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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:50:59 am 
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This on the heels of them announcing this Matthew Klein guy as direct of sales. He must really not be well liked.
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He was FIRED from Valiant under the last management team

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Very interesting. I may need to move this to the conspiracy thread but what I'm hearing is that Klein was fired by Dinesh and Co and then Klein behind the scenes began orchestrating DMGs buyout of Dinesh and Co, so that he could get his old job back. :hm:

Somebody said in another thread that Valiant needed more villains. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:51:47 am 
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Maybe now is a good time to buy. :hm:


Well, if all these movies and TV shows are really happening, it possibly is. Also, if you think DMG really does intend to market Valiant high and then sell for a nice profit (my personal belief), than there potentially is a nice profit to be made here. I'd consider DMG a risky investment currently, but given how low the price per share is on DMG, I'd argue it's a fairly low investment. The other thing is it looks like they've do offer a dividend, which is nice, because it means they pay something to you just for owning stock. It's not a great dividend, but they still offer one. Where you would want to worry is if they talk about holding off on paying dividend any quarter, because that's a sure sign of financial troubles.

I have never personally bought stock not sold on the New York Stock exchange, so it's a little harder for me to provide as good of an analysis on DMG stock. But if you're comfortable investing in foreign markets, it doesn't seem like the price per share is all that high. The highest DMG stock has been over the last 5+ years was around $28, so if better times are in the future for DMG, they certainly have a lot of potential upward movement from where they currently are....again, if you believe this is just a current slump and not a long term issue


Thanks for the analysis in a nutshell.

When it comes to finances, I tend to be a bit of a contrarian, looking for distressed stocks to buy. I have been burned more than once but I have made several times more money than I have lost, admittedly I haven't gambled too heavily with this sort of investing. I think this sort of financial contrarianism runs in my family, based on what limited discussions I had with my grandfather about such things and his stories about his father and grandfather.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:57:24 pm 
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Chiclo wrote:
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Maybe now is a good time to buy. :hm:


Well, if all these movies and TV shows are really happening, it possibly is. Also, if you think DMG really does intend to market Valiant high and then sell for a nice profit (my personal belief), than there potentially is a nice profit to be made here. I'd consider DMG a risky investment currently, but given how low the price per share is on DMG, I'd argue it's a fairly low investment. The other thing is it looks like they've do offer a dividend, which is nice, because it means they pay something to you just for owning stock. It's not a great dividend, but they still offer one. Where you would want to worry is if they talk about holding off on paying dividend any quarter, because that's a sure sign of financial troubles.

I have never personally bought stock not sold on the New York Stock exchange, so it's a little harder for me to provide as good of an analysis on DMG stock. But if you're comfortable investing in foreign markets, it doesn't seem like the price per share is all that high. The highest DMG stock has been over the last 5+ years was around $28, so if better times are in the future for DMG, they certainly have a lot of potential upward movement from where they currently are....again, if you believe this is just a current slump and not a long term issue


Thanks for the analysis in a nutshell.

When it comes to finances, I tend to be a bit of a contrarian, looking for distressed stocks to buy. I have been burned more than once but I have made several times more money than I have lost, admittedly I haven't gambled too heavily with this sort of investing. I think this sort of financial contrarianism runs in my family, based on what limited discussions I had with my grandfather about such things and his stories about his father and grandfather.


Well that was my analysis...If you want my opinion on DMG Stock as a investor, I wouldn't touch it personally. There's too much I don't know about what's going on with their stock. given it only trades on a foreign exchange, and public details about their financials and stock impacts are really hard to find (at least in english), as well as how badly the chinese stock exchange is currently doing given US tariffs and global concersn, I would stay away. Just my 2 cents

I also tend to buy safer stocks though, especially ones from companies that have a long history of strong financial performance and well run business management and strategies. I have none of those confidences in DMG. That's not speaking as a fan of Valiant or for any reason related to Valiant, but simply as an investor. I feel DMG has too much money tied up in loans and high risk hedge bets on assets that have yet to materialize to trust in their future pay off. There are much better low cost stocks that would be considered "risky" currently to invest in with high confidence of long term profitability.


