What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Discuss the VALIANT comics, characters, and collecting.
PLEASE DO NOT REVEAL SPOILER INFORMATION IN YOUR TOPIC TITLE.

Moderators: greg, Daniel Jackson

Post Reply

Worst DMG Series?

Bloodshot Rising Spirit
19
40%
Livewire
7
15%
Incursion
0
No votes
Forgotten Queen
1
2%
Punk Mambo
0
No votes
Rai OR Fallen World
0
No votes
Psi-Lords
7
15%
Killers
0
No votes
Dr. Mirage
1
2%
Bloodshot
2
4%
Roku
3
6%
The Visitor
3
6%
Quantum & Woody!
0
No votes
Dr. Tomorrow
0
No votes
X-O Manowar
4
9%
 
Total votes: 47

User avatar
TheFerg714
You gotta have Faith!
You gotta have Faith!
Posts: 856
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:25:48 pm
Valiant fan since: July 2014
Favorite character: Archer
Favorite title: Archer & Armstrong
Favorite writer: Joshua Dysart
Favorite artist: Juan Jose Ryp
What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by TheFerg714 »

Alright, deciding which was the best was pretty straight-forward. Rai and Fallen World won by a wide margin. Incursion came in 3rd place, followed by Punk Mambo/Dr. Tomorrow (tie) and Killers.

Now for the fun part. Let the hate flow through you!

You're able to vote for up to 3 options. For the sake of hilarity, I combined Rai and Fallen World this time, in order to include X-O Manowar, due to the harsh fan backlash to the first issue. I left out a couple other books, so I'm sorry to any of the LaDoTH and Faith: Dreamside haters.

User avatar
Sunlight on Snow
Nanite-powered posting
Nanite-powered posting
Posts: 1348
Joined: Sat May 28, 2016 1:11:03 pm
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Sunlight on Snow »

Who would hate on LADOTH?

Oxmyx
Cruisin' in Darpan's Winnebago
Cruisin' in Darpan's Winnebago
Posts: 723
Joined: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:53:37 pm
Valiant fan since: 2013
Favorite character: Blister
Favorite title: Rai and the Future Force
Favorite writer: Jim Shooter
Favorite artist: Barry Wind-Smith
Location: Greensboro, NC, USA
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Oxmyx »

Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:30:18 am
Who would hate on LADOTH?
That anacronym has always been cumbersome to me
I've been looking everywhere for the ultra-rare Turok vs Blister issue. Anybody able to help me out?

nonplayer
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Posts: 2114
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:16:04 pm
Valiant fan since: back in the day xo#9
Favorite character: Momo
Favorite title: Divinity, savage,
Favorite writer: Joshua dysart
Favorite artist: Robert Gill
Location: out for lunch
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by nonplayer »

Dmg has ruined Valiant comics for me. I dont wven wanna read my xo I dont want to be furthure disapointed with my favorite charater.
I Miss Dinesh running Valiant

User avatar
TheeBaldMoose
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Posts: 2398
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:03:41 pm
Valiant fan since: ECCC April 2016
Favorite character: Bloodshot/Ninjak/Divinity
Favorite title: Divinity/BS Reborn/Britannia
Favorite writer: Kindt/Lemire/Roberts
Favorite artist: All of them, really
Location: Tacoma
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by TheeBaldMoose »

could only submit two votes, as there were some books I just didn't read (Roku, Dr Mirage)

Bloodshot: Rising Spirit was just bad. Saved (a little) when Rahal took over. The last three issues made sense, art was decent, last arc gave us something (Blind coder: Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil), but the entire first half of the book was a garbage fire! Art, missing panels, all bad

Psi-Lords: bad, just bad. Still stuck in my head "locally sourced grub" while they were stranded on a small asteroid or something like that. Maybe the story reads better when put all together? dunno. Art was distracting as well, just did not look good
Moose

User avatar
Sunlight on Snow
Nanite-powered posting
Nanite-powered posting
Posts: 1348
Joined: Sat May 28, 2016 1:11:03 pm
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Sunlight on Snow »

Oxmyx wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:19:38 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:30:18 am
Who would hate on LADOTH?
That anacronym has always been cumbersome to me
But that's not really a reason to hate the books, or is it?

