[19:59] we ready? [19:59] and...begin. [19:59] 9:01 here [19:59] no [19:59] hey john [19:59] ready! [19:59] SURE!! [19:59] ok . . . [19:59] If I wind up owning Valiant I will try to get Jim Shooter and Bob Layton to do a book together. [20:00] hey john [20:00] thanks and good night [20:00] ROFL! [20:00] HA! [20:00] hahahaha [20:00] lol [20:00] HEY!!! [20:00] you rock! [20:00] hahahhaa [20:00] wow [20:00] shooter! boo [20:00] haha [20:00] rich AND a sense of humor.. [20:00] blahsphemy [20:00] what are you doing Friday night....? [20:00] lol...don't toy with us monkey boy! [20:00] tap tap [20:00] OK lets go. . . - by the way -I am serious about that. [20:00] * Sid187 (~Sid187@e8a4d95.1654620b.ipt.aol.com) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:01] he's a slow typer. ;) [20:01] so I'm going to just bring up some stuff I know you want first [20:01] may god go with you my son..lol [20:01] with barry winsor-smith on pencils, don't forget [20:01] By the way...MOTA's agreed to get copies of the transcript of tonight's chat signed by Shooter, Layton, and Bob Hall....this will be VcVSS #4. [20:01] Unblessed . . .I'm typing slow b/c I know you can't read very fast [20:01] * Tbrezz (~Tbrezz@e8a4d95.1654620b.ipt.aol.com) has joined #valiantcomics [20:01] lol...zing! [20:01] The sigs will be copied, of course. [20:01] ty [20:01] LOL [20:01] heh, z [20:02] hehehe [20:02] so what are you're plans mr taddeo? [20:02] 20 [20:02] unb- - -you're not going to make me do this to again tomight are you . . .Cin remind him of last time [20:02] How many books would you publish? [20:02] he has pics john [20:02] lol...hey, don't take me down with ya...lol [20:02] I'm not drunk this time :) [20:02] One – To start I would try to make one really kick ass book. Something to really put Valiant back on the Map. [20:02] me neither [20:02] Would you get some of the original creators back? [20:03] Yes, Bart Sears, Andy Smith, Tony Bedard and of course Bob Layton come to mind as some Valiant Alumni that I know and like very much. If any of these guys wanted to do something I would be very open minded. [20:03] Yo tampoco. [20:03] sweet [20:03] I would of course love to get a story or more from Jim [20:03] awesome [20:03] Van Hook and Hall!!! [20:03] What about Bob Layton? [20:03] Alright..but NO ponytails on any of the artists. That's what did them in last time. [20:03] guys [20:03] Bob would be a tie for the number one guy I would love to see back on a Valiant book. [20:03] Bob Layton is cool - and Bart Sears!!! [20:03] obviously john's readingfrom a preprepared list [20:03] let's hear him out [20:03] and agreed to LIMITED ponytails if they reduce their per page rates [20:03] * comix (comix@53886e8.3cf137b8.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #valiantcomics [20:04] LOL [20:04] Wow. Who are all you people? [20:04] ROFL! [20:04] lol [20:04] will bob layton have editorial duties as before? [20:04] get off my color, beyotch! [20:04] you invited them all back zeph...remember? [20:04] dino - WHO HATES THE NAME ASSASSINATION - NO [20:04] he will not [20:04] I don't want any of my pearls of insight to be confused with the dreck you type... [20:04] KIDDING. I KID! [20:04] [20:04] i do hate it - nothing personal [20:04] no offense taken [20:05] are you going to publish the books under that logo? [20:05] or form a new one? [20:05] I myself would not take the screen name Dino [20:05] Damn. We're being serious now. Okey doke. [20:05] ;) [20:05] lol...the man is fearless [20:05] ROFL!! [20:05] so we ready to get serious? [20:05] Iam, heh [20:05] Mainly...are you going to hire me to edit? That's my only goal. [20:05] :) [20:05] indeed [20:05] I want to write ;) [20:06] i want to read [20:06] The auction is April 12 [20:06] There will likely be other bidders [20:06] Who are you known competitors? [20:06] and everything we talk about is very very IF IF IF [20:06] * wrunow (wrunow@252137e.23e86861.res.rr.com) has joined #valiantcomics [20:06] Yea - I would like a NEW Valiant book to read... [20:06] you mention 1 book to start with, any idea which character? [20:06] of course [20:06] Sorry I'm late [20:06] you missed it [20:06] haven't you outbid everyone? [20:06] we understand john [20:06] so