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Whoa. This entire thread is TL;DR

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:41:48 pm 
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I'm guessing this has something to do with it.

BRIEF-DMG Entertainment and Media Scraps Asset Restructuring, Share Trade To Resume July 6, 2018

July 6 (Reuters) - DMG Entertainment and Media Co Ltd :

* SAYS IT SCRAPS ASSET RESTRUCTURING AS CONCERNING PARTIES FAILED TO REACH AGREEMENT

* SAYS TRADING IN SHARES TO RESUME ON JULY 9


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jmatt wrote:
I'm guessing this has something to do with it.

BRIEF-DMG Entertainment and Media Scraps Asset Restructuring, Share Trade To Resume July 6, 2018

July 6 (Reuters) - DMG Entertainment and Media Co Ltd :

* SAYS IT SCRAPS ASSET RESTRUCTURING AS CONCERNING PARTIES FAILED TO REACH AGREEMENT

* SAYS TRADING IN SHARES TO RESUME ON JULY 9


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:11:19 pm 
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Shortly after the DMG/Valiant announcement, the stock went up to 27 CNY. Now it's lower than 8. I hope Dino, Warren, and company got paid in cash, and not DMG stock.


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I also tend to buy safer stocks though, especially ones from companies that have a long history of strong financial performance and well run business management and strategies. I have none of those confidences in DMG. That's not speaking as a fan of Valiant or for any reason related to Valiant, but simply as an investor. I feel DMG has too much money tied up in loans and high risk hedge bets on assets that have yet to materialize to trust in their future pay off. There are much better low cost stocks that would be considered "risky" currently to invest in with high confidence of long term profitability.


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Also, doing a little research, looks like DMG put a freeze on stocks in February. Also at the end of January, one of the controlling share holders sold 106M shares (or 6% of the company stock) to a chinese firm called Anxin. This type of sell off can also impact share price. So if that happened January, and then there was a freeze placed in February, we may now be seeing the impact on shares from numerous events after the freeze was lifted.
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I would like add another important detail to this discussion. Back in 2011, Disney purchased Marvel for $4 Billion. This was after four successful films in the MCU, and sixteen previous licensed Marvel films released during the 2000s that helped to cement Marvel's cinematic brand among audiences. We should also factor in various other Marvel media adaptions that contributed to that final valuation. Hasbro purchased the Power Rangers IP for $522 Million after two decades of live action televisions shows, and a recent cinematic adaption. We should look at these recent sales, because they give us an idea of what determines a franchise's value. Even if Bloodshot is successful I doubt it would increase much of an impact on the overall value of the Valiant Universe. It would only be a single media adaption

Valiant has had no media adaptions since Dinesh purchased the IP from Acclaim during the mid-2000s. In the initial Acclaim buyout, Valiant was purchased for $65 million. I tried to measure for inflation, and I'm assuming that Valiant would be worth $112 million in 2018. It's possible that the difference in the state of the comic book industry as well as the events of the Acclaim bankruptcy could have had an impact on Valiant's actual market value. What I'm getting at is that if things start to go south for DMG we might have a good idea of how much Valiant would be worth is someone wanted to purchase the rights to the characters. It's becoming pretty clear that Dan Mintz is planning to sell Valiant once he can maximize its valuation. The question is what that value will end up being, and when the inevitable deal will occur? Another question is that when DMG makes the sale, will it be for profit or out of desperation?

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"Thursday's news also marks the announcement of Shamdasani, former CEO and chief creative officer of Valiant Entertainment as co-president of Hivemind. In his previous role at Valiant he collaborated with Lemire on a number of projects, including The Valiant and Bloodshot Reborn. Hivemind, originally announced as Mythos earlier this year, was founded by Shamdasani, Brown, Daniel and Lingg to partner with creators and intellectual property owners in genre entertainment, with a particular eye on science fiction, fantasy, horror, video games and comic books."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live- ... nd-1123493

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Other projects currently in the works at Hivemind include the adaptation of the video game The Witcher for Netflix, the Guillermo del Toro-produced Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark movie and Amazon’s continuation of the Syfy series The Expanse, which Brown and Daniel developed and on which they served as executive producers. The company also recently signed a first-look deal with Amazon Studios.


