What Valiant comic was the biggest flop?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:01:33 pm

jedimarley wrote:
myron wrote:From Vh-1? Punx...hands down...smelly, smelly garbage that one...
Yep. That's a "WTF" momentfor Valiant.

The best part of that was the advert for Bernard's Bodacious Babes.

hulk181man · Post by **hulk181man** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:30:47 pm

I thought Turok and Geomancer had good moments and potential...but Psi-lords was always bland to me.

D-mate would've been the obvious choice but that's too easy....

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:33:10 pm

myron wrote:From Vh-1? Punx...hands down...smelly, smelly garbage that one...

The question though is what series was the biggest flop, not the worst. Biggest flop denotes that the series had big expectations, which Turok did. No other Valiant comic had as big expectations and flopped the worst than Turok. Yes, there were worst series and some completely garbage comics. But Turok was supposed to be a great series in the Solar, Magnus and Harbinger mold. It wasn't. Add to that the high total of print run and it was easily the biggest "flop".

MarrowMan · Post by **MarrowMan** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:01:34 pm

Turok was no where near as well written as Solar or Magnus, probably because Jim was gone by then, no? But if it was a "flop" wouldn't it have cancelled by the 8th issue? /me shrugs

Ross2 · Post by **Ross2** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:36:39 pm

MarrowMan wrote:Turok was no where near as well written as Solar or Magnus, probably because Jim was gone by then, no? But if it was a "flop" wouldn't it have cancelled by the 8th issue? /me shrugs

Turok #1 had 1.75 million copies printed. In contrast, Deathmate was only about 600,000+ and Bloodshot #1, which was published 4 months earlier, had a print run of 800,000. Dr Mirage, published a few months later than Turok #1, printed 450,000 copies.

Another good candidate for flop was probably Secret Weapons #1, print 2 months after Turok #1 with 650,000 copies.

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Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:12:44 pm

Ross2 wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Turok was no where near as well written as Solar or Magnus, probably because Jim was gone by then, no? But if it was a "flop" wouldn't it have cancelled by the 8th issue? /me shrugs
Turok #1 had 1.75 million copies printed.

Not to get off topic, but could you imagine a comic with a print run of that these days?

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:50:44 pm

Here are a few candidates for "biggest flop"...
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On the other hand, "biggest flop" could be a book that was supposed be successful with a huge print run, but the orders didn't come in.
Something like Geomancer #1, perhaps? Or the Secret Weapons #11 in the envelope?

PunX is a good choice, too, but I don't know if they thought it would sell.

Brother Darque · Post by **Brother Darque** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:37:18 am

did Valient get Overconfident at that point?

MarrowMan · Post by **MarrowMan** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:09:24 am

What about "Destroyer" The Solar Alter Ego? I don't recall if that lasted that long either

BruceReville · Post by **BruceReville** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:12:43 am

MarrowMan wrote:What about "Destroyer" The Solar Alter Ego? I don't recall if that lasted that long either

It was intended as a One Shot and still much better than Outcast or Punx.

MarrowMan · Post by **MarrowMan** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:27:26 am

Yeah true k nevermind lol

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:48:10 am

I didnt mind Destroyer,to me at least it wasnt that much of a flop.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:06:32 pm

MarrowMan wrote:What about "Destroyer" The Solar Alter Ego? I don't recall if that lasted that long either

If you have it, definitely read the one-shot. I quite enjoyed the story.

OmenSpirits.com · Post by **OmenSpirits.com** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:09:31 pm

I'll take the bullet.

Harbinger even before #25 was..Meh.

I liked turok (Yeah I'm biased!

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Hate to admit it, but secret weapons I'd say was a flop.

