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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:49:00 am 
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Chiclo wrote:
I would like to follow up my criticism of tell's reaction by saying that forced diversity or a focus on diversity for diversity sake or seeking diversity merely as an end to justify itself are all things that are worthy of criticism. Valiant did not do any of these things. Valiant does not crow about its diversity. No Valiant characters discuss how much they value their diversity, they just are diverse. And that is how diversity is done properly.

Diversity is a little bit like power or grace or intelligence. If you have to go around talking about how powerful you are or how smart you are or how much of a lady you are, you probably aren't. If you go around bragging about how diverse you are, you are 1) being diverse for the wrong reasons, just to be diverse, and that is worthy of criticism and 2) probably not representing those diverse viewpoints properly. Valiant isn't doing that.

If you shy away from media that represents the left-leaning viewpoints, you will not have much media available to you. We lost Hollywood half a century ago. They are still mad about the great American Hero, Tailgunner Joe, standing up and calling out the commies and chumps for the commies that were making movies in the 50s. And they have managed to establish a monolithic united stance against us ever since. If you don't challenge what you know is right, how can you know that you are right or what is wrong?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:18:35 am 
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Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
I would like to follow up my criticism of tell's reaction by saying that forced diversity or a focus on diversity for diversity sake or seeking diversity merely as an end to justify itself are all things that are worthy of criticism. Valiant did not do any of these things. Valiant does not crow about its diversity. No Valiant characters discuss how much they value their diversity, they just are diverse. And that is how diversity is done properly.

Diversity is a little bit like power or grace or intelligence. If you have to go around talking about how powerful you are or how smart you are or how much of a lady you are, you probably aren't. If you go around bragging about how diverse you are, you are 1) being diverse for the wrong reasons, just to be diverse, and that is worthy of criticism and 2) probably not representing those diverse viewpoints properly. Valiant isn't doing that.

If you shy away from media that represents the left-leaning viewpoints, you will not have much media available to you. We lost Hollywood half a century ago. They are still mad about the great American Hero, Tailgunner Joe, standing up and calling out the commies and chumps for the commies that were making movies in the 50s. And they have managed to establish a monolithic united stance against us ever since. If you don't challenge what you know is right, how can you know that you are right or what is wrong?

+1 This. :clap:

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you were chicloing just great until you glorified McCarthy...

Seriously? The guy was a wingnut of the nth degree and did exponentially more harm than good.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:54:15 pm 
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Warren commented on Twitter today:
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Today I am stepping away from my position at Valiant with nothing but the utmost pride and appreciation for what a fantastic experience this journey has been

I want to thank all the PHENOMENAL creators, staff, and most of all the Valiant fans for seven great years!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:31:06 pm 
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Keith wrote:
Warren commented on Twitter today:
Warren Simons wrote:
Today I am stepping away from my position at Valiant with nothing but the utmost pride and appreciation for what a fantastic experience this journey has been

I want to thank all the PHENOMENAL creators, staff, and most of all the Valiant fans for seven great years!

And that's officially it. Goodbye Warren - thanks for all the amazing books!

I was just talking about this with the manager at my LCS last week. We were discussing the impact of the changing of the guard on the fan base, and the general perception he has observed that people expect it to take a turn for the worse from here. All on his own without any related facts mentioned by me, he commented that the new Valiant line since 2012 has felt like some of the best Marvel comics that came out in the early 2000's (thinking of stuff like the Bruce Jones run on Incredible Hulk). I said that seemed right, since Warren was an editor there at the time & he was amazed to learn that.

Very cool that this is the kind of presence & impact Warren's unique sensibilities have had personally on the VEI line. He will be missed!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:08:55 am 
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Phoenix8008 wrote:
I'd rather them stick with fictional political figures, and not portray real ones of either political side.


I think we can all agree that it would be for the best if Trump and Clinton were in fact fictional political figures. :!: :P

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:27:51 am 
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The Dirt Gang wrote:
Phoenix8008 wrote:
I'd rather them stick with fictional political figures, and not portray real ones of either political side.


I think we can all agree that it would be for the best if Trump and Clinton were in fact fictional political figures. :!: :P


Bill Clinton is still my favourite Saturday Night Live character.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:38:27 am 
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Chiclo wrote:
The Dirt Gang wrote:
Phoenix8008 wrote:
I'd rather them stick with fictional political figures, and not portray real ones of either political side.


I think we can all agree that it would be for the best if Trump and Clinton were in fact fictional political figures. :!: :P


Bill Clinton is still my favourite Saturday Night Live character.

That is a good one. Tina Fey's Sarah Palin is high up there on my list too.

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