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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:39:50 pm 
Mmm, I was drooling over Cooshie tonight.
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Well, my X-O slabs are back from CGC and I'm pretty happy with the outcome. I purchased 75 copies on Ebay back in June, in what appeared to me to be a small hoarder's collection being liquidated; simultaneously, there were multiple lots of Valiant titles all from the same seller (100 Rai #0, 8 Harbinger #1, 75 X-O #1, etc).

Some people called me crazy for bidding and winning the X-O lot at $2550. And on its surface, perhaps it was. I was paying around $35 a copy for a raw book that goes for between $25 and $30 on Ebay. But I had a pretty good idea of what I was looking at, took a chance, and it paid off.

The numbers:

X-O Manowar #1 CGC Blue 9.8: 31 copies
X-O Manowar #1 CGC Blue 9.6: 27 copies

Rejected at 9.6 Pre-Screen: 17 copies

Book purchase: $2550
Slabbing w/shipping: $1400
Total: $3950

Recent Ebay sales of the 9.8 range from $140 to $160, let's call it $150 or so. The 9.6 appear to be fetching $60. And good raws have ranged from $20 to an outlier of $65, so let's call them $25.

31 x $150 = $4650
27 x $60 = $1620
17 x $25 = $425
Total $6695

So all in all, not too shabby. And I think a decent movie release will push those numbers up 25%.

Oh, and some decent results on my Divinity 1:20 and 1:40.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:50:26 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:06:07 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:06:38 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:22:05 pm 
Especially "dude." And "balls." Those terms work in the tech industry.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:31:34 am 
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Awesome results!

Congrats! Man... Hell of a haul!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:17:32 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:29:43 am 
Psssst. Hey buddy, need another CGC fix?
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Yeah, once you got the books in hand it started looking like a really good deal. Great result.

If you weren't a comic book dealer before, you are now! :D


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:38:04 am 
Nice art! (I used to own that.)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:38:54 am 
Especially "dude." And "balls." Those terms work in the tech industry.
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Yeah, once you got the books in hand it started looking like a really good deal. Great result.

If you weren't a comic book dealer before, you are now! :D


Indeed. Careful, and you might end up like me, using finds like this to expand your collection!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:00:01 pm 
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jmatt wrote:
The numbers:

X-O Manowar #1 CGC Blue 9.8: 31 copies
X-O Manowar #1 CGC Blue 9.6: 27 copies

Rejected at 9.6 Pre-Screen: 17 copies

Book purchase: $2550
Slabbing w/shipping: $1400
Total: $3950

Recent Ebay sales of the 9.8 range from $140 to $160, let's call it $150 or so. The 9.6 appear to be fetching $60. And good raws have ranged from $20 to an outlier of $65, so let's call them $25.

31 x $150 = $4650
27 x $60 = $1620
17 x $25 = $425
Total $6695

So all in all, not too shabby. And I think a decent movie release will push those numbers up 25%.

Do you have any concern that the CGC census increase will drive down the market price though? I know I check the census before buying almost any slab to determine my top price I'm willing to pay.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:27:49 pm 
Especially "dude." And "balls." Those terms work in the tech industry.
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That occurred with the EW gold in 9.8 last year. That book was sold on HA.com every week with auctions closing at $227 in the beginning, falling down to $66 in just a few months. I also saw that with EW 4s and Rai 0s.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:33:38 pm 
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I remember from the original post that many of these had cut corners on the spine that seemed to be a manufacturing issues. Did CGC take the fact that it was a manufacturing issue into account and not ding the grade for it? Or did you weed those out? Just trying to learn for my own submissions some day:)


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:39:22 pm 
Psssst. Hey buddy, need another CGC fix?
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"Valiant corners" as they are called, will not normally keep a book from 9.8. I'm sure a really bad example will though.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:30:11 pm 
Wanna see an unpublished Shadowman page?
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nycjadie wrote:
ckb wrote:
Yeah, once you got the books in hand it started looking like a really good deal. Great result.

If you weren't a comic book dealer before, you are now! :D


Indeed. Careful, and you might end up like me, using finds like this to expand your collection!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:23:02 pm 
Mmm, I was drooling over Cooshie tonight.
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Thanks, everyone, for the words of support.

nycjadie wrote:
Indeed. Careful, and you might end up like me, using finds like this to expand your collection!


Yes, I find myself already fighting that temptation... I was looking at your sale thread last week and saw some Newsstands and a Deathmate Red that I still need...

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"Valiant corners" as they are called, will not normally keep a book from 9.8. I'm sure a really bad example will though.


I can't find any grader's notes in my CGC Submission. TBH, I only examined perhaps a dozen of the books before submitting, afraid to even breathe on them. And the bindery tears were the only flaw I could see; some obvious, others had almost none. I felt it was a decent sample that justified the submission without examining them further.

