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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:07:57 pm 
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Book of Death #1 - 1st appearance of War Mother


I have heard rumor regarding this, but I can not find War Mother anywhere in the book. Do you have a page #, or better yet, a scan that shows her?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:32:38 pm 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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Hmm, really? A blonde, unshaven woman is supposed to represent a woman with a shaved head that is possibly a mixed race? Someone, somewhere must have attempted to connect the two, I just don't see it. Maybe there is more here that I just don't know...

Also, doesn't the book of death happen before Father takes New Japan up into orbit? The Eternal Warrior is depicted as an old man in 4001, yet a young man in Book of Death. Is War Mother supposed to be eternal as well, yet not age a single bit?

I imagine smarter, more knowing people have drawn this conclusion. Can you possibly shed more light on this? I just don't see how this could be her first appearance.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:48:15 pm 
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DirtbagSailor wrote:
TheeBaldMoose wrote:
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Book of Death #1 - 1st appearance of War Mother


I have heard rumor regarding this, but I can not find War Mother anywhere in the book. Do you have a page #, or better yet, a scan that shows her?


Thanks DBS


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I still don't see it. I know, I know... even Dinesh has pointed out that she is Warmother, but I still think it's the woman over Bloodshot's right shoulder.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:49:23 pm 
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Hmm, really? A blonde, unshaven woman is supposed to represent a woman with a shaved head that is possibly a mixed race? Someone, somewhere must have attempted to connect the two, I just don't see it. Maybe there is more here that I just don't know...

Also, doesn't the book of death happen before Father takes New Japan up into orbit? The Eternal Warrior is depicted as an old man in 4001, yet a young man in Book of Death. Is War Mother supposed to be eternal as well, yet not age a single bit?

I imagine smarter, more knowing people have drawn this conclusion. Can you possibly shed more light on this? I just don't see how this could be her first appearance.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:26:18 pm 
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TheeBaldMoose wrote:
Hmm, really? A blonde, unshaven woman is supposed to represent a woman with a shaved head that is possibly a mixed race? Someone, somewhere must have attempted to connect the two, I just don't see it. Maybe there is more here that I just don't know...

Also, doesn't the book of death happen before Father takes New Japan up into orbit? The Eternal Warrior is depicted as an old man in 4001, yet a young man in Book of Death. Is War Mother supposed to be eternal as well, yet not age a single bit?

I imagine smarter, more knowing people have drawn this conclusion. Can you possibly shed more light on this? I just don't see how this could be her first appearance.


Good questions. The timeline for BoD events was murky to me when it came out. A year on, murkier still.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:33:09 am 
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The character that we now know as War Mother we re-designed by artist Andreas Guinaldo earlier this year in preparation for 4001 A.D. War Mother #1. It is likely that VEI had a loose concept for the character when BoD #1 was created, that was modified further down the road. While not the most perfect 1st appearance of all time (though still a bit more than Jack playing Sax in X-O #4...), it has been confirmed by VEI that it is still the 1st appearance of War Mother.

Here is the War Mother character design and creator notes by artist Andres Guinaldo that I was able to pick up a while back.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:18:32 am 
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I've got to disagree on the 1st appearance of Warmother being BOD #1. Dinesh can say it was her 1st appearance, but that character went through a complete redesign prior to Warmother #1. Warmother #1 is her 1st appearance and I think most people would agree. This makes me think of Psylocke/Betsy Braddock.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:03:20 am 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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DirtbagSailor wrote:
The character that we now know as War Mother we re-designed by artist Andreas Guinaldo earlier this year in preparation for 4001 A.D. War Mother #1. It is likely that VEI had a loose concept for the character when BoD #1 was created, that was modified further down the road. While not the most perfect 1st appearance of all time (though still a bit more than Jack playing Sax in X-O #4...), it has been confirmed by VEI that it is still the 1st appearance of War Mother.

Here is the War Mother character design and creator notes by artist Andres Guinaldo that I was able to pick up a while back.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:08:43 pm 
it sounds like "chuffed" goes both ways
it sounds like "chuffed" goes both ways
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Its nice to see 2 VEI characters, Roku and Livewire (Livewire for the most part brand new character) have prominent roles in the Ninjak series

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:23:54 pm 
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I have seen a few that think the web series has some elements of the Ninjak story Siege At King's Castle. I think so, too, with what appears to be a government agency after Colin/Ninjak and what appears to be Roku as the main foil. I would be curious to see if it has any more pieces of the story. Thatvsaid, the story started in issue 14 and there's a cool Kindt cover. I am curious to see any action on that and Roku's origin from issue 4.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:24:36 pm 
Now I bet you're all going to want me to drag it out and show you.
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Its nice to see 2 VEI characters, Roku and Livewire (Livewire for the most part brand new character) have prominent roles in the Ninjak series

Yup! I wish I had more copies of the variant for Harbinger #3 (first VEI Livewire & Faith), but I guess I'll have to be satisfied with my double digit copies of the regular edition.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:35:17 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:06:54 pm 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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I know it's jumping the gun, but Dinesh tweeted out a "First Appearance" the other day for the upcoming Harbinger Renigades. Don't know the characters name, or when the appearance happens. The questions have been thrown at him, with no response

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:26:09 pm 
loosely based on a true story
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Just noticed I may have dropped the ball by not reviewing the last page or so of this thread and making additions to the top post. My apologies. Anyone have anything new to add? I'll review everything this weekend. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:31:00 pm 
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Also just noticed this thread was moved to the Topic Hall Of Fame! Dig it! I guess that proves I don't read the entire board. :oops:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:51:15 pm 
Nice art! (I used to own that.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:33:44 pm 
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Top post updated. Let me know if anyone sees any mistakes. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:22:49 am 
Harbinger rank: Shinia
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Just curious how hard you would go on some of these and where to draw the line on condition? Found a long box full of 20-25 copies of stuff like HW #1-4, early issues of XO, SM, Unity and Rai. However they all have at least a couple few spine ticks and blunted corners. He wants 20% of cover.

What's the play? Are any of these strong enough to ignore the spine or just stick to clean copies regardless of the issue?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:23:56 am 
Harbinger rank: Shinia
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FlipMega wrote:
Just curious how hard you would go on some of these and where to draw the line on condition? Found a long box full of 20-25 copies of stuff like HW #1-4, early issues of XO, SM, Unity and Rai. However they all have at least a couple few spine ticks and blunted corners. He wants 20% of cover.

What's the play? Are any of these strong enough to ignore the spine or just stick to clean copies regardless of the issue?


I should mention they are all A and Pullbox for the most part


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:54:17 pm 
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I don't really have an opinion on that. Sorry. I don't check this thread often. I keep forgetting it's been moved here.


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