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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:31:59 pm 
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70 Fallen World 1 $3.99 Valiant 27,355...Top 100 #1 :clap:

234 Punk Mambo 2 $3.99 Valiant 7,270...(-11K)

275 Bloodshot Rising Spirit 7 $3.99 Valiant 5,419

285 Life & Death of Toyo Harada 3 $4.99 Valiant 5,109...(-574) Leveling Out?! :?

286 Incursion 4 $3.99 Valiant 4,969

291 Forgotten Queen 4 $3.99 Valiant 4,642

292 Livewire 6 $3.99 Valiant 4,640...(-119) Leveling Out?! :?

418 Ninja-K Dollar Debut $1.00 Valiant 1,981

441 Britannia Dollar Debut $1.00 Valiant 1,698

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:09:09 pm 
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Good on Fallen World. The rest of those numbers are pretty pathetic. But that’s non-big 3, non-licensed property publishing these days.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:31:37 pm 
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I wonder whether the Dollar Debuts will be tough for a gotta-have-them-all collector later on. I realized after the fact that I should have pre-ordered a stack of the Ninja-K and X-O (2017) dollar debuts, as I could have gotten them at a steep discount, and they would be good books to try to recruit new Valiant fans. (I don't think the various giveaways have enough content for someone to get a sense of the books, but a full issue of Giorello art is bound to sell some people on it.)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:27:07 pm 
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I wonder whether the Dollar Debuts will be tough for a gotta-have-them-all collector later on. I realized after the fact that I should have pre-ordered a stack of the Ninja-K and X-O (2017) dollar debuts, as I could have gotten them at a steep discount, and they would be good books to try to recruit new Valiant fans. (I don't think the various giveaways have enough content for someone to get a sense of the books, but a full issue of Giorello art is bound to sell some people on it.)


For keys, I think yes. Divinity 1 is technically a first appearance “2nd Print”, but with an even smaller print run. For books that are not desirable, Like Wrath 1 (which I just don’t get), then maybe not.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:41:48 pm 
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I wonder whether the Dollar Debuts will be tough for a gotta-have-them-all collector later on. I realized after the fact that I should have pre-ordered a stack of the Ninja-K and X-O (2017) dollar debuts, as I could have gotten them at a steep discount, and they would be good books to try to recruit new Valiant fans. (I don't think the various giveaways have enough content for someone to get a sense of the books, but a full issue of Giorello art is bound to sell some people on it.)


For keys, I think yes. Divinity 1 is technically a first appearance “2nd Print”, but with an even smaller print run. For books that are not desirable, Like Wrath 1 (which I just don’t get), then maybe not.

Wouldn't that be more like a 5th or 6th print? Divinity #1 went through many printings. WOTEW has the first appearance of some characters, but not as important as Divinity of course. Even so, I don't see reprints of a first appearance being the driving factor, but the scarcity.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:02:29 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:24:42 am 
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Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

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Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

+1 Happy to see Valiant is still making comics and i'm reading them :) .I like all the titles except for Bloodshot.At least they are making more than 5 titles a month and they were 5th in all publishers in April.I guess DMG is doing better than they were back when the stocks were going down. :clap:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:57:27 am 
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Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

Id be getting titles if they didnt end the ones I was getting. :?
Ladoth Im obviously getting. Bloodshot RS I dropped that crap. And Im not going to invest in characters I dont like. And DMG is pushing a bunch I dont like.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:33:15 am 
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I wonder whether the Dollar Debuts will be tough for a gotta-have-them-all collector later on. I realized after the fact that I should have pre-ordered a stack of the Ninja-K and X-O (2017) dollar debuts, as I could have gotten them at a steep discount, and they would be good books to try to recruit new Valiant fans. (I don't think the various giveaways have enough content for someone to get a sense of the books, but a full issue of Giorello art is bound to sell some people on it.)


Dollar Debuts can be ordered at any time. A couple of years ago, I handed out dollar debuts for Halloween, ordered 10 of BS (2012), A&A, Harbinger, and Ninjak (I think). I worked with my LCS, and they found a pack that had a small handful of each. Test this theory out, I believe it's solid.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:33:05 pm 
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kjjohanson wrote:
I wonder whether the Dollar Debuts will be tough for a gotta-have-them-all collector later on. I realized after the fact that I should have pre-ordered a stack of the Ninja-K and X-O (2017) dollar debuts, as I could have gotten them at a steep discount, and they would be good books to try to recruit new Valiant fans. (I don't think the various giveaways have enough content for someone to get a sense of the books, but a full issue of Giorello art is bound to sell some people on it.)


