Harbinger Renegade #0 - Solomon unleashes horror on NOV 8

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:35:15 pm

HARBINGER RENEGADE #0
Written by RAFER ROBERTS
Art by JUAN JOSÉ RYP
Cover A by CLAYTON HENRY
Cover B by ROBERTO DE LA TORRE
Cover C by JUAN JOSÉ RYP
Variant Cover by KHARI EVANS
Variant Cover by BEN TIESMA
$3.99 | 32 pgs. | T+ | On Sale NOVEMBER 8th (FOC – 10/16/17)

Harbinger Renegade #0 To Point The Way To Valiant's Harbinger Wars 2
http://comicbook.com/comics/2017/08/15/ ... 0-valiant/

TheeBaldMoose · Post by **TheeBaldMoose** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:05:38 pm

Looks real good!

From a collectors point of view (at least mine) seems like it'll get harder and harder to collect that Harbi Renegade #6 1:50, as I have only seen one on the Bay, and nothing anywhere else. Even getting tough to find the 1:20's...

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:36:48 pm

TheeBaldMoose wrote:Looks real good!

From a collectors point of view (at least mine) seems like it'll get harder and harder to collect that Harbi Renegade #6 1:50, as I have only seen one on the Bay, and nothing anywhere else. Even getting tough to find the 1:20's...

Yup, pretty hard to find unfortunately. I guess not too many copies were ordered. Maybe close to or even less than 100?

TheeBaldMoose · Post by **TheeBaldMoose** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:31:39 pm

Sunlight on Snow wrote:
TheeBaldMoose wrote:Looks real good!

From a collectors point of view (at least mine) seems like it'll get harder and harder to collect that Harbi Renegade #6 1:50, as I have only seen one on the Bay, and nothing anywhere else. Even getting tough to find the 1:20's...
Yup, pretty hard to find unfortunately. I guess not too many copies were ordered. Maybe close to or even less than 100?

Na, gotta be the regular 350ish copies out there in the wild. People are just starting to pay attention, and collectors are latching on to this one. Like I said, even the 1:20's are hard to find. Tons of 1:10's on ebay and other places, but they are either holding them or people are buying them like crazy

The book is selling, there is enough hype around it...

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:06:19 am

TheeBaldMoose wrote:
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
TheeBaldMoose wrote:Looks real good!

From a collectors point of view (at least mine) seems like it'll get harder and harder to collect that Harbi Renegade #6 1:50, as I have only seen one on the Bay, and nothing anywhere else. Even getting tough to find the 1:20's...
Yup, pretty hard to find unfortunately. I guess not too many copies were ordered. Maybe close to or even less than 100?
Na, gotta be the regular 350ish copies out there in the wild. People are just starting to pay attention, and collectors are latching on to this one. Like I said, even the 1:20's are hard to find. Tons of 1:10's on ebay and other places, but they are either holding them or people are buying them like crazy

The book is selling, there is enough hype around it...

According to comichron H:R #5 sold about 8,300 copies. The sixth issue likely sold a little less and you can't just divide the total by 50 because there are more shops ordering less copies than shops ordering 50 or 100.

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:35:26 am

I assumed #5 would probably be around 3/350, but at 8.3K, it's definitely less than that. So #6 1:50, about a hundred or so out in the wild, is definitely plausible. My wallets been taking a beating lately, but I'm not complaining....

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:50:31 am

agent_graves wrote:I assumed #5 would probably be around 3/350, but at 8.3K, it's definitely less than that. So #6 1:50, about a hundred or so out in the wild, is definitely plausible. My wallets been taking a beating lately, but I'm not complaining....

Awesome!

Though it's one less copy available for the rest of us. Not cool!

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:00:44 am

The retailer ratios don't matter (much) because Valiant does print 350+ copies of every book to meet both the internal company needs and the retailer incentives.
It is possible to calculate that they should only have 100 copies of some variants (such as 4001A.D. 1:100 variants), but there are usually 400+.

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:14:37 pm

greg wrote:The retailer ratios don't matter (much) because Valiant does print 350+ copies of every book to meet both the internal company needs and the retailer incentives.
It is possible to calculate that they should only have 100 copies of some variants (such as 4001A.D. 1:100 variants), but there are usually 400+.

What?!? The publisher may order more copies from the printer than needed to meet (their internal and) the retailers' demand but that doesn't mean ratios don't matter. If they didn't matter the whole sales strategy behind incentives would be pointless.

kjjohanson · Post by **kjjohanson** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:17:34 pm

Sunlight on Snow wrote:
greg wrote:The retailer ratios don't matter (much) because Valiant does print 350+ copies of every book to meet both the internal company needs and the retailer incentives.
It is possible to calculate that they should only have 100 copies of some variants (such as 4001A.D. 1:100 variants), but there are usually 400+.
What?!? The publisher may order more copies from the printer than needed to meet (their internal and) the retailers' demand but that doesn't mean ratios don't matter. If they didn't matter the whole sales strategy behind incentives would be pointless.

