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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:21:31 am 
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How do people currently feel about the longevity of Valiant rare issues, first appearances given the current trajectory of the company and the fact that Dino is no longer in charge? Confident? Less confident than 12 months ago? Anyone care to predict what the future may hold? :? :hm:

I am 100% confident that for the rest of my life that I will collect (and pay for) the books/variants that I remember fondly from this time period.

Will this be true (for me) of books/variants released in 2021? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

But Harbinger Wars, Armor Hunters, Divinity, Imperium, and The Life and Death of Toyo Harada will NOT change in the future as they have already been written.

In fact, if Valiant died today, it might be even harder to find what I want due to limited interest, which could increase prices for specific rare/key books.

Speculators (the fly by night type) will hold zero loyalty, as they tend to do. But a few life-long collectors will.


Sure, but from an collectors/investment point of view given how you see things now, would you be less willing to pay higher prices for the books you want given the current outlook or would you hold fire in anticipation of prices dropping. I’d still pick up bargains when I see them but prices like £30/$40 for say Quantum and Woody (Acclaim) #1 I’d be reluctant to buy as my confidence level in the company’s future has gone down (for the time being at least).


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:35:31 pm 
Now I bet you're all going to want me to drag it out and show you.
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
DirtbagSailor wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
How do people currently feel about the longevity of Valiant rare issues, first appearances given the current trajectory of the company and the fact that Dino is no longer in charge? Confident? Less confident than 12 months ago? Anyone care to predict what the future may hold? :? :hm:

I am 100% confident that for the rest of my life that I will collect (and pay for) the books/variants that I remember fondly from this time period.

Will this be true (for me) of books/variants released in 2021? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

But Harbinger Wars, Armor Hunters, Divinity, Imperium, and The Life and Death of Toyo Harada will NOT change in the future as they have already been written.

In fact, if Valiant died today, it might be even harder to find what I want due to limited interest, which could increase prices for specific rare/key books.

Speculators (the fly by night type) will hold zero loyalty, as they tend to do. But a few life-long collectors will.


Sure, but from an collectors/investment point of view given how you see things now, would you be less willing to pay higher prices for the books you want given the current outlook or would you hold fire in anticipation of prices dropping. I’d still pick up bargains when I see them but prices like £30/$40 for say Quantum and Woody (Acclaim) #1 I’d be reluctant to buy as my confidence level in the company’s future has gone down (for the time being at least).

Considering how successful comic movies are now, I think if Valiant/DMG fails as a comic company, you'd find those properties sold off either to one of the big 2, or to a media company looking for some built-in content to adapt for the screen. I can't see the Valiant line dying completely.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:52:29 pm 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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kjjohanson wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
DirtbagSailor wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
How do people currently feel about the longevity of Valiant rare issues, first appearances given the current trajectory of the company and the fact that Dino is no longer in charge? Confident? Less confident than 12 months ago? Anyone care to predict what the future may hold? :? :hm:

I am 100% confident that for the rest of my life that I will collect (and pay for) the books/variants that I remember fondly from this time period.

Will this be true (for me) of books/variants released in 2021? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

But Harbinger Wars, Armor Hunters, Divinity, Imperium, and The Life and Death of Toyo Harada will NOT change in the future as they have already been written.

In fact, if Valiant died today, it might be even harder to find what I want due to limited interest, which could increase prices for specific rare/key books.

Speculators (the fly by night type) will hold zero loyalty, as they tend to do. But a few life-long collectors will.


Sure, but from an collectors/investment point of view given how you see things now, would you be less willing to pay higher prices for the books you want given the current outlook or would you hold fire in anticipation of prices dropping. I’d still pick up bargains when I see them but prices like £30/$40 for say Quantum and Woody (Acclaim) #1 I’d be reluctant to buy as my confidence level in the company’s future has gone down (for the time being at least).

Considering how successful comic movies are now, I think if Valiant/DMG fails as a comic company, you'd find those properties sold off either to one of the big 2, or to a media company looking for some built-in content to adapt for the screen. I can't see the Valiant line dying completely.

