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BugsySig wrote:Or he could be a stand in for Toyo's father...a father-figure for him to search out since his father is more than likely dead...The Monk could be using that very need to his advantage when he reaches out to Toyo.
Possibly... but Pete's father is also more-than-likely dead and I get the feeling there's more to both daddy stories. :hm:
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BugsySig wrote:Or he could be a stand in for Toyo's father...a father-figure for him to search out since his father is more than likely dead...The Monk could be using that very need to his advantage when he reaches out to Toyo.
Possibly... but Pete's father is also more-than-likely dead and I get the feeling there's more to both daddy stories. :hm:
I don't remember anything pointing to Pete's dad being dead. All I remember is him being put in a coma when Pete tried to turn on his powers. Maybe once Peter gets good at it, he'll go visit daddy and try again to do it right or heal what he screwed up in the first place! THAT would be an interesting new story thread!
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I really don't think the Bleeding Monk is his father. I gave my take in the Harbinger #0 thread. We'll see if any of us are right. Harbinger is soooooo awesome, though. Best book by far. Bleeding Monk = best character ever!
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I'm probably the only person that thinks the Bleeding Monk might actually be something mystical and unrelated to all these nanite/time-travel shenanigans. Something more in line with the Geomancers in his origin, dot on chest notwithstanding.

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pixierosa wrote:THAT would be interesting. Harada's such an megalomaniac, I can't imagine him ever being able to step back and not interfere with his younger self, even if he has lived a very long time and is "wiser".

He said the monk called out to him - issue #1 was Harada finding the monk while still a young man. Why would Harada Monk want his younger self to find him if he wasn't going to try to change something? And if his intent was to change the outcome of an event, why did he merely walk away from the Harbinger Foundation during the conflict with Pete? :hm:

Just thinking out loud. Not sure who he may be or his purpose. All I predict is that the Bleeding Monk's blood will be important - it looks like the Foundation was collecting it in containers not unlike those we saw in the original Rai series.
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MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.

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Monks do not have children. They take a vow of celibacy, also vows of poverty and obedience.

99.9% of monks do not marry, have sex, have children or have a family.

Japan and Tibet are quite a far ways... about 4,000 miles far.

Japan invaded China in the 1930's, but it was far from where Tibet is.


If the Bleeding Monk is Toyo's father, that would really be something.
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What if the Bleeding Monk...

...is Toyo's FATHER?

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drmirage wrote:
greg wrote:NEW THOUGHT...

What if the Bleeding Monk...

...is Toyo's FATHER?
Monks do not have children. They take a vow of celibacy, also vows of poverty and obedience.

99.9% of monks do not marry, have sex, have children or have a family.

Japan and Tibet are quite a far ways... about 4,000 miles far.

Japan invaded China in the 1930's, but it was far from where Tibet is.


If the Bleeding Monk is Toyo's father, that would really be something.
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I agree with a few other people on here I don't believe that the bleeding monk is Toyo father. I think he's going to be a surprise revelation that does have a lot more to do with the entire valiant universe in general and not a specific character. I think were in for some big shocks when we finally get the reveal because I'm sure he knows a lot more than we think he does. Aren't mysterious characters so fun?

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Ramses818 wrote:Aren't mysterious characters so fun?
They are, just so long as the reveal isn't ridiculous. Like the Visitor with bug eyes, three fingers and a prehensile toe being Pete Stanchek. I've never understood that one.

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jmatt wrote:
Ramses818 wrote:Aren't mysterious characters so fun?
They are, just so long as the reveal isn't ridiculous. Like the Visitor with bug eyes, three fingers and a prehensile toe being Pete Stanchek. I've never understood that one.

It's real simple. It's called lack of creativity.

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FormerReader wrote:
jmatt wrote:
Ramses818 wrote:Aren't mysterious characters so fun?
They are, just so long as the reveal isn't ridiculous. Like the Visitor with bug eyes, three fingers and a prehensile toe being Pete Stanchek. I've never understood that one.

It's real simple. It's called lack of creativity.
On my part or theirs? :D

I always got the feeling the Visitor wasn't originally conceived as Pete. The costume just made no sense to me.

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jmatt wrote:
FormerReader wrote:
jmatt wrote:
Ramses818 wrote:Aren't mysterious characters so fun?
They are, just so long as the reveal isn't ridiculous. Like the Visitor with bug eyes, three fingers and a prehensile toe being Pete Stanchek. I've never understood that one.

It's real simple. It's called lack of creativity.
On my part or theirs? :D

I always got the feeling the Visitor wasn't originally conceived as Pete. The costume just made no sense to me.
Haha. No, on their part of course.

I had bailed before the Visitor came out, but the quality of the stories and the originality had long since left Valiant. It's good to see Valiant putting out great stories again!