Dollar Debuts can be ordered at any time. A couple of years ago, I handed out dollar debuts for Halloween, ordered 10 of BS (2012), A&A, Harbinger, and Ninjak (I think). I worked with my LCS, and they found a pack that had a small handful of each. Test this theory out, I believe it's solid.

I was thinking more of when they're offered through DCBS and I could get a big discount.

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Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

Negativity is important, especially within a tiny community like ours. More importantly though, why are you so adamant that these numbers are a positive thing? Below 10k is generally not a good thing, although it is to be expected with smaller publishers. On top of that, LaDoTH is performing like crap, and this was supposed to be the book that was for us, the "real" Valiant fans. If we can't sway the numbers to reach any higher than 5k, I just don't get how Valiant could come back to the times of ~10k for every issue. Livewire has 6 more issues left, and is already under 5k, BRS is somehow beating out all of the good books, and I was really hoping that Punk Mambo would find a fanbase, but I guess that's not going to happen.

I'm not trying to be a Negative Nancy, but I think it would be silly to bury your head in the sand and just assume that everything's fine with Valiant. Yea, nonplayer is the very definition of a Negative Nancy, but I don't really think he's doing anything wrong.

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Ladoth Im obviously getting. Bloodshot RS I dropped that crap. And Im not going to invest in characters I dont like. And DMG is pushing a bunch I dont like.

You really don't care at all about the Eternal Warrior, Tama, Livewire, Punk Mambo, or Rai?


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TheeBaldMoose wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
I wonder whether the Dollar Debuts will be tough for a gotta-have-them-all collector later on. I realized after the fact that I should have pre-ordered a stack of the Ninja-K and X-O (2017) dollar debuts, as I could have gotten them at a steep discount, and they would be good books to try to recruit new Valiant fans. (I don't think the various giveaways have enough content for someone to get a sense of the books, but a full issue of Giorello art is bound to sell some people on it.)


Dollar Debuts can be ordered at any time. A couple of years ago, I handed out dollar debuts for Halloween, ordered 10 of BS (2012), A&A, Harbinger, and Ninjak (I think). I worked with my LCS, and they found a pack that had a small handful of each. Test this theory out, I believe it's solid.

I was thinking more of when they're offered through DCBS and I could get a big discount.


I don't know. I still got a decent discount with the package I purchased. It certainly wasn't $1 ea.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:35:16 pm 
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kjjohanson wrote:
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kjjohanson wrote:
I wonder whether the Dollar Debuts will be tough for a gotta-have-them-all collector later on. I realized after the fact that I should have pre-ordered a stack of the Ninja-K and X-O (2017) dollar debuts, as I could have gotten them at a steep discount, and they would be good books to try to recruit new Valiant fans. (I don't think the various giveaways have enough content for someone to get a sense of the books, but a full issue of Giorello art is bound to sell some people on it.)


Dollar Debuts can be ordered at any time. A couple of years ago, I handed out dollar debuts for Halloween, ordered 10 of BS (2012), A&A, Harbinger, and Ninjak (I think). I worked with my LCS, and they found a pack that had a small handful of each. Test this theory out, I believe it's solid.

I was thinking more of when they're offered through DCBS and I could get a big discount.


I don't know. I still got a decent discount with the package I purchased. It certainly wasn't $1 ea.

Good to know. I'll look into it when I get a chance.

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Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

Id be getting titles if they didnt end the ones I was getting. :?
Ladoth Im obviously getting. Bloodshot RS I dropped that crap. And Im not going to invest in characters I dont like. And DMG is pushing a bunch I dont like.


Let’s think about these numbers and what Valiant’s current business model is?

Somehow Bloodshot Rising Spirit pulls in more numbers than LADOTH, is this simply brand recognition? If the titles were ‘Rising Spirit’ and ‘Harbinger:LADOTH’ then would the numbers look the same still?

Secondly, using unknown writers with no track record of decent sales on B and C list characters, what’s the best that can happen? What’s the aim :? Are they in the profit making business or the business of promoting left wing writers? Chief editor Robert Myers was supporting Aubrey Sitterson’s in his tweets yesterday, Sitterson who was taken off GI Joe after some left wing extreme shenanigans. I mean what is this? Some big left wing clique, should we expect him on a Valiant book in the near future? Myers promotes Dark Horse books more than he does Valiant, he seems to be like that last dude who he replaced (who was always promoting other companies books and had zero interest in Valiant).