The ratios matter in regards to the number that will initially be available via the normal distribution system. But that doesn't mean that more can't get out. The Harbinger Wars 1 1:50s were given out to people that completed Amazon reviews for a number of Valiant trades a while back. If I'm not mistaken they were also given out at a SDCC poker night? So it's not accurate to say "There were only X printed" when the reality is "there were at most X distributed as an incentive."

slack · Post by **slack** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:14:38 pm

a bunch of people just read all this and pooped in disbelief/shock.

kjjohanson wrote:
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
greg wrote:The retailer ratios don't matter (much) because Valiant does print 350+ copies of every book to meet both the internal company needs and the retailer incentives.
It is possible to calculate that they should only have 100 copies of some variants (such as 4001A.D. 1:100 variants), but there are usually 400+.
What?!? The publisher may order more copies from the printer than needed to meet (their internal and) the retailers' demand but that doesn't mean ratios don't matter. If they didn't matter the whole sales strategy behind incentives would be pointless.
The ratios matter in regards to the number that will initially be available via the normal distribution system. But that doesn't mean that more can't get out. The Harbinger Wars 1 1:50s were given out to people that completed Amazon reviews for a number of Valiant trades a while back. If I'm not mistaken they were also given out at a SDCC poker night? So it's not accurate to say "There were only X printed" when the reality is "there were at most X distributed as an incentive."

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:15:08 pm

kjjohanson wrote:
Sunlight on Snow wrote:
greg wrote:The retailer ratios don't matter (much) because Valiant does print 350+ copies of every book to meet both the internal company needs and the retailer incentives.
It is possible to calculate that they should only have 100 copies of some variants (such as 4001A.D. 1:100 variants), but there are usually 400+.
What?!? The publisher may order more copies from the printer than needed to meet (their internal and) the retailers' demand but that doesn't mean ratios don't matter. If they didn't matter the whole sales strategy behind incentives would be pointless.
The ratios matter in regards to the number that will initially be available via the normal distribution system. But that doesn't mean that more can't get out. The Harbinger Wars 1 1:50s were given out to people that completed Amazon reviews for a number of Valiant trades a while back. If I'm not mistaken they were also given out at a SDCC poker night? So it's not accurate to say "There were only X printed" when the reality is "there were at most X distributed as an incentive."

That's exactly right.

Publishers can print whatever they want and they don't need permission to print 1 or 1,000,000. Retailers, though, can only order what the publishers allow them to order. If they want a particular book that's 1:50, then they need to order 50 others to get 1. The publishers can give a case to each of the artist's nine children if they want too... that has nothing to do with what retailers must do to get one.

Obviously the retailer incentive programs won't work if retailers feel like they're being cheated... so publishers DON'T print 1,000+ extra (as far as we know) because that would anger retailers. But printing 200 extra of anything is probably just "common sense". For most books, 200 extra would be nothing... 10,200 vs. 10,000 or 1,200 vs. 1,000... those 200 would be internal use... extras for damages. So why would that change for a book that might only have 100 copies for retailers? That's only 300 total and the number extra is the same as always (not a percent... the number extra). I wanted to think that we could calculate the print runs just using orders and ratios. Not true. I was corrected.

Valiant isn't hiding anything. They have told us... the fans... that they print at least 400 of every book. Then they made a point to say that Divinity #1 1:40 variant was closer to 350 copies.
They made a point to say that X-O Manowar #1 1:500 metal variant was closer to 200 (unless I'm misremembering that)... but if they don't tell us anything, we should assume 400 is still the minimum.

A retailer incentive says "order 50 and you get 1 variant". But a fan might get one for free at a convention. An executive might really like the cover and put a case in his own collection. A movie studio might get two cases of free books if there's a potential media deal to be made... better yet, six movie studios get two cases each because the deal is being shopped around.

They might announce tomorrow that they only printed 12 copies of Harbinger Renegade #6 1:50 because only 12 retailers qualified. That would be fine, too.

777Peralta · Post by **777Peralta** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:27:23 am

So Harbinger Wars #1 1:50, Xomanowar #1 comicspro, and whatever rare comic was handed out at poker night hope no Shadowman 13 got handed out lol

So I remember CBSI hating on Valiant for saying if your not in the select circle of close friends you don't get these secret hook ups of stock piled comics to sale.

In the casino biz we call this "collusion" like for example PGX grading friends books and giving 9.9 grades to sale on eBay.

I hope this isn't the case but it does have me wonder about things now and don't want to see:

Marvel=CGC
DC=CBCS
Valiant =PGX because of collusion

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:09:33 am

Hot 10 Comics...

777Peralta · Post by **777Peralta** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:42:18 am

I bought the only one I saw on eBay that wasn't the other two presales

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:40:04 am

I never said only 100 or so copies may have been printed/produced... but ordered by shops (through the incentive program) and that is all that counts here.

TheeBaldMoose · Post by **TheeBaldMoose** » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:13:32 am

I wonder... With these harder to find, what would an auction end at, if it were on Ebay? $150...$250?

I'm thinking that it probably would end closer to the $250 range, if not more.