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I think Kevin VanHook posted that it was not originally intended that The Visitor would be Stancheck, but after he was introduced folks "guessed" that he was Stancheck, and the staff went with it because it sounded like a good idea (at the time at least).

FWIW I actually liked the Visitor series. It wasn't great, but it was solid IMHO. Liked the artwork and the scripting was solid. To me it always felt liked the "real" follow-up to Harbinger #25, as I really disliked Harbinger #26+.
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SJS4 wrote:I think Kevin VanHook posted that it was not originally intended that The Visitor would be Stancheck, but after he was introduced folks "guessed" that he was Stancheck, and the staff went with it because it sounded like a good idea (at the time at least).

FWIW I actually liked the Visitor series. It wasn't great, but it was solid IMHO. Liked the artwork and the scripting was solid. To me it always felt liked the "real" follow-up to Harbinger #25, as I really disliked Harbinger #26+.
Did he ever say who it was meant to be, or if it was going to be a new character?

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SJS4 wrote:I think Kevin VanHook posted that it was not originally intended that The Visitor would be Stancheck, but after he was introduced folks "guessed" that he was Stancheck, and the staff went with it because it sounded like a good idea (at the time at least).

FWIW I actually liked the Visitor series. It wasn't great, but it was solid IMHO. Liked the artwork and the scripting was solid. To me it always felt liked the "real" follow-up to Harbinger #25, as I really disliked Harbinger #26+.
The art was top notch, for sure. And that's an interesting tidbit about KVH. I suppose that's a cautionary tale for letting the readers plot the arcs.

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jmatt wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.
Schroedinger's cat?

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yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.
Schroedinger's cat?
No, Schrodinger's Cat says that quantum states are so counter-intuitively unpredictable that when applied to a macro scale, they would lead to situations as paradoxical as a cat being both alive and dead at the same time and only ending up in one state or the other upon observation.

Heisenberg said that we can know location or velocity (as a vector possessed of both speed and direction; this includes momentum, a product of speed and mass) of certain particles but not both at the same time. There is a useful mathematical proportion established as a ratio of Planck's constant establishing the finest precision we could understand both values - as we get more precise on one, the other becomes less precise. As one approaches 0 (exact precision), the other approaches infinity (no precision at all).

The Observer Effect just says we change results by observing them. A very general statement of the Heisenberg Principle could coincide with that, however the parallel falls apart when rigorous mathematics is applied. Schrodinger's Cat, however, does remain consistent as a case of the Observer Effect when put to task, probably because it is a platitude and not something to which rigorous mathematics need be applied.

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Chiclo wrote:
yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.
Schroedinger's cat?
No, Schrodinger's Cat says that quantum states are so counter-intuitively unpredictable that when applied to a macro scale, they would lead to situations as paradoxical as a cat being both alive and dead at the same time and only ending up in one state or the other upon observation.

Heisenberg said that we can know location or velocity (as a vector possessed of both speed and direction; this includes momentum, a product of speed and mass) of certain particles but not both at the same time. There is a useful mathematical proportion established as a ratio of Planck's constant establishing the finest precision we could understand both values - as we get more precise on one, the other becomes less precise. As one approaches 0 (exact precision), the other approaches infinity (no precision at all).

The Observer Effect just says we change results by observing them. A very general statement of the Heisenberg Principle could coincide with that, however the parallel falls apart when rigorous mathematics is applied. Schrodinger's Cat, however, does remain consistent as a case of the Observer Effect when put to task, probably because it is a platitude and not something to which rigorous mathematics need be applied.
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yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.
Schroedinger's cat?
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jmatt wrote:
yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.
Schroedinger's cat?
You're Big Banging us! :lol:
Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?

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Chiclo wrote:
jmatt wrote:
yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.
Schroedinger's cat?
You're Big Banging us! :lol:
Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
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Chiclo wrote:
jmatt wrote:
yardstick wrote:
jmatt wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Sometimes just "Observing" can enact change in the observed.
That's the Heisenberg Principle or more generally the Observer Effect.
Schroedinger's cat?
You're Big Banging us! :lol:
Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
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Chiclo wrote:Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
No, there's an episode where Sheldon uses Schroedinger's Cat to explain his thoughts on a matter. I thought yardstick might be making a reference to the show in this conversation. I mean, how often do you hear a reference to that? :lol:

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jmatt wrote:
Chiclo wrote:Stringing together a bunch of physics buzzwords for an audience that probably would not know the difference?
No, there's an episode where Sheldon uses Schroedinger's Cat to explain his thoughts on a matter. I thought yardstick might be making a reference to the show in this conversation. I mean, how often do you hear a reference to that? :lol:
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