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https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dinesh- ... k-valiant/
It appears the Non Disclosure Agreements are strong with Valiant Entertainment. Yesterday, Bleeding Cool reported on major issues concerning Valiant Comics, with multiple reports of layoffs and resignations at the publisher, and was unable to find anyone still working at there aside from freelance creators. Some employees posted that their employment status at Valiant as "Former", such as Lysa Hawkins and Cody White, but no one is willing to go further than that. We may have been too hasty with sending Valiant publisher Fred Pierce, the longest-standing Valiant employee of all, to the cornfield, purely based on his profile that states "worked at Valiant". While he too has not replied to Bleeding Cool enquiries, I am led to understand that he remains with the comic book publisher. So, that's one, then. Valiant is not over but it's going through a major transition. There are key people still in place and a plan to move forward. We just don't know who they are or what they are doing.

Former CEO Dinesh Shamdasani, who was forced out by the current owners was asked on Twitter, in response to this news, if he wanted to buy a comic book company on the cheap. Shamdasani replied "Been on it all week."

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Now that would be something!

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That would be awesome
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It would be a BAD IDEA!

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lobo wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:26:21 pm
It would be a BAD IDEA!
Better idea than Nicky B.

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Here's a screenshot of said tweet, couldn't fit the whole thread. There's not much.

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THEWGZK wrote:Here's a screenshot of said tweet, couldn't fit the whole thread. There's not much.
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That would be immense!! :high-five:

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If Dinesh does but back Valiant will it be at a lower price than he sold his shares for?

Also, he’s been oddly quiet so I think he’s working on this in the background.

What do you all think?

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:50:32 am
If Dinesh does but back Valiant will it be at a lower price than he sold his shares for?

Also, he’s been oddly quiet so I think he’s working on this in the background.

What do you all think?
I think it is time to let Valiant rest for a while. Recover from the damage of the last few years.

The price for the IPs would go down since Dino sold because the value of the IP has declined.

Most of all, keep the IPs out of the hands of Nicky B. This is exactly the kind of bargain bin property that kind of bottom feeder likes to exploit. It is last call, Valiant is the girl at the bar bawling into her vodka and cranberry and Nicky B is the guy with greasy hair, a leather jacket and a bottle of artisinal ghb ready to take her home for a night she will never remember.

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Chiclo wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:00:13 am
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:50:32 am
If Dinesh does but back Valiant will it be at a lower price than he sold his shares for?

Also, he’s been oddly quiet so I think he’s working on this in the background.

What do you all think?
I think it is time to let Valiant rest for a while. Recover from the damage of the last few years.

The price for the IPs would go down since Dino sold because the value of the IP has declined.

Most of all, keep the IPs out of the hands of Nicky B. This is exactly the kind of bargain bin property that kind of bottom feeder likes to exploit. It is last call, Valiant is the girl at the bar bawling into her vodka and cranberry and Nicky B is the guy with greasy hair, a leather jacket and a bottle of artisinal ghb ready to take her home for a night she will never remember.
:lol: Oddly specific analogy Chiclo!

I think it’s still salvageable from the damage done by DMG. I’d rather keep the current 2012 onwards continuity (obviously correct the recent garbage) then I think former readers will come back. Dino is the best hype man in comics so I think he’ll bring the VDittis, Dysart’s etc back.

Do we really want a reboot from scratch?

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if BCB can rescue ips from CCP control, that would be a redemption for him.. he already burned the bridge with jim, so hes not coming back..
BUT START FROM SCRATCH!! KEEP PREUNITY CHARACTERIZATIONS THE SAME BUT ULTIMATE STYLE UPDATING, DONT FLIP GENDERS, FLIP NAMES, MAKE EVERYTHING OPPOSITE.. EVEN ULTIMATE STYLE UNITY CROSSOVER.. everyone seems to forget vei was in the toliet on many ways before CCP buyout..

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:50:32 am
Also, [dino]’s been oddly quiet so I think he’s working on this in the background.

What do you all think?
This *SQUEE* is giving me anxiety. I've been checking this site, r/Valiant, the Discord groups, and Dino's Twitter like five times per day since the initial news dropped last week. At this point, I just want to know what's going on. Is it even worth having hope or not?
Chiclo wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:00:13 am
I think it is time to let Valiant rest for a while. Recover from the damage of the last few years.
What damage? They could easily continue right where they left off, and probably even incorporate the DMG stories without a problem. I, for one, wouldn't want Bunn's Shadowman/Punk Mambo, or Abnett's Rai, to go to waste. Those were some great stories that added to the overall Valiant mythos in positive ways.
Most of all, keep the IPs out of the hands of Nicky B. This is exactly the kind of bargain bin property that kind of bottom feeder likes to exploit. It is last call, Valiant is the girl at the bar bawling into her vodka and cranberry and Nicky B is the guy with greasy hair, a leather jacket and a bottle of artisinal ghb ready to take her home for a night she will never remember.
Who the hell is Nicky B?
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:05:05 am
Do we really want a reboot from scratch?
Hell no. However, I would very much welcome a Crisis-esque event that brought the Gold Key characters into Valiant.
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:15:49 am
everyone seems to forget vei was in the toliet on many ways before CCP buyout..
I'm sorry, what? :roll: 2017-2018 Valiant put out some absolute bangers like Secret Weapons, Ninja-K, Kindt's X-O, Diggle's Shadowman, Brittania 2 & 3. It was definitely weaker than 2012-2015, but "in the toilet"? Come the f*ck on.

