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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:15:34 am
I cannot believe this "pinned" thread is still on page 1 (one)!

Maybe the problem isn't too many unresolved storylines but simply not enough stories?!? :hm:
The problem is neither of the above...but we as posters are always putting our headcanon and conjecture into a current post. Which is exactly why (reading back on this thread) I added my comments about UFO tech and Faraway Tech never being mentioned again, despite PRS being a staple of the Valiant Universe. That advanced tech would have sure come in handy during the Armor Hunters incident. So, are A+A like Q+W and their continuity doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things? That just gave me an idea! Why wasn't Mary Maria in the just concluded Doctor Tomorrow run? But General Heels (Capshaw) was so very realistic...p'shaw! If nothing else, Mary Maria could CERTAINLY have been in that overblown alternate universe battle in #1. I've been waiting to see her again way more than GN-GR and General Heels.

And that comment about Armor Hunters got me thinking too...where were the HARD Corps during Armor Hunters? I've actually looked a little bit at the continuity of Bloodshot, but I haven't read past Mission Improbable so I'm not sure what condition HARD Corps is left in when (I think?) HARD Corps and Bloodshot and PRS all battle it out right before the opening of Armor Hunters.

I'm also wondering where other VU characters were during AH. I suspect there was PLENTY of fan conjecture at the time the event was published, and I am merely very late to the game. But I've already puzzled on this...and they never reveal (as far as I know) how the Alien Hounds in NYC were defeated... although we see most of the other Hound battles. So there's smoking gun #1. And wasn't Orb Industries with that rich Vine traitor in NYC? And wasn't Commander Trill hiding out in a bunker in NYC? And isn't ComicCon in NYC? And didn't Archer first find Armstrong in that bar in NYC with all those bras on the wall? Back in the Deliquents was Armstrong's apartment in NYC (I don't recall?) Hasn't Toyo Harada got headquarters in NYC? (seriously I don't recall)
I've been looking everywhere for the ultra-rare Turok vs Blister issue. Anybody able to help me out?

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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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Oxmyx wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:33:13 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:15:34 am
I cannot believe this "pinned" thread is still on page 1 (one)!

Maybe the problem isn't too many unresolved storylines but simply not enough stories?!? :hm:
The problem is neither of the above...but we as posters are always putting our headcanon and conjecture into a current post. Which is exactly why (reading back on this thread) I added my comments about UFO tech and Faraway Tech never being mentioned again, despite PRS being a staple of the Valiant Universe. That advanced tech would have sure come in handy during the Armor Hunters incident. So, are A+A like Q+W and their continuity doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things? That just gave me an idea! Why wasn't Mary Maria in the just concluded Doctor Tomorrow run? But General Heels (Capshaw) was so very realistic...p'shaw! If nothing else, Mary Maria could CERTAINLY have been in that overblown alternate universe battle in #1. I've been waiting to see her again way more than GN-GR and General Heels.

And that comment about Armor Hunters got me thinking too...where were the HARD Corps during Armor Hunters? I've actually looked a little bit at the continuity of Bloodshot, but I haven't read past Mission Improbable so I'm not sure what condition HARD Corps is left in when (I think?) HARD Corps and Bloodshot and PRS all battle it out right before the opening of Armor Hunters.

I'm also wondering where other VU characters were during AH. I suspect there was PLENTY of fan conjecture at the time the event was published, and I am merely very late to the game. But I've already puzzled on this...and they never reveal (as far as I know) how the Alien Hounds in NYC were defeated... although we see most of the other Hound battles. So there's smoking gun #1. And wasn't Orb Industries with that rich Vine traitor in NYC? And wasn't Commander Trill hiding out in a bunker in NYC? And isn't ComicCon in NYC? And didn't Archer first find Armstrong in that bar in NYC with all those bras on the wall? Back in the Deliquents was Armstrong's apartment in NYC (I don't recall?) Hasn't Toyo Harada got headquarters in NYC? (seriously I don't recall)
Just in case...potential spoilers are blacked out.

UFO tech from Roswell and the Faraway isn't very advanced.
GATE & Capshaw have been using alien tech all the time. GIN-GR's basically working for GATE, too.
PRS' technology--nanites and neural implants--are far more advanced than the Roswell and Faraway Tech as well. Remember Deathmate!

I don't even want to see each and every character in all the events. Like Doctor Tomorrow, many of the characters are not even supposed to be there--if the story takes place in the present day of this Valiant Universe. Characters should only be used when it makes sense to use them (powers, availability, and actually making use of them; they don't need to just bystanders). Where had A&A been during AH? IIRC they were having trouble with the Lizard King.

The Armor Hunters Hounds?!? They were killed by Bloodshot, Ninjak, and X-O Manowar. That's what the heroes are there for! Yes yes yes, we might have seen more than 10 different hounds and only half of them or so were killed in panels but that's not really a big mystery that needs solving. If some of the Hounds survived in the sewer tunnels of Manhattan they were certainly eaten by the Bloodshot zombie herd during BS USA later on.

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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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From VH1, but I recall being mocked ~10 years ago when I expressed sadness that the original Ninjak title ended mid-storyline.

Apparently no one much was reading that title after issue 20 or so (or...to be fair, maybe issue 10).

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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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Did Simon Oreck die?I know he was in the bloodshot series before the current one,but i can't remember if he died or not. :!:
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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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mramsterdam wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:33:35 pm
Did Simon Oreck die?I know he was in the bloodshot series before the current one,but i can't remember if he died or not. :!:
Of course, he died!

