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x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:29:18 pm

Solar 10 does have a different cover. Even though it is only the addition of an embosed 2.

The Rai 0 was not designed as a second print. They simply used different paper during the printing. As I understand it, they had just printed the first run when they realized that Diamond had received many more order before the book shipped. So they ran some more copies. Since the book had not made it to stores yet the considered it part of the 1st print.

Harbinger TPB is just a second print. It has the same cover and, as you state doesn't include the Harbinger 0.

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:38:49 pm

I agree with Steve on the Harbinger TPB. The indica is different. I'm with Greg on the glossy. No comment on the VH2 stuff.

x-omatic wrote:Solar 10 does have a different cover. Even though it is only the addition of an embosed 2.

The Rai 0 was not designed as a second print. They simply used different paper during the printing. As I understand it, they had just printed the first run when they realized that Diamond had received many more order before the book shipped. So they ran some more copies. Since the book had not made it to stores yet the considered it part of the 1st print.

Harbinger TPB is just a second print. It has the same cover and, as you state doesn't include the Harbinger 0.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:10:33 pm

Steve I dont believe that the Rai #0 glossy cover should be seperated in the checklist.
We are looking at 135,000 est. copies of this book in print now anyways. I do agree with Greg on this one. The fact that nothing is different on the issue except the slight glossy cover just isn't enough to have it seperated in the checklist.
I do agree that the Harbinger TPB without #0 should be seperated because it is a true 2nd print. Are there another 5k printed of this version? We dont know.
Clearly should be seperated.

I dont think that the Petrilak issue that were signed should make the checklist. If thats the case than why aren't the DF Darque included and Unity Blue/red that was called the San Diego edition......I have two copies of this and they are signed by 7 Valiant creators all in the same spot on these issues. Greg has a FEW of these also so I know there were a large batch signed like this out there.

My opinion
Brian

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:07:21 pm

You guys can keep voting...
but I thought I'd give a quick response...

Harbinger TPB Second Print... I agree this is an official second printing.
It says so on the back of the first page. I will add this book to the checklist.

Rai #0 Glossy... the real problem is how to explain to someone who
owns one copy of Rai #0 whether they are looking at glossy or not.
Nothing helps to identify the book besides an opinion about "glossiness".

While I respect Joe Petrilak's contributions to Valiant promotions...
If it's not a book distributed directly from Valiant or Acclaim... it's not official.
The only exceptions are books with the authorized variant covers.
(HardCorps #5 Comic Defense, Deathmate Previews, Unity 2000 #1 DF, etc.)

As an example of books that are "out there", even in larger quantities,
but they don't make the official item checklist, let's talk about signed books.

There are probably 5,000 copies of X-O #0 signed by Joe Quesada,
in the presence of a reputable source... but there's not an X-O #0 VVSS,
so all those signed copies are not "officially endorsed items" for the checklist.

Dynamic Forces signed books from VH2 are not directly from Acclaim.
They are identical to the unsigned books... so they are certainly authentic,
and they are collectible, but they're not "official items" for the checklist.
The Dynamic Forces Unity 2000 #1 has a variant cover, so it makes the checklist.

Joe Petrilak's books signed by Jim Shooter are not "officially endorsed items".
They're authentic signatures, certainly collectible...
but they're not officially from Acclaim.

Other books that will be added soon...
Valiant Free-View Second Printing (mentioned in the indicia)

Visitor vs. The Valiant Universe #1 - $2.50 cover price (in addition to $2.95 version)

Iron Man / X-O Manowar #1 Video Game variant
(a variant outer cover wrapped around X-O Manowar Vol. 2 #1 Retailer Review)

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:33:43 am

greg wrote:Other books that will be added soon...

Ouch, I was one book from 100%. But I gotta agree the comics mentioned should be added.

Might wonder about Iron Man / X-O Manowar #1 Video Game variant, is that more official than the San Diego Valiant Voice?

Actually, how about the Wizard special. Wasn't that a joint publication, same way as for instance Predator vs Magnus?

/Magnus

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:42:55 am

magnusr wrote:Might wonder about Iron Man / X-O Manowar #1 Video Game variant, is that more official than the San Diego Valiant Voice?

Actually, how about the Wizard special. Wasn't that a joint publication, same way as for instance Predator vs Magnus?

/Magnus

Iron Man / X-O Manowar #1 Video Game variant is a comic book with a variant cover.
That should qualify for the list.

San Diego Valiant Voice is just a "flyer" on regular copier paper, right?
That one seems a little tough to be sure it's authentic if you saw one today.

The Wizard special is an info-magazine... not a comic like Predator vs. Magnus.

The goal is to make a checklist of officially distributed comic books.
Except for Valiant Voice, all of the books on the list are comics.
(Seems like a good argument to take Valiant Voice off, right?)

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:56:38 am

Is the X-O/Iron Man video game variant going to be added to the VH1 orVH2 checklist? I thought in the last discussion about this book, it was determined that it should be considered VH2, but I just wanted to double check.

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:34:27 am

Brother J wrote:Is the X-O/Iron Man video game variant going to be added to the VH1 orVH2 checklist? I thought in the last discussion about this book, it was determined that it should be considered VH2, but I just wanted to double check.

X-O/Iron Man Video Game variant will be a VH2 book, for sure.
It contains the X-O Manowar #1 Volume 2 Retailer Review under
the Video Game cover.

I guess the fate of X-O/Iron Man and Iron Man/X-O books (normal)
is still up in the air. They have been considered VH1 because
they have the "big V" logo on the cover... even though they are
probably somewhere between VH1 and VH2...
The Video Game variant also has the "big V" logo, but the contents are VH2.
Should all the X-O/Iron Man books belong to the same VH2 category?
I like the idea that the last VH1 book is X-O Manowar #68,
since it says "The End?" right on the cover.
But I've heard arguments both ways for keeping X-O/Iron Man in VH1.