User avatar
Dallow Spicer1
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
Posts: 1965
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:19:05 am
Valiant fan since: Mid 90's
Favorite character: X-O
Favorite title: X-O
Favorite writer: V-Ditti & Dysart
Favorite artist: Larosa
Location: United Kingdom
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Dallow Spicer1 »

Soooo many to choose from!

I went for -

Worst Bloodshot Rising Spirit
Next worst Psi Lords
Next to next worst Bloodshot (current)

2 out of the 3 are Bloodshot books in the the year leading up to the Bloodshot movie, the event which should have brought new readers into Valiant. The first ever Valiant movie and Acclaim 2.0 *SQUEE* it up....let that sink in!

User avatar
SwiftMann
Personal shoe-shopper for Atom!
Personal shoe-shopper for Atom!
Posts: 298
Joined: Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:09:42 pm
Valiant fan since: 1994
Favorite character: Solar
Favorite title: 90s Shadowman
Location: PA
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by SwiftMann »

Only 3?!?

I voted for:
Bloodshot: Rising Spirit
Psi-Lords
Visitor

But I definitely had mental debate about the need to include:
Livewire - I mean, really, this is absolutely as awful as the above
Forgotten Queen - I hated it, but mostly for being forgettable and generic and a terrible character
Punk Mambo - An absolute waste of time
Bloodshot - Seeley's writing on this seems like ADHD on speed
Roku - Right alongside Livewire as a NEEDS to be included in the above

I didn't get the last week of shipped books, so I have missed out on the travesty that seems to be the new X-O
"What kind of name is Unity for a superhero team anyway? They deserve to die for that alone." - Bloodsquirt, Bloodshot Reborn #5

User avatar
TheFerg714
You gotta have Faith!
You gotta have Faith!
Posts: 856
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:25:48 pm
Valiant fan since: July 2014
Favorite character: Archer
Favorite title: Archer & Armstrong
Favorite writer: Joshua Dysart
Favorite artist: Juan Jose Ryp
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by TheFerg714 »

Starting with the worst of the worst:

1. Bloodshot Rising Spirit- Just a travesty, from start to finish.
2. Livewire- Started off really strong, but somehow got worse with every issue, with uninspired dialogue, asinine action, a misunderstanding of Livewire's personality and powerset, and wow that final arc had some horrible art.
3. Roku- Honestly, this story is not a bad story. It gets bonus points for being utterly pointless and uninspired. I don't think Bunn even read Ninjak.
4. Quantum & Woody!- Nearly unreadable. It's just a bunch of mindless "jokes" with AWFUL pacing, and cluttered art. So disappointing.
5. Bloodshot- It's not horrible, but it gets bonus points because I'm mad at myself for giving this series 7 f**king chances before dropping it.
6. Forgotten Queen- Awful character. This shouldn't have been made at all.
7. Psi-Lords- Ugly art, stupid dialogue and characters, and a mystery that no one cared about.
8. X-O Manowar- Not a bad book on it's own, but similar to other books on this list, I don't think Hallum actually read the previous runs.
9. Dr. Mirage- Fundamental misunderstanding of the characters of Shan and Hwen, although it's bolstered by some incredible artwork and an engaging plot.

Jrosen
Harbinger rank: Aonisaibushi
Harbinger rank: Aonisaibushi
Posts: 177
Joined: Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:07:31 pm
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Jrosen »

You should ask Rahal about his time on Bloodshot PRS, it enlightening to say the least.

User avatar
Dallow Spicer1
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
Posts: 1965
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:19:05 am
Valiant fan since: Mid 90's
Favorite character: X-O
Favorite title: X-O
Favorite writer: V-Ditti & Dysart
Favorite artist: Larosa
Location: United Kingdom
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Dallow Spicer1 »

Jrosen wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:09:01 am
You should ask Rahal about his time on Bloodshot PRS, it enlightening to say the least.
I felt sorry for him having to finish off that train wreck. He’s a decent writer and did what he could with that pile of trash that had preceded him.