That’s a good point actually, I never thought of that. Maybe if that happened a consortium led by Dinesh could..... :hm:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:23:21 pm 
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Sure, but from an collectors/investment point of view given how you see things now, would you be less willing to pay higher prices for the books you want given the current outlook or would you hold fire in anticipation of prices dropping. I’d still pick up bargains when I see them but prices like £30/$40 for say Quantum and Woody (Acclaim) #1 I’d be reluctant to buy as my confidence level in the company’s future has gone down (for the time being at least).


I do not split hairs over $50-100 books that I am in the market for, and will not likely wait 3-4 years for a $100 book to become a $50 book. I’ll just buy a few copies to ensure the likelihood of NM+/M copies in my hands.

Now, I might hold off on books in the $1,000+ range, and watch/predict the market trends before pulling the trigger.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:58:50 pm 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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DirtbagSailor wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Sure, but from an collectors/investment point of view given how you see things now, would you be less willing to pay higher prices for the books you want given the current outlook or would you hold fire in anticipation of prices dropping. I’d still pick up bargains when I see them but prices like £30/$40 for say Quantum and Woody (Acclaim) #1 I’d be reluctant to buy as my confidence level in the company’s future has gone down (for the time being at least).


I do not split hairs over $50-100 books that I am in the market for, and will not likely wait 3-4 years for a $100 book to become a $50 book. I’ll just buy a few copies to ensure the likelihood of NM+/M copies in my hands.

Now, I might hold off on books in the $1,000+ range, and watch/predict the market trends before pulling the trigger.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:47:38 am 
Especially "dude." And "balls." Those terms work in the tech industry.
Especially "dude." And "balls." Those terms work in the tech industry.
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DirtbagSailor wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
How do people currently feel about the longevity of Valiant rare issues, first appearances given the current trajectory of the company and the fact that Dino is no longer in charge? Confident? Less confident than 12 months ago? Anyone care to predict what the future may hold? :? :hm:

I am 100% confident that for the rest of my life that I will collect (and pay for) the books/variants that I remember fondly from this time period.

Will this be true (for me) of books/variants released in 2021? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

But Harbinger Wars, Armor Hunters, Divinity, Imperium, and The Life and Death of Toyo Harada will NOT change in the future as they have already been written.

In fact, if Valiant died today, it might be even harder to find what I want due to limited interest, which could increase prices for specific rare/key books.

Speculators (the fly by night type) will hold zero loyalty, as they tend to do. But a few life-long collectors will.


I echo this. I was a Valiant collector, like most of you, when nobody thought they would publish again. I’ll be the same if and when VEI ceases to publish. It’s what I like. Other things will fill my reading void, but I like what I like, and I am fastidious about assembling the highest graded collection I can find. I also collect signed books, but keep my lower grade copies for that. Always chasing signatures when I can.

I’ve been on vacation for a rare two weeks (my longest in 15 years), with several more days back home to spare. My reading material? So far, Bloodshot V3, and Bloodshot Reborn. Hoping to make it through Salavation and the rest. The entire Bloodshot VEI run (minus The Valiant, since I’ve read that 4-5 times already).


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:15:24 pm 
Is it Dee-no or Die-no? Dunno.
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"UNK copies - X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50 Error) - NOT the 1st Appearance of COL Jamie Capshaw because it doesn't have X-O #15 inside ( :? )
NOTE: A small percentage of the confirmed 400 copy print run of X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50) are ERRORs. It is generally assumed that the ERROR copies are LESS common than the REGULAR copies. However, BOTH are rare as hell. The ERROR copies have the contents of Quantum & Woody #1 instead of X-O Manowar #15 inside the cover"
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Maybe if we don't want to recognize the X-O #15 Kotaki 1:50 Error comic as an actual Error comic of the 1st Appearance of COL Jamie Capshaw.....then we should consider reclassifying it as a Quantam and Woody #1 Error comic (with an X-O cover) which includes the first VEI appearances of Quantum and Woody. :D
....However, CGC recognizes comics by their covers since that is what is seen once encapsulated...


