (no precision at all).
The Observer Effect just says we change results by observing them. A very general statement of the Heisenberg Principle could coincide with that, however the parallel falls apart when rigorous mathematics is applied. Schrodinger's Cat, however, does remain consistent as a case of the Observer Effect when put to task, probably because it is a platitude and not something to which rigorous mathematics need be applied.
Maybe I was getting the cat in the box confused with the Cat in the Hat...
Quantum physics doesn't make a lot of sense, even if you study it for two semesters.
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There is also an episode where Sheldon tells Amy Farrah Fowler that no scientific discoveries were made while having a good time. I wanted to badly for someone to bring up Tycho Brahe.jmatt wrote:No, there's an episode where Sheldon uses Schroedinger's Cat to explain his thoughts on a matter. I thought yardstick might be making a reference to the show in this conversation. I mean, how often do you hear a reference to that?Chiclo wrote:Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
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That's because it's wrong. The math works out and we can use it to understand the universe and further our understanding, but I'm convinced that it is a case of the numbers working, but the underlying concept being wrong. Maybe not completely wrong, but an approximation (like Newton's calculations of celestial bodies and gravity and such - math worked out, but it wasn't the whole story). I'm constantly thinking of the discussion of Daniel Jackson and the Tollan guy about faster-than-light communication, and the other Tollan guy and Samantha Carter about Shroedinger's Cat. In both conversations, they're like "Ah, we had those same fallacies in our scientific history. How quaint." I really think that's how quantam theory will be viewed 100 years from now.Chiclo wrote:Your understanding is accurate on the macroscopic scale. The reason that we don't know if the cat is alive or dead is because we don't know what a certain quantum state is - and more importantly, both of two quantum states exist in equal probability until the state is observed.yardstick wrote:My understanding of Schroedinger's Cat was that, while in the box, there is no way to tell if it is alive or dead. It is observation that makes the cat alive. Thus, the observation has an effect on the actual results.Chiclo wrote:No, Schrodinger's Cat says that quantum states are so counter-intuitively unpredictable that when applied to a macro scale, they would lead to situations as paradoxical as a cat being both alive and dead at the same time and only ending up in one state or the other upon observation.yardstick wrote:Schroedinger's cat?jmatt wrote:That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
Heisenberg said that we can know location or velocity (as a vector possessed of both speed and direction; this includes momentum, a product of speed and mass) of certain particles but not both at the same time. There is a useful mathematical proportion established as a ratio of Planck's constant establishing the finest precision we could understand both values - as we get more precise on one, the other becomes less precise. As one approaches 0 (exact precision), the other approaches infinity (no precision at all).
The Observer Effect just says we change results by observing them. A very general statement of the Heisenberg Principle could coincide with that, however the parallel falls apart when rigorous mathematics is applied. Schrodinger's Cat, however, does remain consistent as a case of the Observer Effect when put to task, probably because it is a platitude and not something to which rigorous mathematics need be applied.
Maybe I was getting the cat in the box confused with the Cat in the Hat...
Quantum physics doesn't make a lot of sense, even if you study it for two semesters.
Edit: I geeked out there and assumed everyone knew what I was talking about. The above is an SG-1 reference. I'm sure Chiclo knew that, though.
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You and I need to split a case of beer one night. I've always enjoyed Sagan's telling of the story.Chiclo wrote:There is also an episode where Sheldon tells Amy Farrah Fowler that no scientific discoveries were made while having a good time. I wanted to badly for someone to bring up Tycho Brahe.jmatt wrote:No, there's an episode where Sheldon uses Schroedinger's Cat to explain his thoughts on a matter. I thought yardstick might be making a reference to the show in this conversation. I mean, how often do you hear a reference to that?Chiclo wrote:Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
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+1 to this. Ever since it was mentioned that Pete's dad was in a coma I've been hoping that his dad will be revived from his coma and join up with the H.A.R.D. Corps.Phoenix8008 wrote:I don't remember anything pointing to Pete's dad being dead. All I remember is him being put in a coma when Pete tried to turn on his powers. Maybe once Peter gets good at it, he'll go visit daddy and try again to do it right or heal what he screwed up in the first place! THAT would be an interesting new story thread!greg wrote:Possibly... but Pete's father is also more-than-likely dead and I get the feeling there's more to both daddy stories.BugsySig wrote:Or he could be a stand in for Toyo's father...a father-figure for him to search out since his father is more than likely dead...The Monk could be using that very need to his advantage when he reaches out to Toyo.
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I had forgotten about that theory of mine (I spew so many they're hard to keep track of) but you have taken it to the next level! Combine that with the idea others have had about the new HARD Corps getting their powers beamed to them from live Psiots (the PRS kids) to their brain implants, and it would be shaping up to be one heck of a series. Much more interesting than the previous incarnation!Xtianhardy wrote:+1 to this. Ever since it was mentioned that Pete's dad was in a coma I've been hoping that his dad will be revived from his coma and join up with the H.A.R.D. Corps.Phoenix8008 wrote:I don't remember anything pointing to Pete's dad being dead. All I remember is him being put in a coma when Pete tried to turn on his powers. Maybe once Peter gets good at it, he'll go visit daddy and try again to do it right or heal what he screwed up in the first place! THAT would be an interesting new story thread!greg wrote:Possibly... but Pete's father is also more-than-likely dead and I get the feeling there's more to both daddy stories.BugsySig wrote:Or he could be a stand in for Toyo's father...a father-figure for him to search out since his father is more than likely dead...The Monk could be using that very need to his advantage when he reaches out to Toyo.
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SG-1? What is an SG-1?lorddunlow wrote:Edit: I geeked out there and assumed everyone knew what I was talking about. The above is an SG-1 reference. I'm sure Chiclo knew that, though.
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Stargate SG-1... awesome show.Chiclo wrote:SG-1? What is an SG-1?lorddunlow wrote:Edit: I geeked out there and assumed everyone knew what I was talking about. The above is an SG-1 reference. I'm sure Chiclo knew that, though.
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My gut is telling me the Bleeding Monk is a future version of Archer. Both have blue eyes, Archer was a PRS project, Kay notices the infinity symbols on surrounding him (I'm not saying he is immortal, just that he fits outside the norm). Also, in the original series he was a sort of monk. While I am aware this is independent from VH1, there is nothing saying that he won't go down that path anyway.
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I think I proposed the same theory in the A&A #7 discussion thread. I don't know if it is true, but the pieces fit together.vaevictis wrote:My gut is telling me the Bleeding Monk is a future version of Archer. Both have blue eyes, Archer was a PRS project, Kay notices the infinity symbols on surrounding him (I'm not saying he is immortal, just that he fits outside the norm). Also, in the original series he was a sort of monk. While I am aware this is independent from VH1, there is nothing saying that he won't go down that path anyway.
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I really hope that's not true. I don't want every single thing being related. Have him be something new.BugsySig wrote:I think I proposed the same theory in the A&A #7 discussion thread. I don't know if it is true, but the pieces fit together.vaevictis wrote:My gut is telling me the Bleeding Monk is a future version of Archer. Both have blue eyes, Archer was a PRS project, Kay notices the infinity symbols on surrounding him (I'm not saying he is immortal, just that he fits outside the norm). Also, in the original series he was a sort of monk. While I am aware this is independent from VH1, there is nothing saying that he won't go down that path anyway.