User avatar
IMJ
I have a Quasar collection. And I love it. So there.
I have a Quasar collection. And I love it. So there.
Posts: 4313
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:05:45 am
Valiant fan since: VH1 X-O Manowar #1
Favorite character: VH1 Sting | VH2 Rai
Favorite title: VH2 Rai
Favorite writer: Kurt Busiek
Favorite artist: Sean Chen
Location: Chicago, IL
Contact:
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by IMJ »

You forgot the "I didn't read any of this dreg" and the "I like pie" options in the poll....

User avatar
TheeBaldMoose
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Posts: 2398
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:03:41 pm
Valiant fan since: ECCC April 2016
Favorite character: Bloodshot/Ninjak/Divinity
Favorite title: Divinity/BS Reborn/Britannia
Favorite writer: Kindt/Lemire/Roberts
Favorite artist: All of them, really
Location: Tacoma
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by TheeBaldMoose »

Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:21:26 am
Jrosen wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:09:01 am
You should ask Rahal about his time on Bloodshot PRS, it enlightening to say the least.
I felt sorry for him having to finish off that train wreck. He’s a decent writer and did what he could with that pile of trash that had preceded him.
Agreed! Think this was his third bail out of Valiant. I know he did Q&W's ongoing, picked it up and finished it. He also did Bloodshot, but I wanna say he finished off a story, and didn't get writers credit for it as well.
Moose

User avatar
Ramses818
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Posts: 2374
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:46:41 pm
Valiant fan since: X-O Manowar 14
Favorite character: Rai
Favorite title: X-o but maybe soon to be Rai
Favorite writer: Joshua Dysart
Favorite artist: Clayton Crain
Location: Southern California
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Ramses818 »

My votes went as followed:

Bloodshot PRS - I really wanted to like this series because I liked the creative team involved. I just couldn’t.

Roku - the art was bad and changing the fundamentals of the character led me to hate this book. Bad dialogue was no help.

Dr. Mirage - this changed everything about this once strong intelligent female character, and not in good ways. The art was fine and I loved the coloring. I think I would give the writer a pass because I think this was a editorial mandate.

New XO is ok to look at, just don’t look deep. .. and if you read XO before, forget it. This ain’t that.

Livewire - I wanted to like because of Vita, but I only caught the end and I am sorry I did.

Psi-Lords - I actually enjoyed the end. I again did not come in at the start but the ending issues did make me want to read more.

Bloodshot - sorry I love Brett Booth’s work so I will keep getting it even if the story is not doing it for me.

Rai - there is no way this should be on this list. The book is excellent in every part of its execution. The best DMG series by a country mile!

User avatar
Sunlight on Snow
Nanite-powered posting
Nanite-powered posting
Posts: 1348
Joined: Sat May 28, 2016 1:11:03 pm
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Sunlight on Snow »

Ramses818 wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:15:29 am
Bloodshot - sorry I love Brett Booth’s work so I will keep getting it even if the story is not doing it for me.
Isn't it Marc Laming now?

User avatar
Ramses818
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Rockin' out in Torquehalla
Posts: 2374
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:46:41 pm
Valiant fan since: X-O Manowar 14
Favorite character: Rai
Favorite title: X-o but maybe soon to be Rai
Favorite writer: Joshua Dysart
Favorite artist: Clayton Crain
Location: Southern California
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Ramses818 »

Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:27:27 am
Ramses818 wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:15:29 am
Bloodshot - sorry I love Brett Booth’s work so I will keep getting it even if the story is not doing it for me.
Isn't it Marc Laming now?
He did some fill in work, but I asked Brett on Twitter and he said he is working on pages right now...this was just before the pencils down order.

User avatar
Sunlight on Snow
Nanite-powered posting
Nanite-powered posting
Posts: 1348
Joined: Sat May 28, 2016 1:11:03 pm
Re: What was the Worst DMG/Valiant Series!?

Post by Sunlight on Snow »

Ramses818 wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:32:21 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:27:27 am
Ramses818 wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:15:29 am
Bloodshot - sorry I love Brett Booth’s work so I will keep getting it even if the story is not doing it for me.
Isn't it Marc Laming now?
He did some fill in work, but I asked Brett on Twitter and he said he is working on pages right now...this was just before the pencils down order.
YES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yWvSel ... tu.be&t=49


Post Reply