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I see lots of young folks at shows. I was in line this year next to a 22 year old woman who bought a Vol 1 Defenders 1 to get signed. Very cool. However, most of the books she consume are digital and trades. I think young people are there. Their consumption is just different, and time will tell if floppies are what they get nostalgic about, or whether TPBs and digital is what they will prefer 20 years from now.

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I could see in the future floppies getting released to signify a digital comic or movie but ya main stream comics may go. But it's not really logical because with out comics how exciting would cons be. Isn't that the point. If you elimate comics then what's left. I won't buy digital I don't like paying for nothing and I don't see digital as getting something when I know pulse could freak out somewhere and send the world into darkness and all digital would be gone.
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nonplayer wrote:I could see in the future floppies getting released to signify a digital comic or movie but ya main stream comics may go. But it's not really logical because with out comics how exciting would cons be. Isn't that the point. If you elimate comics then what's left. I won't buy digital I don't like paying for nothing and I don't see digital as getting something when I know pulse could freak out somewhere and send the world into darkness and all digital would be gone.
If something happened to send the world into darkness I don't think we'll be worried about digital OR physical comics at that point :)
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jeremycoe wrote:
nonplayer wrote:I could see in the future floppies getting released to signify a digital comic or movie but ya main stream comics may go. But it's not really logical because with out comics how exciting would cons be. Isn't that the point. If you elimate comics then what's left. I won't buy digital I don't like paying for nothing and I don't see digital as getting something when I know pulse could freak out somewhere and send the world into darkness and all digital would be gone.
If something happened to send the world into darkness I don't think we'll be worried about digital OR physical comics at that point :)
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Curious no one has mentioned Bone yet. I'm not a huge fan of it, but the fact that it's been reprinted so many times and now Scholastic is behind the book means kids will grow up reading it. Could they one day be interested in tracking down a copy of Bone #1?
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chriskay99 wrote:Curious no one has mentioned Bone yet. I'm not a huge fan of it, but the fact that it's been reprinted so many times and now Scholastic is behind the book means kids will grow up reading it. Could they one day be interested in tracking down a copy of Bone #1?

I'e never had 1 person ask for one issue of Bone. I've read the 1st like 6 TPBs with my kids and really liked the story.

But I see no demand for the singles.

But that could change in like 10 yrs or so.

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Elveen wrote:
chriskay99 wrote:Curious no one has mentioned Bone yet. I'm not a huge fan of it, but the fact that it's been reprinted so many times and now Scholastic is behind the book means kids will grow up reading it. Could they one day be interested in tracking down a copy of Bone #1?

I'e never had 1 person ask for one issue of Bone. I've read the 1st like 6 TPBs with my kids and really liked the story.

But I see no demand for the singles.

But that could change in like 10 yrs or so.
I agree, I don't see the appeal of Bone, but then I've never read an issue. It's not a book i'm chasing for sure.

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Intrepidxc wrote:
Elveen wrote:
chriskay99 wrote:Curious no one has mentioned Bone yet. I'm not a huge fan of it, but the fact that it's been reprinted so many times and now Scholastic is behind the book means kids will grow up reading it. Could they one day be interested in tracking down a copy of Bone #1?

I'e never had 1 person ask for one issue of Bone. I've read the 1st like 6 TPBs with my kids and really liked the story.

But I see no demand for the singles.

But that could change in like 10 yrs or so.
I agree, I don't see the appeal of Bone, but then I've never read an issue. It's not a book i'm chasing for sure.
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Ricomortis wrote:
Intrepidxc wrote:
Elveen wrote:
chriskay99 wrote:Curious no one has mentioned Bone yet. I'm not a huge fan of it, but the fact that it's been reprinted so many times and now Scholastic is behind the book means kids will grow up reading it. Could they one day be interested in tracking down a copy of Bone #1?

I'e never had 1 person ask for one issue of Bone. I've read the 1st like 6 TPBs with my kids and really liked the story.

But I see no demand for the singles.

But that could change in like 10 yrs or so.
I agree, I don't see the appeal of Bone, but then I've never read an issue. It's not a book i'm chasing for sure.
If any of you come across ANY copies of ANY Bone issues in CGC 9.8.... Hook me up. I'll buy them in a heartbeat.