I was really nervous when the first invoice / shipment was posted. Only four copies out of 25 were marked as 9.8. I wonder, does a single person grade an entire invoice and perhaps I was assigned a grader that was 'tougher' than the other invoices? Does it work like that?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:29:56 pm 
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Do you have any concern that the CGC census increase will drive down the market price though? I know I check the census before buying almost any slab to determine my top price I'm willing to pay.


Not having ever done that, I can't really say I took that into consideration. But what's the alternative? Not grading them to keep the pool of slabbed issues smaller?

How do you use it to determine the price you're willing to pay?

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jmatt wrote:
geocarr wrote:
Do you have any concern that the CGC census increase will drive down the market price though? I know I check the census before buying almost any slab to determine my top price I'm willing to pay.


Not having ever done that, I can't really say I took that into consideration. But what's the alternative? Not grading them to keep the pool of slabbed issues smaller?

How do you use it to determine the price you're willing to pay?

I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have had them graded and slabbed. I would have done the same thing you did. I don't know that the increase in census numbers will have any effect on market price. I was just raising the idea to see what others thought. My funds are pretty limited, or so my wife keeps telling me, so if I am looking at two $100 slabs and can only afford one, and all other things being equal, I will buy the more rare one in that grade or overall census. Or if I feel that there is more supply than demand for a particular slabbed book based on census numbers, I might forego pulling the trigger and hope for a better deal later and put my money into a rare slab at that time.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:49:54 pm 
Now I bet you're all going to want me to drag it out and show you.
Now I bet you're all going to want me to drag it out and show you.
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I think a decent movie – or even just a movie announcement – will push those books up percentage-wise a lot more.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:27:52 pm 
Mmm, I was drooling over Cooshie tonight.
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kjjohanson wrote:
I think a decent movie – or even just a movie announcement – will push those books up percentage-wise a lot more.


That was my thought going into this. I mentioned in the original thread that I probably would not have done this without the DMG cash infusion and movie prospects.

On the one hand it's nice to be poised to take advantage of that if and when it happens. On the other hand, this book had a big print run and I'm sure CGC will be slabbing them aplenty if the price kicks up with movie news, potentially driving the price down.

But thanks again for the well-wishes. Over on the CGC Forum, a few people are posting that this doesn't make any sense financially or that I really should have diversified my comic 'investment' etc etc. There's no pleasing some people.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:29:45 pm 
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jmatt wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
I think a decent movie – or even just a movie announcement – will push those books up percentage-wise a lot more.


That was my thought going into this. I mentioned in the original thread that I probably would not have done this without the DMG cash infusion and movie prospects.

On the one hand it's nice to be poised to take advantage of that if and when it happens. On the other hand, this book had a big print run and I'm sure CGC will be slabbing them aplenty if the price kicks up with movie news, potentially driving the price down.

But thanks again for the well-wishes. Over on the CGC Forum, a few people are posting that this doesn't make any sense financially or that I really should have diversified my comic 'investment' etc etc. There's no pleasing some people.


If I listened to people who think like that... I'd have a small Marvel and DC collection. Lol. If I want to buy 200 xo 1's 9.8's, it's really nobody's business. Who says it would be an investment? Maybe that's my passion... To own em and never sell them... To be a TRUE collector and not a speculator. Some people's kids. :roll: Can people just not be happy for someone else in this world anymore? Everyone is the expert on absolutely everything. :roll:

Sorry for the rant... Hate it when people diss good people.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:46:50 pm 
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Is it Dee-no or Die-no? Dunno.

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Ricomortis wrote:
jmatt wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
I think a decent movie – or even just a movie announcement – will push those books up percentage-wise a lot more.


That was my thought going into this. I mentioned in the original thread that I probably would not have done this without the DMG cash infusion and movie prospects.

On the one hand it's nice to be poised to take advantage of that if and when it happens. On the other hand, this book had a big print run and I'm sure CGC will be slabbing them aplenty if the price kicks up with movie news, potentially driving the price down.

But thanks again for the well-wishes. Over on the CGC Forum, a few people are posting that this doesn't make any sense financially or that I really should have diversified my comic 'investment' etc etc. There's no pleasing some people.


If I listened to people who think like that... I'd have a small Marvel and DC collection. Lol. If I want to buy 200 xo 1's 9.8's, it's really nobody's business. Who says it would be an investment? Maybe that's my passion... To own em and never sell them... To be a TRUE collector and not a speculator. Some people's kids. :roll: Can people just not be happy for someone else in this world anymore? Everyone is the expert on absolutely everything. :roll:

Sorry for the rant... Hate it when people diss good people.

Rico



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