Also, who's BCB?

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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:50:32 am
If Dinesh does but back Valiant will it be at a lower price than he sold his shares for?

Also, he’s been oddly quiet so I think he’s working on this in the background.

What do you all think?
I think while the valuation of Valiant has dropped since Dinesh was forced out, I would be surprised if he is able to buy it back. Didn’t DMG make a nine figure investment when they bought part of the company? So is it safe to safe Valiant is worth somewhere in the $100Mil range?

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birthday cake boy

Also, the sales figures were terrible and constantly descending which with each new title, new book, the story lines would Meander and drift into nothingness and there were hardcore vei fans that were just not on board with the books at that point, I personally never liked them after the first year, some of the books flat out sucked from day one, and among other personal issues. So this is bcb's chance to write the wrong that he perpetuated, and then turned over to the CCP

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valiantdude wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:03:48 pm
birthday cake boy

Also, the sales figures were terrible and constantly descending which with each new title, new book, the story lines would Meander and drift into nothingness and there were hardcore vei fans that were just not on board with the books at that point, I personally never liked them after the first year, some of the books flat out sucked from day one, and among other personal issues. So this is bcb's chance to write the wrong that he perpetuated, and then turned over to the CCP
Nah this is crazy talk. The best of VEI was superior to pre-unity albeit you have to recognise that VEI built upon the creativity of Shooter, BWS etc. VH1 was a very short period and of it’s time.

Dysart’s Harbinger culminating in LADOTH is as good as comics get. Vditti’s XO took the character to new heights as did Kindt on Rai and Ninjak and Lemire on Bloodshot.

Yes there were duds such A&A, Shadowman but the hit rate was high.

As the Ferg said Abnett’s Rai has that character in a good place continuity wise and Shadowman too (I haven’t read Bunn’s version). The other characters are easily fixable by decent writers.

The timing of Dinesh being forced out was criminal, I’m certain he’d have brought in new readers on the back of the Bloodshot movie (I know it wasn’t the best film ever but it was respectable and certainly better than many Marvel/DC efforts with higher budgets.

If Valiant is worth a £100 mil then I reckon with Dinesh’s patter he can get new investors to raise that kind of money.

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People really forget that Pre-Unity only lasted like a year. VEI eclipsed VH1 around the time of Valiant Next, when they proved that they could still be great after a soft reboot.

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valiantdude wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:03:48 pm
Also, the sales figures were terrible and constantly descending which with each new title
First of all, were sales figures really that bad? I'm pretty sure Kindt's X-O performed great, and Ninja-K did about as well as Ninjak. Diggle's Shadowman outperformed the previous Shadowman series by quite a bit. Secret Weapons was a (relative) hit. I could be talking out of my *SQUEE* though. I believe the sales were generally lower simply because they were publishing less content.
the story lines would Meander and drift into nothingness
Please provide evidence. Even the series that were cut short by DMG had satisfying conclusions.
I personally never liked them after the first year,
Seriously? Imperium? The Valiant? Armor Hunters? Bloodshot Reborn? Life and Death of Toyo Harada? Rai and 4001 A.D.? Valiant released some of their best stories after 2012-13.
some of the books flat out sucked from day one, and among other personal issues. So this is bcb's chance to write the wrong that he perpetuated, and then turned over to the CCP
Which ones "flat out sucked" exactly? I can name a few... Roberts' A+A and Dead Drop come to mind, but not much else.

Also, who is BCB?

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VD is talking about Dinesh. He hates Dinesh and tries to put him down every chance he gets.
I’m sure the comic book company that VD starts will be waay better than VEI. I can’t wait for those books to drop so I can start counterfeiting them.

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"VD"

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TheFerg714 wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:50:34 am
Chiclo wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:00:13 am
Most of all, keep the IPs out of the hands of Nicky B. This is exactly the kind of bargain bin property that kind of bottom feeder likes to exploit. It is last call, Valiant is the girl at the bar bawling into her vodka and cranberry and Nicky B is the guy with greasy hair, a leather jacket and a bottle of artisinal ghb ready to take her home for a night she will never remember.
Who the hell is Nicky B?
Nick Barucci, owner of Dynamite comics (which still sucks) and self-styled VIP.

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VDude, it's pointless to argue against VEI since the people who are still posting here are here BECAUSE they like VEI. Anybody who wasn't as crazy about it probably stopped posting and lost interest in Valiant long ago.

It basically comes down to personal preference, VEI had a specific style of story and art. If you liked that, then you like VEI. The bigger question is how do they (or whoever does Valiant next) build more reader interest. For all the hype which led to good initial sales, how do they get sales to actually go up during a book's run?

Initial hype is good and can be generated a lot of ways, but they need the reader-generated hype that comes organically from people really enjoying a run and word spreading around.

VH1 did that. There was initial hype with the old Gold Key characters coming back and a new comic line launching but when that faded the sales dipped down like they always do. The difference with VH1 is that month after month lots of people were enjoying the books and word slowly spread around that there was something special going on, which led to all sales climbing and the explosion of interest when Unity launched.

Is that repeatable? Who knows. But the only way for Valiant to become a thing again is if someone can find that magic :?


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