Is it any surprise the sales are poor when the people in charge are making such bizarre decisions?

How about getting the best writer and artist we can afford and put them on an A list book (XO, Harbinger, Bloodshot)... let’s try that for a change!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:53:17 pm 
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Would the names Tim Seeley and Brett Booth on Bloodshot be satisfactory for recognizable names on a flagship title?

Is it the naming on the Harada series or the talent involved? I am not sure that having Harbinger in the title would significantly increase sales.

The writers on the less marquee Valiant titles were not unknown to me, and I appreciated their work elsewhere nearly as much as I like them with Valiant. And I agreed with many here that Valiant should not be afraid to expand their title characters, so I’m glad that they have chosen to do that this year.

I’m sorry that I don’t follow Mr Meyers’ tweets so I am not as knowledgeable about his personal views. But I do read the books and I do approve of the direction they are taking, so for me being a Valiant fan has been really fun lately.


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Would the names Tim Seeley and Brett Booth on Bloodshot be satisfactory for recognizable names on a flagship title?

Is it the naming on the Harada series or the talent involved? I am not sure that having Harbinger in the title would significantly increase sales.

The writers on the less marquee Valiant titles were not unknown to me, and I appreciated their work elsewhere nearly as much as I like them with Valiant. And I agreed with many here that Valiant should not be afraid to expand their title characters, so I’m glad that they have chosen to do that this year.

I’m sorry that I don’t follow Mr Meyers’ tweets so I am not as knowledgeable about his personal views. But I do read the books and I do approve of the direction they are taking, so for me being a Valiant fan has been really fun lately.

2 things I’d say, firstly Marvel and DC never fail to use name recognition eg Spider-man, Spider-Gwen (or is it Gwen-Pool?!) , Spider-verse and so on...so why doesn’t Valiant?

Secondly, the direction Valiant is taking may be fun for the minority but from a business stand point does it make sense? The numbers suggest not.


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Okay, maybe you’re onto something here. Shadowman: Punk Mambo, or Shadowman: Doctor Mirage, or “from the pages of—“

Are these the business decisions that are not being taken? Or perhaps a different editorial team that might be appreciated beyond the minority you mentioned in your post?

I think you have good ideas, but I am also attempting to find what some folks might refer to as—a point.


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Okay, maybe you’re onto something here. Shadowman: Punk Mambo, or Shadowman: Doctor Mirage, or “from the pages of—“

Are these the business decisions that are not being taken? Or perhaps a different editorial team that might be appreciated beyond the minority you mentioned in your post?

I am just attempting to find what some folks might refer to as—a point.

Actually I mentioned this to Gregg Katzman on Twitter and he said they had already discussed that but decided to not use brand recognition in case new readers thought they needed to do lots of back reading. However, look at the Marvel/DC model and look at our numbers :?

Not sure Punk Mambo or Dr Mirage are worth solo series to be honest, Shadowman is a hard enough sell. But again, is it a profit business or something else?


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I certainly do not share your views on Mambo & Mirage.

I also have zero insight into the finances of Valiant Entertainment. Some people here have discerned that the sales per title metric of Valiant is #3, behind Marvel and DC, so even though print sales are diminishing across the board, that must remain a good sign. I also have no clue about digital sales and whether that trend is upward, especially with a growing back catalogue, and how that might help the finances.

But the reason I remain a Valiant fan is solely because for me Valiant remains entertaining and continues to tell good stories, many of them about the characters I have loved since the 90s.

I really couldn’t care less about an editor’s tweet, though I’m glad he has a public persona where he can share his opinions. It’s his right. This simply does not affect my view of his creative decisions.

I also don’t really care about maximizing profits, as you mentioned. Lots of examples out there about how much that can suck when that becomes the focus. It is enough for me that Valiant continues to tell quality stories, as I mentioned.

I’m really sorry that it is not that way for you. That must be quite disappointing. But perhaps you’re looking in the wrong places by mentioning peripheral facts about economics, politics, notoriety, social media outlets, etc. about the creative people involved?

I could easily be wrong of course. Wouldn’t be the first time! Feel free to point out any logical inconsistencies or contradictions in my thinking if you see any, I truly don’t mind.


