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Post by cthulhu73 »

Anyone else read this?

The art is pretty cool, but I have a difficult time following the story. The COVID break did not help. I feel like I need to re-read it to better try to understand, but I don't want to.

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I read it. Because I have read every other Valiant issue from the last 29 years and for no other reason.

The story beats are hard to follow. The dialogue is unbearable. The art had decent moments, but that doesn't matter when Bloodshot's face and hair look different panel to panel.
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"I read it. Because I have read every other Valiant issue from the last 29 years and for no other reason."

Same boat. Rai, however, is very good. Although I wonder if I think that just because the rest of what's left are so bad.

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I finally caught up with Bloodshot, after being at least a few arcs behind for quite a while. Mostly because I heard there was something of importance in this issue. Thoughts on the teaser at the end of the issue?
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It's been a month since I read it, and now I don't recall the teaser!

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cthulhu73 wrote:
Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:57:27 am
It's been a month since I read it, and now I don't recall the teaser!
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Wiggins as in the techie from the movie?

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cthulhu73 wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:04:20 pm
Wiggins as in the techie from the movie?
Exactly. There's a bit at the end of the book where Bloodshot gets a transmission form someone (I would assume Wiggans) informing Bloodshot that PRS is still active. The blurb for the next issue suggests that Wiggans will appear (which is why I assume the transmission is from him). 9 could end up being a minor key (1st cameo; voice only) and 10 a first full appearance.
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cthulhu73 wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:08:54 pm
"I read it. Because I have read every other Valiant issue from the last 29 years and for no other reason."

Same boat. Rai, however, is very good. Although I wonder if I think that just because the rest of what's left are so bad.
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nonplayer wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:52:32 pm
cthulhu73 wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:08:54 pm
"I read it. Because I have read every other Valiant issue from the last 29 years and for no other reason."

Same boat. Rai, however, is very good. Although I wonder if I think that just because the rest of what's left are so bad.
Because of nastalgia is no reason to be suckered into buying trash.
Be careful, you might be labeled as a misogynist or bigot or something for this comment. Either be careful to avoid the assigned stigma or just disregard any retort entirely as a lie and continue to embrace the truth in your opinion and buying patterns. :thumb:

But on another note entirely, we've all been suckered into trash buys over nostalgia at one point or another The real test is whether or not you keep succumbing to it.

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IMJ wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:29:42 pm
The real test is whether or not you keep succumbing to it.
I have compared my continued buying of Valiant to the lady with black eyes on the tv show Cops bawling over her abusive boyfriend, “But I love him!”

Yep, I keep coming back. Valiant has changed. This time is going to be different. And other lies I tell myself. I am still cool. I could still win a fight if I needed to. I really would have a shot with Megan Hilty if I ever met her.

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Chiclo wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:41:53 pm
IMJ wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:29:42 pm
The real test is whether or not you keep succumbing to it.
I have compared my continued buying of Valiant to the lady with black eyes on the tv show Cops bawling over her abusive boyfriend, “But I love him!”

Yep, I keep coming back. Valiant has changed. This time is going to be different. And other lies I tell myself. I am still cool. I could still win a fight if I needed to. I really would have a shot with Megan Hilty if I ever met her.
This describes my perpetual buying of Iron Man for.... ohhhh basically since Fractions hideous run on the book. But I buy Iron Man on motor memory at this point. It's not an entire universe and it's not killing me to do it. But there are certain things we do in service of our fandom that one day you wake up and just wash your hands of it.

I think the psychology is similar to how I always say that once I sell something it's gone, I don't back to it and I don't miss it when it's not in front of me anymore. I think secretly I hope that someday I'll go back through the last 12 years of Iron Man and find material that was actually great.... but.... probably not.

The newest book though by Cantwell and CAFU has been terrific for three issues. REALLY good actually. By again, I thought that about the first 6 issues of Gillen's run - it was the best Iron Man I read since the Knauf's were on the book. And then everything after the first arc happened and yeah - it was back to motor memory buying.

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IMJ wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:46:35 pm
Chiclo wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:41:53 pm
IMJ wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:29:42 pm
The real test is whether or not you keep succumbing to it.
I have compared my continued buying of Valiant to the lady with black eyes on the tv show Cops bawling over her abusive boyfriend, “But I love him!”