Bloodshot (Vol. 2) #16

In the current universe he might still be running around somewhere....or he was just a false memory. :hm:

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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:46:30 am
mramsterdam wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:33:35 pm
Did Simon Oreck die?I know he was in the bloodshot series before the current one,but i can't remember if he died or not. :!:
Of course, he died!

Bloodshot (Vol. 2) #16

In the current universe he might still be running around somewhere....or he was just a false memory. :hm:
I meant in VEI or dmg bloodshot.
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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:24:57 pm
Oxmyx wrote:
Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:33:13 am
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:15:34 am
I cannot believe this "pinned" thread is still on page 1 (one)!

Maybe the problem isn't too many unresolved storylines but simply not enough stories?!? :hm:

about UFO tech and Faraway Tech never being mentioned again, despite PRS being a staple of the Valiant Universe. That advanced tech would have sure come in handy during the Armor Hunters incident.

Why wasn't Mary Maria in the just concluded Doctor Tomorrow run?

...that comment about Armor Hunters got me thinking too...where were the HARD Corps during Armor Hunters? I've actually looked a little bit at the continuity of Bloodshot, but I haven't read past Mission Improbable so I'm not sure what condition HARD Corps is left in when (I think?) HARD Corps and Bloodshot and PRS all battle it out right before the opening of Armor Hunters.

I've already puzzled on this...and they never reveal (as far as I know) how the Alien Hounds in NYC were defeated... although we see most of the other Hound battles.
Just in case...potential spoilers are blacked out.

UFO tech from Roswell and the Faraway isn't very advanced.
GATE & Capshaw have been using alien tech all the time. GIN-GR's basically working for GATE, too.
PRS' technology--nanites and neural implants--are far more advanced than the Roswell and Faraway Tech as well. Remember Deathmate!

I don't even want to see each and every character in all the events. Like Doctor Tomorrow, many of the characters are not even supposed to be there--if the story takes place in the present day of this Valiant Universe. Characters should only be used when it makes sense to use them (powers, availability, and actually making use of them; they don't need to just bystanders). Where had A&A been during AH? IIRC they were having trouble with the Lizard King.

The Armor Hunters Hounds?!? They were killed by Bloodshot, Ninjak, and X-O Manowar. That's what the heroes are there for! Yes yes yes, we might have seen more than 10 different hounds and only half of them or so were killed in panels but that's not really a big mystery that needs solving. If some of the Hounds survived in the sewer tunnels of Manhattan they were certainly eaten by the Bloodshot zombie herd during BS USA later on.
Weirdly, I just saw this reply.

First, thanks for trying to protect me from spoilers. Keep it up. Although not always needed, you are being 😎 cool.

You make a good point that the PRS nanites and HARD tech appear much more advanced than A+A UFO tech and Faraway tech, but I got the distinct impression that it was hinted that the UFO/Faraway tech was the foundation or origin of all or most of the PRS tech. Right? Or do I misremember?

Also, I agree that GATE having alien tech (Vine) and GN-GR is also a good point, but didn't that all come about AFTER the events of the Armor Hunters? At the point of the Alien Hounds (for instance), wasn't it just MERO and aware of Vine tech but didn't have much?

Oh and I COMPLETELY agree about Mary Maria in your comment about it being undesirable to have too many and wasted characters. I was just thinking at least Mary Maria would have been cooler AND made more sense than some characters in Dr. Tomorrow.

Why do you say A+A were busy with the Lizard King? I don't recall any reason that those events took place instead of AH. We're there any ties I don't recall? I feel like before or after are both somewhat possible.

And what's with the Remember Deathmate! thing? Are you referring to VH1 Deathmate or is there another one in VEI?
I've been looking everywhere for the ultra-rare Turok vs Blister issue. Anybody able to help me out?

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Re: BRAINSTORMING SESSION! Valiant unresolved storylines...

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Oxmyx wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:59:06 pm
Weirdly, I just saw this reply.

First, thanks for trying to protect me from spoilers. Keep it up. Although not always needed, you are being 😎 cool.

You make a good point that the PRS nanites and HARD tech appear much more advanced than A+A UFO tech and Faraway tech, but I got the distinct impression that it was hinted that the UFO/Faraway tech was the foundation or origin of all or most of the PRS tech. Right? Or do I misremember?

Also, I agree that GATE having alien tech (Vine) and GN-GR is also a good point, but didn't that all come about AFTER the events of the Armor Hunters? At the point of the Alien Hounds (for instance), wasn't it just MERO and aware of Vine tech but didn't have much?

Oh and I COMPLETELY agree about Mary Maria in your comment about it being undesirable to have too many and wasted characters. I was just thinking at least Mary Maria would have been cooler AND made more sense than some characters in Dr. Tomorrow.

Why do you say A+A were busy with the Lizard King? I don't recall any reason that those events took place instead of AH. We're there any ties I don't recall? I feel like before or after are both somewhat possible.

And what's with the Remember Deathmate! thing? Are you referring to VH1 Deathmate or is there another one in VEI?
Hmm, A&A ran into Roswell. I don't remember if there were any connections to PRS. Then again, PRS were part of the Sect. I need to re-read this now.

Mary Maria, she's on the run with the sisters (Bronson's my favorite). Last time they were seen in Belgium IIRC.

A+A being busy with the Lizard King.....because those issues were released around the same time.

Deathmate. Hehe. You need to read Bloodshot Reborn (asap)....which is one of the best VEI stories.


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