There are some great indie books that very few people likely ask for. Cerebus 1 or Love and Rockets come to mind. Eightball.

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Intrepidxc wrote:
jeremycoe wrote:
nonplayer wrote:I could see in the future floppies getting released to signify a digital comic or movie but ya main stream comics may go. But it's not really logical because with out comics how exciting would cons be. Isn't that the point. If you elimate comics then what's left. I won't buy digital I don't like paying for nothing and I don't see digital as getting something when I know pulse could freak out somewhere and send the world into darkness and all digital would be gone.
If something happened to send the world into darkness I don't think we'll be worried about digital OR physical comics at that point :)
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In my opinion Greg's explanation is pretty spot on. Collectability is about supply and demand. TMNT #1 is that perfect storm of both very short supply and high demand, both sides matter.

Now, where to spend 100k say on modern vs copper vs bronze vs silver vs gold in today's valuations, that's another question. I think if you're investing in comics, you need to be lucky and good, and very targeted to have a chance, long term anyway.

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eschnit wrote:In my opinion Greg's explanation is pretty spot on. Collectability is about supply and demand. TMNT #1 is that perfect storm of both very short supply and high demand, both sides matter.

Now, where to spend 100k say on modern vs copper vs bronze vs silver vs gold in today's valuations, that's another question. I think if you're investing in comics, you need to be lucky and good, and very targeted to have a chance, long term anyway.
I agree for the most part, but I suspect there are some foolproof investments such as AF 15, Tec 27, Action 1. I don't have the money for those foolproof investments, but I think they are available.

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One more quick thought...
Think of which comics you feel "personally connected to"... books that you loved as a child or books that you WISHED you could own as a teenager.
As an adult, you might have all of those... or still have some on your wish list. You still "feel something" for those books.

Now, how many people "feel something" for coins? Stamps? Remember your favorite Saturday morning cartoon about coins? Your stamp collection action figure? Coin lunchbox? No? Me neither.
No billion dollar movies about coins. No binge-watching TV series about stamps. Those two hobbies have zero "nostalgia" and pretty much all the reasons that those hobbies should have died by now.

Are those hobbies dead? Will they die soon? Unlikely. Ebay.com shows 3.9MILLION auctions for stamps. A million auctions for U.S. coins.
The comic hobby falls in between these two as far the number of as auctions go... with the added bonus of billions of dollars of movies and millions of people who now recognize characters as obscure as Enchantress, Amanda Waller, and Ajax (Francis!).

Yes, all "antiquated hobbies" are in danger of having their collectors die out... but until stamps and coins go the way of pogs and tulip bulbs... I think comics are safe as a hobby which will have lots of followers.

I don't think "rare" variants of 21st century Spider-man comics where nothing happens are a good investment at $2,000+, but I do think that first appearances of characters who people CARE about are worth collecting as long as you care about them, too.

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I personally think that commissions and original art is the way to go as far as collectible. Unique pieces numbered to less than 1,000 are worth their weight in gold.

As far as reprint TPBs go- I have a nearly complete set of Sandman. But I won't read them... I'll read the TPBs instead and not damage the book from another reading.

What's missing and what's important is that the other half is not there... there's no one hoarding any VEI books apart from Greg and Sonic!!!

These days, $4.00 is not pocket change; it's an investment. And I don't want my investments to ruin. I was lucky enough to grow up with 50 cent comics and I had a $5.00 allowance!

All I see is a dragon eating it's tail... I suggest everyone invest in unique items that are numbered from honest people who just want to see it happen! People like me!!!

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Knob Row wrote:I personally think that commissions and original art is the way to go as far as collectible. Unique pieces numbered to less than 1,000 are worth their weight in gold.

As far as reprint TPBs go- I have a nearly complete set of Sandman. But I won't read them... I'll read the TPBs instead and not damage the book from another reading.

What's missing and what's important is that the other half is not there... there's no one hoarding any VEI books apart from Greg and Sonic!!!

These days, $4.00 is not pocket change; it's an investment. And I don't want my investments to ruin. I was lucky enough to grow up with 50 cent comics and I had a $5.00 allowance!

