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'The Forgotten Queen'

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Valiant Entertainment to Publish ‘The Forgotten Queen’

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/10/22 ... ten-queen/

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first thought was the upcoming book, Incursion. But this makes it sound like summer of 2019.

Then Robert Meyers drops this image on Twitter yesterday with a SHHH.
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Got me wondering if the two are connected, or is this something else entirely. With Master Darque getting ready to bite the big one, wonder if this will be the new evil.
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Let’s hope that fs a new character, preferably a villain.

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So, If "The Forgotten Queen" does introduce a major Villainess into the Valiant world (which I think it needs).... I wonder what the "first appearance issue" for this character will be? Issue #1 of this new series?... or possibly a small first appearance buried in a back issue that they are now going to breath new life into the character?

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can we hope that she's somehow tied to Savage?

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We never got Psi-Lords... perhaps they were forgotten. :hm:

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Maybe the official unofficial version of Mother God (I know there’s the Divinity Trinity stand ins for solar-mother god-eclipse).
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BugsySig wrote:Maybe the official unofficial version of Mother God (I know there’s the Divinity Trinity stand ins for solar-mother god-eclipse).
Maybe it's Myshka. She doesn't have a fancy trademark, and we haven't seen much of her lately. :hm:

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BugsySig wrote:Maybe the official unofficial version of Mother God (I know there’s the Divinity Trinity stand ins for solar-mother god-eclipse).
Maybe it's Myshka. She doesn't have a fancy trademark, and we haven't seen much of her lately. :hm:
Yeah, couldn’t think of her name. Dark hair and light eyes would match. Not sure she fits the bill as a “Queen” though.

Could it be another Britannia mini?

Sorry, but I’m not putting a lot of faith in the DMG led VALIANT to start publishing original characters over their existing IPs.
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Valiant typically only files trademarks for big title characters. This is a good sign, I think.

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nycjadie wrote:Valiant typically only files trademarks for big title characters. This is a good sign, I think.
Correct me if Im wrong but didnt valiant not dmg file for stuff and it never panned out. I cant remember exactly but just a few years ago.
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TheeBaldMoose wrote:first thought was the upcoming book, Incursion. But this makes it sound like summer of 2019.

Then Robert Meyers drops this image on Twitter yesterday with a SHHH.
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Got me wondering if the two are connected, or is this something else entirely. With Master Darque getting ready to bite the big one, wonder if this will be the new evil.
I've also noticed Illidge hyping Eternal Warrior often on Twitter, I could see the connection

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Here's a list of Valiant's US trademarks (live and dead). Klang is the only one that really is an interesting outlier. It seems they think Neela is an important character. And The Red Legend seems to be elevated to trademark filing-worthy status.

1 88158569 THE FORGOTTEN QUEEN TSDR LIVE
2 88158562 THE FORGOTTEN QUEEN TSDR LIVE
3 88011013 INCURSION TSDR LIVE
4 88011010 NEELA TSDR LIVE
5 88010997 NEELA TSDR LIVE
6 87030822 VALIANT TSDR LIVE
7 87030817 V TSDR LIVE
8 87037020 5509031 WAR MOTHER TSDR LIVE
9 87750334 LIVEWIRE TSDR LIVE
10 87248730 THE RED LEGEND TSDR LIVE
11 87314305 5439344 RAPTURE TSDR LIVE
12 87685756 5433605 SHADOWMAN TSDR LIVE
13 87428469 V VALIANT DIGITAL TSDR LIVE
14 87428464 NINJAK VS THE VALIANT UNIVERSE TSDR LIVE
15 87298438 DIVINITY TSDR DEAD
16 87037829 5274029 VALIANT TSDR LIVE
17 87037815 5274028 V TSDR LIVE
18 87217148 5214022 4001 AD TSDR LIVE
19 86861772 THE 1% TSDR LIVE
20 86860111 KLANG TSDR LIVE
21 86626702 GIN-GR TSDR DEAD
22 86835549 BRITANNIA TSDR LIVE
23 86395839 5475777 ETERNITY TSDR LIVE
24 86023157 ARCHER TSDR DEAD
25 86315644 LIVEWIRE TSDR DEAD
26 86780695 5205607 GENERATION ZERO TSDR LIVE
27 86981444 5172983 BRITANNIA TSDR LIVE
28 86766627 5120574 4001 TSDR LIVE
29 86766630 5088028 FAITH TSDR LIVE
30 86406165 4770416 IMPERIUM TSDR LIVE
31 86359790 5046075 THE DELINQUENTS TSDR LIVE
32 86512159 4942525 DEAD DROP TSDR LIVE
33 86118039 4889972 ARMOR HUNTERS TSDR LIVE
34 86709029 4874544 X-O MANOWAR TSDR LIVE
35 86690971 ROBOT HUNTER TSDR DEAD
36 86690963 DINOSAUR HUNTER TSDR DEAD
37 86723966 MAN OF THE ATOM TSDR DEAD
38 85605065 5129247 V VALIANT TSDR LIVE
39 85459389 4960461 VALIANT TSDR LIVE
40 85856259 THE 1% TSDR DEAD
41 85975525 4756532 VALIANT TSDR LIVE
42 85983034 4657112 V VALIANT TSDR LIVE
43 85802553 4492291 UNITY TSDR LIVE
44 85797670 4486195 HARBINGER WARS TSDR LIVE
45 85607791 4257437 PSI-LORDS TSDR LIVE
46 85607788 4257436 GEOMANCER TSDR LIVE
47 78896272 3514273 DOCTOR TOMORROW TSDR LIVE
48 78896259 3514272 TIMEWALKER TSDR LIVE
49 78638219 3473701 TSDR LIVE
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Forgive me for my ignorance... but what does it mean for the US Trademark to be "alive" vs. "dead?" I was thinking, at first, that "dead" might mean a no longer current or active trademark (like possibly Solar... since that is now a gold key character). This doesn't appear be the case because more current Characters such as Divinity and GIN-GR are labeled as "dead" characters on the above list.
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Didnt the spider aliens have a queen?
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I just went to that Groupees link.
One of the comics titles has "To Kill a King" in it.