every answer is of course IF [20:06] that's ok, we saved a chair. [20:06] in other words at this point it's just fun [20:07] this an ebay auction? [20:07] alright who took my seat? [20:07] more the marier [20:07] and under water, the more the submariner. [20:07] * DJG (DJG@3d9ffd99.15e08640.east.verizon.net) has joined #valiantcomics [20:07] One Aye asks which character [20:07] LOL [20:07] what'd I miss, wow there are alot of people here [20:07] what do you think you'd be most likely to do, reboot or pick up where things left off? [20:07] Can not answer b/c the dream project is Shooter Layton [20:07] * sonicdan (~sonicdan@3856dc6.2f9b2a4a.omah.qwest.net) has joined #valiantcomics [20:07] happy feet [20:08] and I would gbasically give that combo the portfolio [20:08] John, are you in negotiations with Bart Sears? I wasat his sit ethe other day and he has a job in the works - very hush, hush! [20:08] So, you've talked to Layton, and he's 'in'....what about Jim? Any discussions/casual conversations/stalking at 3AM? [20:08] to work - -so I can't say . . .If I were to choose it - - - [20:08] two letters [20:08] any response? [20:08] XO [20:08] you got it [20:08] [20:08] Awesome [20:08] :) [20:08] ahhh....THOSE letters. [20:09] COOL - X-O!! [20:09] yay!!! [20:09] that cover Layton did would be perfect [20:09] 48 pagers with 12 point covers and thick juicy rich paper [20:09] if you could talk at some point about your plans for the characters in terms of film liscensing - those already existing and what you would like to pursue, as well as if you have contacts in the business to help you with that [20:09] john...would the valiant book(s) be in the same universe as zoom? [20:09] that be cool, 48 page monthlies? [20:09] i like riftts questionm [20:10] awesome [20:10] * Dawg (~Dawg@18377e3c.262dee27.ga.comcast.net) has joined #valiantcomics [20:10] Is Jim Shooter definitely going to be working on it??? [20:10] Lemme say this one thing.....(yeah, like I ever shut up. ;)) [20:10] lol [20:10] not definately...everything is a big IF [20:10] Whatever is done, someone needs to have a vision... [20:10] looks like everyone is here [20:10] As you know...Jim had Valiant in his head nearly a decade before Magnus #1... [20:10] PM - I have some friends that do stuff like that - Bill Jemas company does that and he's a friend. I also have a manager that handles stuff like that. But no I personally wouldn't. I only wan tto do fun stuff [20:10] comics [20:10] New Universe was the first...consider it Valiant Episode I [20:10] and films [20:11] Do you have anyone with such a vision in mind? [20:11] like the fun stuff of ilms not shopping them or selling them [20:11] * comix (comix@53886e8.3cf137b8.dsl.mindspring.com) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:11] ....? [20:12] PM - No, It would be way to early. Jim was crteating something. I would be buyingsomething thatexisted. SO it's a very differnet situation [20:12] are u looking to work only with established creators or will u open the door for people to submit ideas (writers, not just artists)? [20:12] Would you try to get the Gold Key characters again? [20:12] My goal would be to try to get as much into waht is there and build off the foundation [20:13] How would you start the characters? reboot or some kind of continuity? [20:13] so are you going to build of the past stories/history? [20:13] ok - hold while I answer Mike [20:13] heh, thanks [20:13] i agree...you can reference things from magnus/solar without mentioning them [20:13] wait a go mike:) [20:13] Oh...man...my parents are home....quick everyone get the heck out of my house [20:13] MIke -I'll never be a big company so there really isn't much in the way of jobs in any case. It's [20:13] Iif you can't get the Gold Key characters would you be able to use Destroyer? he is a version of Solar only Valiant printed... [20:13] always been my goal to do just a book or two [20:13] * Bro (BroJ@831ef56.3682fb09.ipt.aol.com) has joined #valiantcomics [20:14] like 2 L.S. a year [20:14] bro! grab a seat [20:14] oh [20:14] whats 2 l.s.? [20:14] Dino -build on past - -did I just answer you? [20:14] limited series [20:14] thanks [20:14] What if.....you got the talent (established or not) to build a line over time? [20:14] it's a start guys...start small [20:14] * chuck (~chuck@1c2d962f.2af52808.