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 Post subject: HW2 event was it a flop?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:49:02 pm 
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I'm really surprised there hasn't been any discussion concerning the event.

I personally thought it was terrible, the worst since the creation of Valiant.... in the 90's.

I don't think even Aftermath will wash out the crap it left in my mouth.

After the hot garbage buildup in Renegades and that one-shot with the original psiot and the build up of secret weapons.

WOW total letdown. where was Soloman? Where was that vampire psiot? Where was the huge battles?

it ended on a handshake!!!!!

what do you all think of it?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:08:35 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:23:12 am 
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.
Just jumpin' through time arcs, that's all.

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Flop. Feel scammed for my money in hopes of something awsome. Jadded towards DMG valiant. It will really make me question investing in other titles. Since the take over valiant has all but died. Im holding on for xo. Dont have hope for the new titles but will try incursion 1 bloodshot ongoing continuing with xo and for sure dysarts stuff. Valiant needs to get their squee together they have had lots of time now so ya. Least there is the walking dead

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:02:27 am 
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Definitely not what I wanted from Dinesh and Warren's last books.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:14:02 am 
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Flop. Disappointments have been noted in the other thread, but in retrospect, I think the biggest issue is that they didn't think to delay or add an issue and instead pieced together a 4th issue that is just someone explaining what happened. It takes any suspense or thrill out of the goings on, highlighting all the other faults. If that had been this upcoming AFTERMATH issue, that might've made some sense. but after the WTF moments in #3, to just have Peter Falk mumble through the parts Fred Savage doesn't really want to sit through really really really sucked.

They could've had a whole press release or more dedicated to the new EXTRA issue that the event was just too big and couldn't be contained as originally planned...that might've gotten more buyers to jump on.

And they (being VEI/DMG) have to see the sales numbers and have to consider it a flop as well. They had their core readers, but couldn't even top XO's diminishing numbers.

This would be a good place for someone to tally the sales numbers, but last I saw HW2 was somewhere down by NINJA-K and nowhere near XO. And I don't think board excitement encouraged any of the trade waiters to rush out for it.

On the other hand, I do have hopes for the new titles. They are all at least mildly interesting to me, but Livewire was more so before HW2 revealed itself. Plus these are the books where we'll really see what the new regime is up to. I think the diminishing excitement on XO, Bloodshot, and HW2 are a result of the takeover and the company trying to maintain output during the shakeup. Q&W and Ninja-K have maintained a really nice quality in the shakeup... Q&W especially, surprising me that it got even better even after the first arc's surprisingly good story.

I'm rooting for Illidge.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:12:31 am 
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It's a flop...not really any need to elaborate further as anyone who read it already knows how bad it sucked


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:20:24 am 
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WrathOfArmstrong wrote:
I think the diminishing excitement on XO, Bloodshot, and HW2 are a result of the takeover and the company trying to maintain output during the shakeup. Q&W and Ninja-K have maintained a really nice quality in the shakeup... Q&W especially, surprising me that it got even better even after the first arc's surprisingly good story.

I'm rooting for Illidge.


To me it's obvious what happened with those books. Dinesh and Warren have talked in interviews about the Valiant creative process about how they approach ongoings and how far ahead they are. They've said that they get very far ahead on new books up until about the third arc or end of the first year of story, they fly by the seat of their pants mostly after that and that crossovers are so intensive that they are down to the wire creative decisions. To me this fits perfectly with the quality drop:

X-O and Bloodshot droppped sharply in quality because Dinesh and Warren were gone and the book was already in the "fly by the seat of their pants" phase so there was no story with their oversight to publish for the new DMG Valiant. They DMG team had to oversee it and did a bad job.

Q&W and Ninja-k maintained because those books were in the Dinesh and Warren "very far ahead on new books" phase so DMG Valiant just had to finish the last bits and publish those books.

HW2 was a disaster because those events need Dinesh and Warren to be there every second right to the last "down to the wire' moment. Also, I'm pretty sure they made up a whole new story using only the premise that was announced...or maybe because those crossovers are so last minute there was nothing but the prelude part and the synopsis ready and everything else was decided by DMG. I mean lots of those choices in the story were things Dinesh and Warren not only wouldn't do but seem to actively avoid doing.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:40:56 pm 
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Flop. Didn't recover from the format change and loss of half the creative team.

Remember "VALIANT PRESTIGE format – a new form of deluxe packaging for Valiant’s most important standalone limited series and events!" This event didn't have it.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:33:49 pm 
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Flop.

I’ve already commented in the spoiler section discussion on the last issue, so I won’t repeat any of that here. But I will just say that I found this story to be a meandering, ham fisted mess that was a chore to read at best, and downright painful at its worst. With the exception of the Heiserrer prelude issue, which was great.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:56:09 am 
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grendeljd wrote:
Flop.

I’ve already commented in the spoiler section discussion on the last issue, so I won’t repeat any of that here. But I will just say that I found this story to be a meandering, ham fisted mess that was a chore to read at best, and downright painful at its worst. With the exception of the Heiserrer prelude issue, which was great.


I'll echo the Flop theme here, because it was.

I guess the thing that bothers me the most, all the things Heiserrer wrote went for not, or at best so very little. I think we all can agree that his writing was beautiful, and we all cared about the characters. We fell in love with Livewire almost instantly in Secret Weapons, and were all very excited to see where this was supposed to go. The mail in book and the zero issue, they're all for nothing, and that bothers me. Harbinger Renegade, Alpha, Solomon... All for nothing.

Sure, the book sucked, but a lot of great writing also went into the toilet.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:27:01 pm 
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grendeljd wrote:
Flop.

I’ve already commented in the spoiler section discussion on the last issue, so I won’t repeat any of that here. But I will just say that I found this story to be a meandering, ham fisted mess that was a chore to read at best, and downright painful at its worst. With the exception of the Heiserrer prelude issue, which was great.


I'll echo the Flop theme here, because it was.

I guess the thing that bothers me the most, all the things Heiserrer wrote went for not, or at best so very little. I think we all can agree that his writing was beautiful, and we all cared about the characters. We fell in love with Livewire almost instantly in Secret Weapons, and were all very excited to see where this was supposed to go. The mail in book and the zero issue, they're all for nothing, and that bothers me. Harbinger Renegade, Alpha, Solomon... All for nothing.

Sure, the book sucked, but a lot of great writing also went into the toilet.


Very good point. Thats an extra layer of Disappointment Condiment inside a *SQUEE* sandwich we all ate.

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Flop for sure, Kindt knows it. I just seen him in Saskatoon.

I think this book was a victim of timing and I agree the new guys had to scramble just to get books on the self. I think this is why they printed Valiant High.

I really can't blame the new guys for it though, their work is still to come and I will judge them on that. Shadowman and Ninja-k are going great right now.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:27:32 am 
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hawkeyeps wrote:
[]Flop for sure, Kindt knows it. I just seen him in Saskatoon.


anything else to go with that?

You know, it would be nice if they went the Deluxe HC route and expanded the story with new pages. Just because something didn't work the first time, because it was rushed, doesn't mean it can't be salvaged. And I think it would go a long way to extending good faith between the new regime and us. It would also be a sign for the industry that they want quality books under their banner.

Fix it.


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