Valiant Completists

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:44:48 pm

I think that selling Valiant in newsstands was Massarsky's idea, although I never heard him take credit for it.
What I have heard:
He claimed that the problem with comics is that they are "an impulse buy at a non-impulse location" in other words, you have to actually go to a "comic store" to buy "comic books" unlike, say... a copy of Sports Illustrated, with a picture of a girl wearing no clothes, that you can buy at any street corner. Magazines are produced at extrememly high numbers and when the month is up for that issue, they are sent back. (What is done with them.. I dunno. They aren't in circulation.) This works for most magazines because the money that pays for the magazine isn't really in the money you pay for it, it is in advertising. (something that the earliest Valiants had a few advertisements relating to the comic, then they went to no advertising, and then they slowly increased their advertising load until it got very risky.) The way that advertisers pay is by... distribution numbers. The higher the distribution number, the more an ad costs in a magazine (within brakets of course). And this is why many publication will prefer to give away their product for free than to lose a customer (while other people are actually buying it; I've been getting TV Guide for free for about four months (never paid, ever), and I tried to cancel and it didn't work), the more customers, even involuntary, non-paying, ones, the more money from advertising.

Back to comics. The concept of printing up...I dunno... a million copies of a comic book that has, at most, 100,000 buyers is silly. Archie comics, that are not made for speculation, can be sold everywhere because... they are already a universal symbol to the extent of People Magazine. The marketing speculation for how many more copies of a comic to print if you want them in every CVS... it's a lot of research because you are now putting an impulse buy in an impulse location for more or less the first time. Oh, and the comic book owners would not be happy, I think he mentioned something about that too. Actually I think that the comic store owners was the bulk of his argument.

Geez, I'm losing my memory.
As usual pay no attention to me, I can't even remember what I was replying to. And now I ended a sentance a prepostion with. It's all downhill from here.

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:51:57 pm

And it looks like most of what I had to say was already said more elegantly.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:22:23 pm

So there could be quite a few cover variations for late Valiants and accliaims out there.

Have to start keeping my eyes open for these.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:37:27 pm

jedimarley wrote:So there could be quite a few cover variations for late Valiants and accliaims out there.

Have to start keeping my eyes open for these.

well, I think the variations are limited to the corner box saying "newsstand sales" instead of "direct sales" and the paper stock used for the newsstand issues appears to differ slightly.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:08:45 pm

Vault-Keeper wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Did all Valiant titles see newsstand distribution?

Or was it select titles?
I think they did it with the core titles that were left after Acclaim axed all the low selling titles like Psi-Lords, Geomancer, Harbinger, Dr. Mirage, Secret Weapons, Rai, etc. These issues were returnable so any remainder copies that made it into the secondary market were small, IMO. The only issues of them around would basically be the ones that were actually sold. Unless there was a program where these were put in a plastic bag with several other comics for bargain resale that I've seen in some department stores during the 90's.---Steve

In 2000, I was browsing a 99 cent store that was going out of business and they had a whole box full of re-bagged VALIANTS, three to a bag, but I forget the price for each.

I looked through them and it seemed to be ALL commons in EVERY bag. So, maybe that kind of program was in effect. (I didn't buy a one of them, as they weren't sold by Voyager that way, so to me they weren't company-line related material). If the bags had VALIANT logos or something like that, I would've probably picked them all up.

dino · Post by **dino** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:35:53 pm

mrwoogieman wrote:
Vault-Keeper wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Did all Valiant titles see newsstand distribution?

Or was it select titles?
I think they did it with the core titles that were left after Acclaim axed all the low selling titles like Psi-Lords, Geomancer, Harbinger, Dr. Mirage, Secret Weapons, Rai, etc. These issues were returnable so any remainder copies that made it into the secondary market were small, IMO. The only issues of them around would basically be the ones that were actually sold. Unless there was a program where these were put in a plastic bag with several other comics for bargain resale that I've seen in some department stores during the 90's.---Steve
In 2000, I was browsing a 99 cent store that was going out of business and they had a whole box full of re-bagged VALIANTS, three to a bag, but I forget the price for each.

I looked through them and it seemed to be ALL commons in EVERY bag. So, maybe that kind of program was in effect. (I didn't buy a one of them, as they weren't sold by Voyager that way, so to me they weren't company-line related material). If the bags had VALIANT logos or something like that, I would've probably picked them all up.

Dude you could have got some money for those today.

dave · Post by **dave** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:57:20 pm

dino, since you;ve got the vcvss books on there maybe you should include the poster/checklist greg printed up a few years ago...remember?

dino · Post by **dino** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:47:18 am

Added some pins and cards

dino · Post by **dino** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:22:44 pm

Added voyeurs and some promos

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:26:10 pm

There's also that San Diego Valiant Voice flyer, too.

dino · Post by **dino** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:27:10 pm

Is that a valiant voice or a promo flyer?

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:56:49 pm

dino wrote:Is that a valiant voice or a promo flyer?

Both... It's titled Valiant Voice but printed on a big folded flyer paper.

/Magnus

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:41:51 am

Sounds like dino's collection is almost as good as mine.

ALMOST......

Heh, heh, heh......

dino · Post by **dino** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:12:56 pm

magnusr wrote:
dino wrote:Is that a valiant voice or a promo flyer?
Both... It's titled Valiant Voice but printed on a big folded flyer paper.

/Magnus

Yup I've got one. It looks photocopied in fact, I'm just curious if people wanted it on the list? I guess since it isn't on the price guide it should be here.

dino · Post by **dino** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:02:50 pm

added bookmarks and postcards

dino · Post by **dino** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:02:05 am

updated promos

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:04:11 am

if I get a Valiant logo tatoo, can that go in this?

dino · Post by **dino** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:05:56 am

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:if I get a Valiant logo tatoo, can that go in this?

*SQUEE* yeah, its my list. What i say goes

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:13:25 am

dino wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:if I get a Valiant logo tatoo, can that go in this?
*SQUEE* yeah, its my list. What i say goes

sweet.

Bosk · Post by **Bosk** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:26:48 pm

Dino,

Since you have the VCVSS comics, you "gotta" add the Turok Signature Series card that Dan came up with....

dino · Post by **dino** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:33:14 pm

Bosk wrote:Dino,

Since you have the VCVSS comics, you "gotta" add the Turok Signature Series card that Dan came up with....

It's already there under Prints

Lithographs & Prints -
Valiant Fan Club Bloodshot V1 Meets Bloodshot V2 numbered litho (out of 50)
X-O Manowar #0 litho - Gold signed by Quesada some with COA's (out of 1200)
X-O Manowar #0 litho - Platinum signed by Quesada & Palmiotti with COA (100)
Ninjak #1 litho signed by Quesada some with COA's (out of 1200)
Quantum & Woody colour litho
Darque Accliam litho
X-O Manowar #0 Traveling Art Show print signed by Quesada & Palmiotti with COA (1000)
Sonic Dan's Turok Signature Series Card & Limited Edition Print Set (out of 42) featuring Valiant Era VP11 Turok card signed by Timothy Truman. Some came with a signed comic.

dino · Post by **dino** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:18:27 pm

dino · Post by **dino** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:15:40 pm

updated - added toys but I need some help with it, anyone have a list of the turok toys that were made?

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:27:14 pm

what about the visitor and armorines standees?

dino · Post by **dino** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:28:16 pm

cinlach@aol.com wrote:what about the visitor and armorines standees?

just added

thanks

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