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #valiantcomics [20:14] so you're looking to not just revive the properties but get the original creators back on the concepts they created in the first place? [20:15] The catalog is huge, as you know...there's a lot of potential. [20:15] tons actually [20:15] PM - I wouldn't personally - -but I wouldnb't be adverse if someone else wnated to on their time and dime [20:15] (created or are known for at valiant, rather) layton on xo, vanhook on bloodshot, etc [20:15] Start small - SLOWLY grow. I like that!! [20:15] (who's pm?) [20:15] mike [20:15] * chuck is now known as Slacker125783 [20:15] Gotcha. [20:15] aim small miss small [20:15] Mike - Shooter and Layton on 1 book or limited series [20:16] OR are you looking for another effin mess??? [20:16] keep up zeph..lol [20:16] i hate messes [20:16] Dunno what PM referred to. ;) [20:16] heh, I'm looking for a valiant universe made up of eight titles ;) [20:16] Amen. [20:16] butI'd settle for 2 ls's a year, heh [20:16] i'll settle for whatever gets published...it's better then what we have now [20:16] If Claremont, Cockrum, and Byrne could do it with one book...it can be done. :) [20:16] Mike - then buy 3 marvels, 3 dcs and zoom suit and ONE valiant [20:17] Amen [20:17] AGREED Cin!! [20:17] is the two l.s.'s idea because of production budget or concerns over how well they would sell? [20:17] then rip out the pages and throw them in the air [20:17] lol [20:17] and imagine you have eight valaints [20:17] hehehehe [20:17] MY PRISTINE MINT BOOKS! [20:17] lol [20:17] LOL [20:17] damn, no cgc for them [20:17] seriously guys . . we need on good book! [20:17] amen [20:17] preach it brother [20:17] A good story, with quality art and high production values [20:18] and the reight teamj [20:18] Story > art [20:18] i hate to ask this but im such a big fan that anyone who would come along and try and buy them worries me. I gotta ask, do you really intend to win this auction or is all this promotion for your zoom books? [20:18] right [20:18] shout it from the mountain [20:18] DIno - -very defeatest [20:18] when u say one book do u mean something like an anthology, or just focused on one character? [20:18] I just bid a half a million dollars on Crossgen [20:18] You are going to give the board membes here screeners, right? LOL [20:18] oooohhh...an anthology [20:19] valiant tales [20:19] When I say one book I mean I'm going to go see the man on the mountain [20:19] god i am a marketing guru [20:19] and I'm going to tell him how we all feel [20:19] oh!! [20:19] and how in psite of the past this is something fans would want [20:20] shooter will come...he loves these characters [20:20] and if he wants me to prove It has nothing to do with money I will donate My procceds on the book to an animal charity [20:20] I told you guys he had all the right answers....lol [20:20] and then I'm headed to Tampa [20:20] That's my neck!! [20:20] and I'm doing the same thing to the man on the other mountain [20:20] who's n tampa [20:20] bob [20:20] layton [20:20] BOB [20:20] ahhh [20:20] ASPCA. ;) [20:21] Just thought I'd get that in. [20:21] I still feel like I don't know what's up with the continuity issue. what can we expect? reboot, start just now without worry of what came before, resolution to the 10 year nap... what? [20:21] It'll be like a freeze miser, heat msier thing [20:21] john...i truly think it'll work [20:21] or cold miser, too. [20:21] I hope I won't be dressed like mother nature when I do It [20:21] but it all hinges on winning that auction [20:21] :) [20:21] IT ALL HINGES . . . . . [20:21] who else is interested in the auction? [20:21] we rollin? [20:21] Well....how much do you think the catalog is worth in auction dollars? [20:22] $1M? More? Less? [20:22] yea...how much are you expecting to put up [20:22] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - -CAN'T ANSWER THAT [20:22] Acclaim paid $65M in 1996. [20:22] no specifics [20:22] Not what you're bidding...but what you think it's worth. [20:22] zwh: I'm sure VH 2 devalued it, lol [20:22] Yeah - look where they are