All I see is a dragon eating it's tail... I suggest everyone invest in unique items that are numbered from honest people who just want to see it happen! People like me!!!
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I appreciate everyone's input, it's great to see the varying thoughts on the hobby.

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My basic basic thoughts on "modern" comics are ....

Everything will get old. There will , of course be collectible and valuable comics from this time period.
But tread carefully.


"Flipping" modern comics is a totally different game and there is TONS of cash in that game. Stacks

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Intrepidxc wrote:Great discussion guys. I'm enjoying seeing your thoughts.

Here is another question. Will key issues remain key issues in the future? Here are a couple books for discussion:

Batman #232 - First Ra's al Guhl
House of Secrets #92 - First Swamp Thing

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Knob Row wrote:I personally think that commissions and original art is the way to go as far as collectible. Unique pieces numbered to less than 1,000 are worth their weight in gold.

As far as reprint TPBs go- I have a nearly complete set of Sandman. But I won't read them... I'll read the TPBs instead and not damage the book from another reading.

What's missing and what's important is that the other half is not there... there's no one hoarding any VEI books apart from Greg and Sonic!!!

These days, $4.00 is not pocket change; it's an investment. And I don't want my investments to ruin. I was lucky enough to grow up with 50 cent comics and I had a $5.00 allowance!

All I see is a dragon eating it's tail... I suggest everyone invest in unique items that are numbered from honest people who just want to see it happen! People like me!!!
Not sure anything thats made in a quantity of less than 1000 is automatically worth anything, too many variables still.
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Until the announcement of the end of the series, I thought Invincible was just one, well-crafted animated series away from being the next big thing.

Like Greg pointed out, the Big Keys from this era will have to come from books that changed pop culture and, as of now, it seems TWD is the only candidate from the list. Of course, that doesn't mean that there won't other books that still hold significant value, but they will never have ASM 15 type value.

Unfortunately, most of what we buy ends up like this this abomination I saw on Craigslist today:

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possumgrease wrote:Until the announcement of the end of the series, I thought Invincible was just one, well-crafted animated series away from being the next big thing.

Like Greg pointed out, the Big Keys from this era will have to come from books that changed pop culture and, as of now, it seems TWD is the only candidate from the list. Of course, that doesn't mean that there won't other books that still hold significant value, but they will never have ASM 15 type value.

Unfortunately, most of what we buy ends up like this this abomination I saw on Craigslist today:

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lol its not pretty is it, but in the UK people treat comics altogether differently, I should take pictures of the boxes and scrunched up bags im offered week after week :)
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nycjadie wrote:I agree. I think it's a " graying" hobby, as other hobbies have been labeled. I try and make my collection as net zero as possible by selling because I figure most of it will be worthless. And hey, I enjoy it immensely and perhaps to those books Ive always wanted will be that much more attainable

I just bought GA Hit Comics 4th appearance of Kid Eternity (can't recall the number) for $40 in F. Where did I get it? At a store! I haven't seen those kind of deals in a long time.
I think that tablets are where monthly comics will move to in the end, rather than paper publishing. But I'd bet that the good ol' TPB will stick around for a good time longer.
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out of sight out of mind right? twd and other modern comics need to stay in the public interest if they will gain and or retain value.

sure TWD has made great waves but i don't see any lasting power. 50 years from now it will be easier to remember a god character in red and blue tights and a giant "S" than it will be to remember that show about zombies with the guy that was a sherif who had a kid and that one character with a hat and the girl with the gun.

it is entirely possible TWD could last the test of 50 years. That's all up to the skill of the IP owners.


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I can't help but feel that calling monthlies "floppies" has a slightly negative context to it that contributes in a small sum to the diminishing monthly sales in favor of things like Trades. Almost as if the trade crowd has a collecting arrogance about them when saying it. I remember I worked with this one guy at the college I used to work at who would talk like that as if it was the newest and coolest catch phrase... "I'm thinking about making the switch to trades (stabs finger like someone out of Office Space)..... that way I won't be buying the floppies anymore (while moving head left and right in a plane along his shoulder line as if he just said something jivey and sharp).

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