MarrowMan · Post by **MarrowMan** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:17:43 pm

Harbinger wasn't Meh you loony-toon

, It was awesome.

dbngaa · Post by **dbngaa** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:33:20 am

Defining a books flop-iness may depend on who's perspective you are taking - readers or Valiant. Printing 1.75 million copies of Turok #1 seems to say that Valiant was expecting big things, but it certainly did not maintain that level so maybe a flop to them. My expectations were higher for Secret Weapons in that I thought Valiant was finally getting their Avengers title going and it would be great. But I was let down and dropped it after 3 or 4 issues. So that was a flop to me. I know it's the easy one to pick, but Deathmate still probably wins this. Valiant and Image expected a lot, the fans expected a lot, and it failed both groups miserably.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:26:28 pm

dbngaa wrote:Defining a books flop-iness may depend on who's perspective you are taking - readers or Valiant. Printing 1.75 million copies of Turok #1 seems to say that Valiant was expecting big things, but it certainly did not maintain that level so maybe a flop to them. My expectations were higher for Secret Weapons in that I thought Valiant was finally getting their Avengers title going and it would be great. But I was let down and dropped it after 3 or 4 issues. So that was a flop to me. I know it's the easy one to pick, but Deathmate still probably wins this. Valiant and Image expected a lot, the fans expected a lot, and it failed both groups miserably.

You might be on to something. I still rank Turok #1 up there, because up until that point I thought Valiant could do no wrong. That's where I consider the slide to have started. Deathmate, I have to admit, was the biggest disappointment to me as far as hype went. At the time, I LOVED Valiant and I LOVED Image, so the two of them working together had to be awesome! Not to mention the fact this was Valiant's next big crossover and Unity was so awesome that this had to be as good or better. So, yeah, as a fan I was pretty let down.

OmenSpirits.com · Post by **OmenSpirits.com** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:45:01 pm

MarrowMan wrote:Harbinger wasn't Meh you loony-toon , It was awesome.

Harbinger was Valiants version Xmen & New Mutants meshed, and not in a good way.

Rose colored glasses do not a great series make.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:38:10 pm

OmenSpirits.com wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Harbinger wasn't Meh you loony-toon , It was awesome.
Harbinger was Valiants version Xmen & New Mutants meshed, and not in a good way.

Rose colored glasses do not a great series make.

You, sir, are

.

Harbinger 1-25 =

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:39:25 pm

OmenSpirits.com wrote:
Harbinger was Valiants version Xmen & New Mutants meshed, and not in a good way.

Rose colored glasses do not a great series make.

After issue #25, I would agree with that assessment, but the series was pretty awesome for the first dozen or so issues and still pretty good until the Harada/Sting confrontation. The book really went South after that...

OmenSpirits.com · Post by **OmenSpirits.com** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:08:31 pm

etos45 wrote:
OmenSpirits.com wrote:
MarrowMan wrote:Harbinger wasn't Meh you loony-toon , It was awesome.
Harbinger was Valiants version Xmen & New Mutants meshed, and not in a good way.

Rose colored glasses do not a great series make.
You, sir, are .

Harbinger 1-25 =

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:52:04 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
OmenSpirits.com wrote:
Harbinger was Valiants version Xmen & New Mutants meshed, and not in a good way.

Rose colored glasses do not a great series make.
After issue #25, I would agree with that assessment, but the series was pretty awesome for the first dozen or so issues and still pretty good until the Harada/Sting confrontation. The book really went South after that...

That's when the book went downhill for me.

Ross2 · Post by **Ross2** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:40:15 pm

Although we are sliding off-topic, I do agree that after Sting and Harada fought, it kinda burned out the book.

I wonder if Shooter had left some story bible info that led up to that and no more, so Valiant didn't know what to do with Harbinger after the Pete/Toyo battle.

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:03:12 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
myron wrote:From Vh-1? Punx...hands down...smelly, smelly garbage that one...
Yep. That's a "WTF" momentfor Valiant.
The best part of that was the advert for Bernard's Bodacious Babes.

Who has the OA for this? sonicdan, magnusr, BTE?

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:23:20 pm

VH1 - I'd go with Archer & Armstrong post-BWS. Mistake from the first page.

Acclaim? Toss up between the post-Ennis Shadowman or Trinity Angels.

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