but i'm an idiot anyway so forget i posted this.
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Juki wrote:Forgive me for my ignorance... but what does it mean for the US Trademark to be "alive" vs. "dead?" I was thinking, at first, that "dead" might mean a no longer current or active trademark (like possibly Solar... since that is now a gold key character). This doesn't appear be the case because more current Characters such as Divinity and GIN-GR are labeled as "dead" characters on the above list.
Dead just means a trademark application is no longer active. The reasons why are sometimes technical, but it looks like Valiant either encountered obstacles to registrations (like for Divinity), or they couldn't show that the trademark was used for the specific goods it filed for (like for Gin-Gr).

I just think they need better TM counsel;)

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Thanks for that clarification, I was wondering the same thing.

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Seems like loose ends if they don't have all major characters under TM.

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It's really difficult to protect character names under trademark law. You have to use them in a brand-sense to obtain and maintain rights. Comic book series titles are one way. Another is certain types of merchandising. It's unlikely they could get all of their characters registered, but they have protection under copyright law.

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Copyright, and trademark are separate. Valiant has trademarked the titles for almost every book they've published, including events like Rapture, 4001 AD, and Delinquents. Publishing a book with that title makes it easier to trademark something, because you have proof of ownership of that title. Valiant can't really trademark GN-GR, because they've never actually put GN-GR's name as the title for anything. Obviously they own the copyright for a giant robot from space named GN-GR, but they don't own the trademark for the actual title GN-GR, because they've never used it for marketing purposes before.

A good example was the recent Bumblebee V. Bumblebee court case between Hasbro and Warner Bros. DC owns the copyright to an insect themed superheroine with shrinking powers, but they don't own the trademark to the title Bumblebee for marketing purposes. Bumblebee (DC) was created over a decade before Bumblebee (Hasbro), but Hasbro has been using the Bumblebee title for marketing their toys since the characters inception. DC only recently began producing toys for Bumblebee (DC) so even though the character's copyright was older than Hasbro's, Hasbro had been using the Bumblebee title as part of their marketing for decades. This lead to a trademark dispute which was recently resolved in private. Same reason why Changeling went back to being called Beast Boy in the 90s. Warner Bros./DC didn't own the trademark to the title "Changeling", and they had to go back to using Beast Boy if they wanted to produced and market any toys or comics involving the character.

It's interesting that they're attempting to file a trademark for an upcoming book before they secure the trademarks for their already existing characters. That's pretty much the main reason why Livewire is getting an ongoing series. Now Valiant has a claim to the Livewire trademark is DC tries to dispute that they own the rights to the trademark for their Livewire. Similar thing happened with Outcast. They book was rereleased in digital so that Valiant could preserve the trademark if they decided to use the character in the future, forcing Robert Kirkman to change the title of his upcoming comic.

They still need to secure the trademark for GN-GR, Red Legend, and Neela Timewalker. They might currently have the trademarks for Red Legend and Neela, but if they don't publish any books with their names in the title that could potentially lead to a trademark dispute if someone else tries to use Red Legend as the title for something. They might have an active trademark now, but if they don't actually do anything with the character that could lead to problems.

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BugsySig wrote:Could it be another Britannia mini?
I'm on this line of thinking too: the TM is for a title, not a character. I think there's a good chance that it's a new Britannia mini too, but I'm staking my official prediction right here:

The Forgotten Queen is the title of a mini centering on Sandria Darque.
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Ive already forgotten.
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TheeBaldMoose wrote:first thought was the upcoming book, Incursion. But this makes it sound like summer of 2019.

Then Robert Meyers drops this image on Twitter yesterday with a SHHH.
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Got me wondering if the two are connected, or is this something else entirely. With Master Darque getting ready to bite the big one, wonder if this will be the new evil.
I hate to say it but could this be War Monger glubbing away pinned under a dead Anchor at the bottom of the ocean?

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hawkeyeps wrote:
TheeBaldMoose wrote:first thought was the upcoming book, Incursion. But this makes it sound like summer of 2019.

Then Robert Meyers drops this image on Twitter yesterday with a SHHH.
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Got me wondering if the two are connected, or is this something else entirely. With Master Darque getting ready to bite the big one, wonder if this will be the new evil.
I hate to say it but could this be War Monger glubbing away pinned under a dead Anchor at the bottom of the ocean?
:o I think you got it. They certainly named her correctly. I had forgotten. :lol:


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