Personally, I wouldn't mind dropping
X-O/Iron Man, Deathmate, and Predator vs Magnus altogether in an effort
to keep Valiant "pure"... but I don't think that will ever happen.

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:49:35 am

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:24:07 am

greg wrote:Iron Man / X-O Manowar #1 Video Game variant is a comic book with a variant cover.

Right. I had missed that the reviews are considered variants. Btw, all Review comics miss their images.

San Diego Valiant Voice is just a "flyer" on regular copier paper, right?

Right.

That one seems a little tough to be sure it's authentic if you saw one today.

Right.

The Wizard special is an info-magazine... not a comic like Predator vs. Magnus.

Right. Still with lots of creative input.

Except for Valiant Voice, all of the books on the list are comics.
(Seems like a good argument to take Valiant Voice off, right?)

Right. Or almost. X-O Database, Darque Passages, Valiant Reader, Acclaim Reader (also missing its image), Valiant Vision, even Secrets are on a scale between the two. Then some are partial comics, like the reviews, some are rebound comics, like the Diamond TPBs and so on.

Anyway, the Wizard Special does seem more justified than the Voices. Personally I find the info-mags almost as interesting as the comics. Guess it comes with my fascination for the whole universe.

/Magnus

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:26:23 am

Steve G. wrote:Hi again-
Two points I'd like to make:

1. Greg lists Secrets of the Valiant Universe #1 as a checklist book. But at the time it came out, you had to buy the Wizard Valiant Special to get it. So maybe the Wizard Special should be listed as part of the package that came with SOTVU #1.

No real argument from me here...
Secrets of the Valiant Universe #1 is a comic book given away with a magazine.
I list the comic book on the comic book checklist, but not the magazine.

Steve G. wrote: 2. I don't believe that the Rai #0 glossy was produced in any high numbers as a "2nd print" might indicate. I'd like to read more about the whole 2nd print story. My confusion is that if the glossy version was run at the same time as the non-glossy 1st print, with only a variation in the cover, how does that make it a 2nd print? How is it any different than a 1st print? If they weren't all produced during the same run, wouldn't they have had to legally indicate that it was a 2nd print somewhere? At the time of Valiant's high prices in 1993, the glossy was listed as a Premium book, like a Gold. Look in old issues of CBG for reference. It wasn't mentioned then that it was part of any 2nd printing. Plus it was a very hard issue for me to find at the time. I don't think this would have been the case if it were a "common" 2nd printing. There is more to this story. There has to be. The puzzle doesn't fit together right when it's stated here that it is a 2nd print, yet it was printed as part of the 1st printing...?

The story that I've heard is that it was an "immediate reprinting"...
The orders for Rai #0 were high enough that they immediately went
back to print more of them... the paper used for the cover was not identical,
so the idea of a "glossy version" emerged. They're not "2nd prints"
in the standard sense of re-printing months later.
But they're "last minute add ons" when the presses were rolling.

Steve G. wrote: On a side note, I think it would be great to do a seperate listing of signed books that were offered through Previews & Advance Comics (& other sources), in which a COA or other form of solid verification is present. Books from DF, Clobberin' Time, Accliam Ink, Valiant Validated Online, & others. I know I have around 15 or 20 like this. I think the list would be an interesting list. Best regards---Steve G

I have thought about this before... it might be neat to compile a list
of all the signed books with COAs (and quantities) that are out there.
They won't be part of the official book "checklist",
but they would add to our Valiant knowledge.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:00:59 pm

Maybe the X-O Ironman can be the changing point. Have one part of VH1 & one part of VH2?

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:14:00 pm

Ok, doing some research it looks like it's POSSIBLE that
in addition to the $2.50 and $2.95 versions of
Visitor vs. Valiant Universe #1

...there are possibly also $2.50 and $2.95 versions of:
Visitor vs. Valiant Universe #2
and
Destroyer #0

Can anyone confirm the $2.50 version? I've got the $2.95s on the website.

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:35:54 pm

greg wrote:Can anyone confirm the $2.50 version? I've got the $2.95s on the website.

Greg, you should fire up a new thread totally dedicated to people replying with which version(s) they have. I think that would be cool to follow those results...

valiantdude · Post by **valiantdude** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:22:54 am

there is a Visito vs. #2 newstand. I stopped buying comics for a long time back then, and I was at a grocery store looking at the comics on the rack (all beat up of course) I pulled out that comic #2, i distinctly remember that because it was the first Valiant comic I'd seen on the newstand. and i do remember it having a newstand cover. I thought it was the stuidest thing valiant had done and they had thrown quality out the window,its funny that the artist ended up being very popular today, because his valiant work was *SQUEE*. I doubt there was a desroyer #0 newstand, where can we find out, somebody e-mail bob layton. he seems to pop up when the right questions are asked.

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:15:02 am

valiantdude wrote:i distinctly remember that because it was the first Valiant comic I'd seen on the newstand. and i do remember it having a newstand cover.

What about the Solar #10 white cover? Didn't you say that was a newstand edition? Or did you see that on the newsstands after Visitor VS #2?

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:37:46 pm

Found! Destroyer #0 with $2.50 cover price. I have one... woo hoo!

Let's see what you guys have...
http://www.valiantcomics.com/valiant/fo ... .php?t=505

edlockman · Post by **edlockman** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:46:04 pm

See... Dreams do come true. There really is a Destroyer #0 newstand edition Virginia.

Ok. I'm jealous. I only have the $2.95 version. I feel cheated. I'm going right back to the dealer where I got it from his $.50 bin and asking... no... DEMANDING that I get my money back!

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