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Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

Id be getting titles if they didnt end the ones I was getting. :?
Ladoth Im obviously getting. Bloodshot RS I dropped that crap. And Im not going to invest in characters I dont like. And DMG is pushing a bunch I dont like.


Let’s think about these numbers and what Valiant’s current business model is?

Somehow Bloodshot Rising Spirit pulls in more numbers than LADOTH, is this simply brand recognition? If the titles were ‘Rising Spirit’ and ‘Harbinger:LADOTH’ then would the numbers look the same still?

Secondly, using unknown writers with no track record of decent sales on B and C list characters, what’s the best that can happen? What’s the aim :? Are they in the profit making business or the business of promoting left wing writers? Chief editor Robert Myers was supporting Aubrey Sitterson’s in his tweets yesterday, Sitterson who was taken off GI Joe after some left wing extreme shenanigans. I mean what is this? Some big left wing clique, should we expect him on a Valiant book in the near future? Myers promotes Dark Horse books more than he does Valiant, he seems to be like that last dude who he replaced (who was always promoting other companies books and had zero interest in Valiant).

Is it any surprise the sales are poor when the people in charge are making such bizarre decisions?

How about getting the best writer and artist we can afford and put them on an A list book (XO, Harbinger, Bloodshot)... let’s try that for a change!

This is what you're missing: You can have a recognized Valiant property that does not currently have a monthly book. You can have recognized quality talent whose rates you can afford. That *doesn't* mean that the talent is going to have an interesting pitch for what to do with that property. Even under the old guard, the driving philosophy was "best idea wins." If a professional in the field has a good idea for something innovative that they're passionate about, I think that's going to win out over a recognized name that you attach to a title because you think that that title should be published. Every long-time Marvel and DC title has runs of the book that is lackluster, because they were published in a time where the companies thought they had to continue publishing the book every month just to keep the book alive.

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Okay, maybe you’re onto something here. Shadowman: Punk Mambo, or Shadowman: Doctor Mirage, or “from the pages of—“

No, I think those are bad examples. Dr. Mirage and Punk Mambo are brands unto themselves, but they easily could have rebranded some of their more recent series. Eternal Warrior: Incursion, Harbinger: LaDoTH, Rai: Fallen World (or 4002 A.D., or 4002 A.D.: Fallen World). Seems like a simple fix. You still get the flashy new #1, while still building up the brand name. Valiant needs to make it so the average comic fan can easily see and recognize their comics, just by scrolling through the new comic section. As it is now, most casual comic readers see Fallen World and think, "hey, is that that one Japanese superhero?", while they should be thinking, "hey, I know Rai."


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:59:00 am 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
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Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

Id be getting titles if they didnt end the ones I was getting. :?
Ladoth Im obviously getting. Bloodshot RS I dropped that crap. And Im not going to invest in characters I dont like. And DMG is pushing a bunch I dont like.


Let’s think about these numbers and what Valiant’s current business model is?

Somehow Bloodshot Rising Spirit pulls in more numbers than LADOTH, is this simply brand recognition? If the titles were ‘Rising Spirit’ and ‘Harbinger:LADOTH’ then would the numbers look the same still?

Secondly, using unknown writers with no track record of decent sales on B and C list characters, what’s the best that can happen? What’s the aim :? Are they in the profit making business or the business of promoting left wing writers? Chief editor Robert Myers was supporting Aubrey Sitterson’s in his tweets yesterday, Sitterson who was taken off GI Joe after some left wing extreme shenanigans. I mean what is this? Some big left wing clique, should we expect him on a Valiant book in the near future? Myers promotes Dark Horse books more than he does Valiant, he seems to be like that last dude who he replaced (who was always promoting other companies books and had zero interest in Valiant).

Is it any surprise the sales are poor when the people in charge are making such bizarre decisions?

How about getting the best writer and artist we can afford and put them on an A list book (XO, Harbinger, Bloodshot)... let’s try that for a change!

This is what you're missing: You can have a recognized Valiant property that does not currently have a monthly book. You can have recognized quality talent whose rates you can afford. That *doesn't* mean that the talent is going to have an interesting pitch for what to do with that property. Even under the old guard, the driving philosophy was "best idea wins." If a professional in the field has a good idea for something innovative that they're passionate about, I think that's going to win out over a recognized name that you attach to a title because you think that that title should be published. Every long-time Marvel and DC title has runs of the book that is lackluster, because they were published in a time where the companies thought they had to continue publishing the book every month just to keep the book alive.