Yep, I keep coming back. Valiant has changed. This time is going to be different. And other lies I tell myself. I am still cool. I could still win a fight if I needed to. I really would have a shot with Megan Hilty if I ever met her.
This describes my perpetual buying of Iron Man for.... ohhhh basically since Fractions hideous run on the book. But I buy Iron Man on motor memory at this point. It's not an entire universe and it's not killing me to do it. But there are certain things we do in service of our fandom that one day you wake up and just wash your hands of it.
That was my reaction after the One Last Day/Brand New Day storyline in Spider-man. They basically wiped out the history of Spider-man since I started collecting comics as a teenager. I quit reading Spider-man and pretty much everything else by Marvel shortly afterward.
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kjjohanson wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:12:22 pm
IMJ wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:46:35 pm
Chiclo wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:41:53 pm
IMJ wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:29:42 pm
The real test is whether or not you keep succumbing to it.
I have compared my continued buying of Valiant to the lady with black eyes on the tv show Cops bawling over her abusive boyfriend, “But I love him!”

Yep, I keep coming back. Valiant has changed. This time is going to be different. And other lies I tell myself. I am still cool. I could still win a fight if I needed to. I really would have a shot with Megan Hilty if I ever met her.
This describes my perpetual buying of Iron Man for.... ohhhh basically since Fractions hideous run on the book. But I buy Iron Man on motor memory at this point. It's not an entire universe and it's not killing me to do it. But there are certain things we do in service of our fandom that one day you wake up and just wash your hands of it.
That was my reaction after the One Last Day/Brand New Day storyline in Spider-man. They basically wiped out the history of Spider-man since I started collecting comics as a teenager. I quit reading Spider-man and pretty much everything else by Marvel shortly afterward.
Would you believe that OMD pretty much killed my interest in Spider-man and almost comics in general. I still haven't watched the Amazing Spider-man movies because of OMD. The only reason I've seen the new ones is because he's in the MCU and hard to avoid.

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One More Day was a mess, but if it makes the two of you guys feel any better, Iron Man has been "One More Dayd" a few times.

Most notoriously during The Crossing. Then absolutely victimized and vilified in Civil War everywhere but his own title (where the Knauf's handled that mess incredibly well). Then again during Gillen's run where he "reveals" Tony is not actually the son of Howard & Maria Stark, but instead is a space born genetically modified creature supplanted as Howard Stark's son for reason XYZ. All while Howard Stark's real son, "Arno" has been in hiding as a quadriplegic for years. I don't even want to try to summarize the rest of that insidious nonsense of retcon'd crap.

But in any event, trust me when I say that by Iron Man fan standards, you guys had it easy with One More Day. :)

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IMJ wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:29:42 pm
nonplayer wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:52:32 pm
cthulhu73 wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:08:54 pm
"I read it. Because I have read every other Valiant issue from the last 29 years and for no other reason."

Same boat. Rai, however, is very good. Although I wonder if I think that just because the rest of what's left are so bad.
Because of nastalgia is no reason to be suckered into buying trash.
Be careful, you might be labeled as a misogynist or bigot or something for this comment. Either be careful to avoid the assigned stigma or just disregard any retort entirely as a lie and continue to embrace the truth in your opinion and buying patterns. :thumb:

But on another note entirely, we've all been suckered into trash buys over nostalgia at one point or another The real test is whether or not you keep succumbing to it.
That's the whole reason I quit buying Marvel in the 90's, back when Valiant was in its heyday and Marvel was about to almost destroy the industry. Putrid stories with multiple covers and team-ups for no reason. The one that really sticks out in my mind was a team-up with like Spider-Man, Ghost Rider and Venom. EVERY ISSUE was Venom wanting to eat someone's brain. And they dragged one-shot-appropriate stories out to 3-5 issues.

It's almost worse now since they want to get to that five-issue trade paperback length. Looking at you Doctor Tomorrow.

In a later thread someone mentioned retconning. I love all the history from past decades, but now every time I turn around there's another #1 of the same character. I have quit Marvel pretty much entirely now. DC as well, unless I see something neat from my youth like Freedom Fighters, Metal Men, etc. Was excited about the new Legion (my all-time favorite title) series. It has its moments, but it's mostly a mess.


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