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It’s Acclaim all over again. Maybe Dino can repurchase the rights when they go bankrupt with the money they paid him off in his severance...that would be Karma.


Dino has four shows. Dan has one. Dino already made a deal with Amazon to produce Hivemind Shows. Dan is rumored to be desperately searching for someone to sign a first look deal. Dino is stacking bills, and getting paid. Dan is losing money like the *SQUEE* that he is. Might be more truth in your statement than you realize BugsySig. It's starting to look like DMG is already planning to sell in the future. We'll see by then who has more cash in the bank. I don't think the Nerd Boss would miss the opportunity to take back his brainchild. Assuming that Dino used his severance to launch Hivemind, then yes, that would be some poetic justice. We should keep an eye on DMG. This could be the beginning of something much bigger especially when you take the other factors into consideration. Let's see how this progresses through the year.

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Whoa. This entire thread is TL;DR


TL:DR

Dan Mintz is struggling to launch any of the media projects deals that Dinesh secured for Valiant. We have one movie, Bloodshot, and one t.v. show, Quantum and Woody, finally entering production. With five projects in limbo, Archer & Armstrong, X-O Manowar, Shadowman, Harbinger, Dr. Mirage, with no progress in the past six months. Dan's got no people skills, and can't get through the front door with anyone to push these deals forward. The only real "news" is official confirmation of the Faith film that was already rumored way back when Secret Weapons came out. Danny Dan the Good Boi Man isn't doing so hot.

DMG is losing stock in for mysterious reason. Probably political. Numbers are dropping fast. 10% every day for four days straight. DMG's got plenty of assets, but mostly in loans. In China. DMG's stock is only a third of what it was in January. Stock is being sold, and traded with "assets", really loans, being "restructured". DMG is secretly in talks to strike a deal with a major studio, the terms of which are unknown.

Grab some popcorn, and get ready to watch a train-wreck. This gonna get good.


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Another day, another 10% drop for DMG...

Stock is now down over 50%! Stock fell 10% again in the last day. It is now down more than 50% (including compounding). Will the fall stop?

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Whoa. This entire thread is TL;DR


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Not that Disney and DMG are even in the same ball park, but it's worth mentioning that despite owning Star Wars AND Marvel, and numerous block buster movies over the last 5 years, Disney stock also has not been doing great. It's been ping-ponging between $95/share and $110/share for a year now...Much to my disappointment, because I bought stock when it was down around $95/share. I'm still making a profit off the purchase at this point, but given it's huge block buster potential with these franchises, I expected like most analysts the stock would be trading up around $125/share by this point....It hasn't even gotten close.

That said, Disney is a perfect example that company performance and health do not always combine with surges in stock price. There's a ton of outside factors involved, such as politics, economy, investor confidence, etc. Also, there were several snafu's with Disney owned ESPN last year which hurt them in stock price...funny since I would honestly consider ESPN a small piece of their portfolio in comparison. That said, the health of Disney as a company is not in question and it's still an excellent stock to buy, and still considered a great buy at the current price by Analysts.

Another great example is Sony, who also has some pretty major debt and failing assets. However, their video game division is extremely strong. Or Nintendo during the Wii U years...Everyone was screaming "doom & gloom" for Nintendo, but their 3DS division kept them profitable still. Now of course the Switch has them rolling in dough again.

Just goes to show company's can have some massively successful assets while others can drag down a company stock. Don't judge a company's success solely based on stock price. Though in the case of DMG, if they did borrow heavily against their stock, and the stock is failing, that could spell trouble. I can't really find confirmation of that however outside of the re-structure deal that fell through, and that didn't specifically mention borrowing against their stock. Still, if stocks are sliding bad, then I would not be surprised to see DMG sell off assets, or disband assets they consider harmful to their long term success. With how much money has been staked on Valiant, I don't see them dumping this asset unless they stand to make a sizeable profit off of it.


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Well, at least it's only down 9.96%, the downward spiral is slowing!


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Some great insight and speculation here ... seems like this could be a pretty big factor in the future direction of Valiant.


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