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:47:13 pm 
Now I bet you're all going to want me to drag it out and show you.
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Juki wrote:
"UNK copies - X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50 Error) - NOT the 1st Appearance of COL Jamie Capshaw because it doesn't have X-O #15 inside ( :? )
NOTE: A small percentage of the confirmed 400 copy print run of X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50) are ERRORs. It is generally assumed that the ERROR copies are LESS common than the REGULAR copies. However, BOTH are rare as hell. The ERROR copies have the contents of Quantum & Woody #1 instead of X-O Manowar #15 inside the cover"
.................................................................
Maybe if we don't want to recognize the X-O #15 Kotaki 1:50 Error comic as an actual Error comic of the 1st Appearance of COL Jamie Capshaw.....then we should consider reclassifying it as a Quantam and Woody #1 Error comic (with an X-O cover) which includes the first VEI appearances of Quantum and Woody. :D
....However, CGC recognizes comics by their covers since that is what is seen once encapsulated...

This one is an oddball for sure for collecting

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:18:00 pm 
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SPECIAL BOOKS (Purposely created with 1 copy each)
1 copy - Bloodshot Salvation #12 (LaRosa Vin Diesel Variant)
1 copy - Quantum And Woody (2017) #1 (Second Print)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Hitch Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Jones Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Rivera Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Foreman Golden Ticket)
1 copy - Unity #1 (Crain Golden Ticket)

Store and/or Convention Exclusives:
3-10 known copies - Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe #0 (NYCC Unreleased Edition)
    NOTE: Supposedly all copies of Ninjak vs the Valiant Universe #0 (NYCC Unreleased Edition) were destroyed. This clearly did NOT happen, as a FEW copies still exist and/or have been rarely made available on eBay.
100 copies - 2015 FCBD Valiant 25th anniversary (Edwards Ultimate Comics Un-stickered version)
    NOTE: The variant without an Ultimate Comic sticker on the front cover has 100 copies. The variant with the sticker has far more copies.
100 copies - Bloodshot: Project Rising Spirit #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - Livewire #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - Psi-Lords #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Salgado Virgin)
100 copies - Fallen World #1 (Salgado Shazam Comics & Toys Virgin)
175 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Iron Maiden Homage B&W Sketch)
    NOTE: Initially listed Limited to 100 copies; however, confirmed to have 175 copies (which is not a huge difference really)
200 copies - Fallen World #1 (OASAS B&W Sketch w/ Jae Lee ink)250 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Knowhere Exclusive Jen Bartel B&W Virgin)
250 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Salgado Harrisburg Comic & POP Con Virgin)
300 copies - Fallen World #1 (OASAS Virgin w/ Jae Lee ink & June Lee Colors)
300 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Las Vegas Variant/Pink Punk Cat Cover)
400 copies - Bloodshot: Project Rising Spirit #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - Livewire #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - Fallen World #1 (Salgado)
400 copies - Psi-Lords #1 (Salgado)
405 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Iron Maiden Homage)
    NOTE: Initially listed Limited to 300 copies; however, confirmed to have 405 copies (which is not a huge difference really)
500 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (BSI Comics)
500 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #1 (Nord Ultimate Comics)
500 copies - Bloodshot Rising Spirit #1 (Bulletproof Exclusive)
500 copies - Livewire #1 (Bulletproof Exclusive)
500 copies - Bloodshot Reborn #1 (C2E2 Woodward Variant)
500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Salgado Harrisburg Comic & POP Con)
500 copies - Harbinger Wars II #1 (Salgado Baltimore ComicCon)
500 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Adams South Carolina ComicCon Sketch)
500 copies - Fallen World #1 (OASAS w/ Jae Lee ink & June Lee Colors)
550 copies - Fallen World #1 (Nerd Store/Wasatch ComicCon)
650 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Choi Paradise / Wondercon)
750 copies - Punk Mambo (2019) #1 (Knowhere Exclusive Jen Bartel)
750 copies - The Life & Death of Toyo Harada #1 (Adams South Carolina ComicCon)
2,000 copies - X-O Manowar #1 (2017) (LaRosa Virgin Humble Bundle) - Signed by LaRosa
    NOTE: A small percentage of the 2,000 copies of X-O Manowar #1 (2017) (LaRosa Virgin Humble Bundle) were UNSIGNED; possibly 10 or less.