How about this...A list character + top level talent + good idea = a book Valiant puts out ? Let’s give this a try!

Surely it a top talent doesn’t have a good concept for, say, XO then you just move onto the next talent ? Surely that’s achievable.

Yes the old guard did best idea wins but I’m advocating we do that on our best properties as we only have 6-7 books per month...so let’s not use up a spot on say, Forgotten Queen?

Again, let’s look at a strategy that the actual books themselves can *drive sales* rather than relying on marketing ploys.

Anyone with any ideas on actually driving sales upwards?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:59:53 am 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
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TheFerg714 wrote:
AnarchoMambo wrote:
Okay, maybe you’re onto something here. Shadowman: Punk Mambo, or Shadowman: Doctor Mirage, or “from the pages of—“

No, I think those are bad examples. Dr. Mirage and Punk Mambo are brands unto themselves, but they easily could have rebranded some of their more recent series. Eternal Warrior: Incursion, Harbinger: LaDoTH, Rai: Fallen World (or 4002 A.D., or 4002 A.D.: Fallen World). Seems like a simple fix. You still get the flashy new #1, while still building up the brand name. Valiant needs to make it so the average comic fan can easily see and recognize their comics, just by scrolling through the new comic section. As it is now, most casual comic readers see Fallen World and think, "hey, is that that one Japanese superhero?", while they should be thinking, "hey, I know Rai."

Agreed


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:29:03 am 
Now I bet you're all going to want me to drag it out and show you.
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
kjjohanson wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
nonplayer wrote:
The Chosen 1 wrote:
nonplayer wrote:
Sad numbers


Actually they're not really sad if you look at the market share of all the other publishers. Valiant has the third highest average per title behind Marvel & DC.

But thanks for continually chiming in with your persistent negativity. Considering you don't buy any Valiant titles any more, why are you here?

Id be getting titles if they didnt end the ones I was getting. :?
Ladoth Im obviously getting. Bloodshot RS I dropped that crap. And Im not going to invest in characters I dont like. And DMG is pushing a bunch I dont like.


Let’s think about these numbers and what Valiant’s current business model is?

Somehow Bloodshot Rising Spirit pulls in more numbers than LADOTH, is this simply brand recognition? If the titles were ‘Rising Spirit’ and ‘Harbinger:LADOTH’ then would the numbers look the same still?

Secondly, using unknown writers with no track record of decent sales on B and C list characters, what’s the best that can happen? What’s the aim :? Are they in the profit making business or the business of promoting left wing writers? Chief editor Robert Myers was supporting Aubrey Sitterson’s in his tweets yesterday, Sitterson who was taken off GI Joe after some left wing extreme shenanigans. I mean what is this? Some big left wing clique, should we expect him on a Valiant book in the near future? Myers promotes Dark Horse books more than he does Valiant, he seems to be like that last dude who he replaced (who was always promoting other companies books and had zero interest in Valiant).

Is it any surprise the sales are poor when the people in charge are making such bizarre decisions?

How about getting the best writer and artist we can afford and put them on an A list book (XO, Harbinger, Bloodshot)... let’s try that for a change!

This is what you're missing: You can have a recognized Valiant property that does not currently have a monthly book. You can have recognized quality talent whose rates you can afford. That *doesn't* mean that the talent is going to have an interesting pitch for what to do with that property. Even under the old guard, the driving philosophy was "best idea wins." If a professional in the field has a good idea for something innovative that they're passionate about, I think that's going to win out over a recognized name that you attach to a title because you think that that title should be published. Every long-time Marvel and DC title has runs of the book that is lackluster, because they were published in a time where the companies thought they had to continue publishing the book every month just to keep the book alive.


How about this...A list character + top level talent + good idea = a book Valiant puts out ? Let’s give this a try!

Surely it a top talent doesn’t have a good concept for, say, XO then you just move onto the next talent ? Surely that’s achievable.

Yes the old guard did best idea wins but I’m advocating we do that on our best properties as we only have 6-7 books per month...so let’s not use up a spot on say, Forgotten Queen?

Again, let’s look at a strategy that the actual books themselves can *drive sales* rather than relying on marketing ploys.

Anyone with any ideas on actually driving sales upwards?

I don't think you din't understand how creative people work.

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