Sunlight on Snow · Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:14:58 pm

TheeBaldMoose wrote:I wonder... With these harder to find, what would an auction end at, if it were on Ebay? $150...$250?

I'm thinking that it probably would end closer to the $250 range, if not more.

The last two BINs sold for $149 already. More than $200 in an auction seems possible.

I wonder what the starting price for the first slabbed copy will be like?

Bl00dsh0t · Post by **Bl00dsh0t** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:55:24 am

Looking at the Valiant website, it reads as though there is going to be a six month break! WTF! between Harbinger Renegade 0 in November and HWII starting in May - surely not...

TheFerg714 · Post by **TheFerg714** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:33:44 am

Bl00dsh0t wrote:Looking at the Valiant website, it reads as though there is going to be a six month break! WTF! between Harbinger Renegade 0 in November and HWII starting in May - surely not...

Woah, what? Seriously? What makes you think this? I had heard somewhere that Renegade wouldn't have any more delays until after HW2. If that's not the case, I am not okay with this in the slightest. I'm seriously loving Roberts' Harbinger, but it's been a year and almost nothing has happened! If that is how they're going to hype HW2... Well, I just don't think it's a good idea.

EDIT: Okay, I just read the Renegade 0 article on their official website. I'm hoping the wording was just a way to hype HW2 some more.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:58:25 am

To say I've been preoccupied lately is putting it lightly; so, someone remind me - what was the comic that we all had to send tokens in for that came from the Harbinger Renegades #1-#4 issues? I thought that was Harbinger Renegade #0 but I guess my memory is off. What was that comic again?

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:51:36 am

Shadowman99 wrote:To say I've been preoccupied lately is putting it lightly; so, someone remind me - what was the comic that we all had to send tokens in for that came from the Harbinger Renegades #1-#4 issues? I thought that was Harbinger Renegade #0 but I guess my memory is off. What was that comic again?

Harbinger Wars 2 #0.

Sunlight on Snow · Post by **Sunlight on Snow** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:08:43 am

TheFerg714 wrote:
Bl00dsh0t wrote:Looking at the Valiant website, it reads as though there is going to be a six month break! WTF! between Harbinger Renegade 0 in November and HWII starting in May - surely not...
Woah, what? Seriously? What makes you think this? I had heard somewhere that Renegade wouldn't have any more delays until after HW2. If that's not the case, I am not okay with this in the slightest. I'm seriously loving Roberts' Harbinger, but it's been a year and almost nothing has happened! If that is how they're going to hype HW2... Well, I just don't think it's a good idea.

EDIT: Okay, I just read the Renegade 0 article on their official website. I'm hoping the wording was just a way to hype HW2 some more.

I don't think the article suggests anything specifically.

Valiant needs to keep the momentum up. There has got to be something else between NOV and MAY. Otherwise, why release the H:R #0 issue in NOV and not right in the middle of a 6-month hiatus? There will be more!

TheeBaldMoose · Post by **TheeBaldMoose** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:48:12 am

TheFerg714 wrote:
Bl00dsh0t wrote:Looking at the Valiant website, it reads as though there is going to be a six month break! WTF! between Harbinger Renegade 0 in November and HWII starting in May - surely not...
Woah, what? Seriously? What makes you think this? I had heard somewhere that Renegade wouldn't have any more delays until after HW2. If that's not the case, I am not okay with this in the slightest. I'm seriously loving Roberts' Harbinger, but it's been a year and almost nothing has happened! If that is how they're going to hype HW2... Well, I just don't think it's a good idea.

EDIT: Okay, I just read the Renegade 0 article on their official website. I'm hoping the wording was just a way to hype HW2 some more.

Also remember, VEI has to get the rest of the universe back to Earth, and fighting the same fight. We have Ninjak and Bloodshot starting up, they have to begin their books, then find a way to get involved with the overall story. We will be at the 1 year mark with XO Manowar, and it has been stated that he will be returning to Earth about that time.

Bottom line, this all needs to gradually spin towards each other, on a collision course.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:29:28 am

777Peralta wrote:So Harbinger Wars #1 1:50, Xomanowar #1 comicspro, and whatever rare comic was handed out at poker night hope no Shadowman 13 got handed out lol

So I remember CBSI hating on Valiant for saying if your not in the select circle of close friends you don't get these secret hook ups of stock piled comics to sale.

In the casino biz we call this "collusion" like for example PGX grading friends books and giving 9.9 grades to sale on eBay.

I hope this isn't the case but it does have me wonder about things now and don't want to see:

Marvel=CGC
DC=CBCS
Valiant =PGX because of collusion

No, it's more like the casino biz where the "high rollers" get special treatment because they drop big bucks at the casinos.
The difference is that VEI doesn't require their "high rollers" to spend millions of dollars. They just have to be fans at a convention.

I haven't gone since 2012 and I haven't gotten any hook up of stock-piled comics since 2012 (when I got the blank covers and distributed them here on the board),
but I'm not hating on those who go to conventions, poker games at convention, or happen to live nearby.

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