Error Variants and/or Issues
50-75 copies (estimated) - X-O Manowar (2012) #1 (Error Second Print w/ First Print listed)
UNK copies - X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50 Error) - NOT the 1st Appearance of COL Jamie Capshaw because it doesn't have X-O #15 inside ( :? )
    NOTE: A small percentage of the confirmed 400 copy print run of X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50) are ERRORs. It is generally assumed that the ERROR copies are LESS common than the REGULAR copies. However, BOTH are rare as hell. The ERROR copies have the contents of Quantum & Woody #1 instead of X-O Manowar #15 inside the cover

Normal Variants and/or Issues
200 copies - Bloodshot Salvation #1 (Suayan Brushed Metal 1:250)
250 copies - Harbinger #25 (Kitson 1:50)
275 copies - Rapture #4 (Suayan 1:50)
275 copies - Savage #4 (LaRosa 1:50)
300 copies - Savage #1 (LaRosa 1:50) - 1st Appearance of Savage
325 copies - Imperium #11 (Walsh 1:20)
330 copies - Imperium #3 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of LV-99 (Lord Vine)
350 copies - Divinity #1 (LaRosa 1:40) - 1st Appearance of Abram Adams (Divinity)
350 copies - Savage #2 (LaRosa 1:50)
350 copies - Imperium #1 (Braithwaite 1:40) - 1st Appearance of Sunlight on Snow (Mech Major)
350 copies - Imperium #2 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Angela Peace Baingana; Gravedog
350 copies - Imperium #12 (Palo 1:20)
350 copies - Imperium #13 (Ryp 1:20)
350 copies - Imperium #14 (Ryp 1:20)
350 copies - Imperium #15 (Doyle 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #5 (Grace 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #6 (Kano 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #7 (Tan 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #10 (De La Torre 1:20)
400 copies - Imperium #16 (Montoya 1:20)
400 copies - Shadowman #13 (Davis 1:50) - 1st Appearance of Punk Mambo
400 copies - Eternal Warrior #5 (Mack 1:50) - 1st (Modern) Appearance of the world of 4001 A.D.
400 copies - X-O Manowar #15 (Kotaki 1:50) - 1st Appearance of COL Jamie Capshaw
400 copies - Wrath of Eternal Warrior #4 (Lafuente 1:50)
425 copies - Imperium #4 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Interdimensional Angela vessel
425 copies - Imperium #9 (Ryp 1:20)
450 copies - Imperium #8 (Henry 1:20)
450 copies - Savage #3 (LaRosa 1:50)
450 copies - Britannia #3 (Johnson 1:50)
500 copies - Harbinger Wars #3 (Zircher 1:50) - 1st (Modern) Appearance of H.A.R.D. Corps
525 copies - 4001 A.D. #4 (Sook 1:100)
600 copies - Imperium #1 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Sunlight on Snow (Mech Major)
600 copies - Britannia #2 (Johnson 1:50)
675 copies - A&A: Adventures of Archer & Armstrong #5 (Lafuente 1:50)
800 copies - Harbinger Wars #1 (Zircher 1:50) - 1st Appearance of Generation Zero (RIP :cry: )
2,000 copies - Harbinger #2 (Braithwaite 1:20) - 1st Appearance of Darpan
2,800 copies - Ninjak 2015 #1 (Sauvage cover D) - - 1st Appearance of Roku; 1 of 3 Covers released featuring the 1st appearance of Roku on the cover.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:18:44 pm 
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500 copies - Bloodshot (2019) #1 (Salgado Harrisburg Comic & POP Con)

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