now... [20:22] private registration or what? [20:22] I bid $10 for stuff I think is worth $100 all the time. [20:22] duh...i knew that...sorry john [20:22] I thought Layton and Shooter don't like each other [20:22] Can't answer that. I can tell you my starting bid [20:23] 200k [20:23] dont tell us anything you cant john...we totally understand [20:23] fair enough. [20:23] i do anyway...lol [20:23] There may be a thing or two I can't answer - -I apologise for that [20:23] it's cool [20:23] No problem. Such is business. [20:23] being here means a lot to us [20:23] if this happens, do you expect to self publish or would u go with someone like Image? [20:23] what other companies are interested that you knowof? [20:23] it's cool [20:24] who else is bidding? I have to win the lotto first. ;) [20:24] XO - -unknown at this point [20:24] Everyone here is a fan - we ALL understand you can't give us details. We just want our characters back in publication and done right!!! [20:24] John, why don't you think one of the big boys won't bid against you with their deep pockets just so you won't eventually become a pain in the a.... with these properties? [20:24] no one else has signed up but the larger companies wiat till the last minute [20:24] thanks [20:24] I'm not a fan. I just like an audience to shoot my mouth off. [20:24] EX - -DISNEY ACTUALLY SIGNED UP LATE [20:24] KIDDING! I KID! [20:24] ;) [20:24] for CG [20:24] * DJG53 (DJG@384863c2.3856dc6.east.verizon.net) has joined #valiantcomics [20:24] * DJG53 (DJG@384863c2.3856dc6.east.verizon.net) Quit (Client exited) [20:24] * DJG44 (DJG@384863c2.3856dc6.east.verizon.net) has joined #valiantcomics [20:24] crossgen has tons of potential too [20:25] technically Mark Allessi reopened the auction to them. I could have taken it to the matresses [20:25] cool [20:25] I would have [20:25] We have some questions from Magnusr from the messageboard. [20:25] but I'm not interested in wasting time fighting [20:25] which would have cost you a lot more tham $500,000 [20:25] I have his questions - - -hold [20:25] than, too [20:25] He's in Sweden, so it's not exactly waking hours there right now. [20:25] * DJG (DJG@3d9ffd99.15e08640.east.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) [20:25] magnus...hate he's missing it [20:25] who is your favorite Valiant character(s)? [20:25] pm - yes iT would. But technically I won that auction b/c [20:25] I was the guy that didn't overpay [20:26] Am I PM? [20:26] do you think valiant is worth more than crossgen? [20:26] lol..you are now [20:26] o sorry ZW [20:26] Ohhh... [20:26] All this time, I thought you were ignoring me. ;) [20:26] Hehehe [20:26] it's cool...like a circus in here [20:26] trying to find magnusr question [20:26] Here's his quote: [20:26] about the status of the existing stories, that'd be nice. I mean the stories that do include Magnus and Solar, can they be referenced? Or would there have to be new back-grounds for some characters? Also, can Phil be used as a character if he never calls himself Solar? [20:26] <--believes Valiant is worth FAR more than Crossgen. [20:26] ZWH - -shhhhh [20:26] <-- knows Disney is evil [20:26] oh, sorry... [20:26] :D [20:27] I meant less. [20:27] WAYYY less [20:27] Magnusr - -Not present, but I grabbed his question off the board for him - -Asks -- Also, if someone could ask about the status of the existing stories, that'd be nice. I mean the stories that do include Magnus and Solar, can they be referenced? Or would there have to be new back-grounds for some characters? Also, can Phil be used as a character if he never calls himself Solar? That kind of things. [20:27] Like $18.93. [20:27] Tops. [20:27] Question 1 – Can the stories be referenced - good question, although mot a simple yes or no– [20:27] The rights will be broken up in a manner very similar to music publishing rights. In Music there are performance rights and publishing rights. [20:27] * DJG44 (DJG@384863c2.3856dc6.east.verizon.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) [20:27] To then use the performance you need the performance rights, also sometimes Master performance or master recording rights. Usually a huge company that doesn’t know or care that you exist owns these - -Universal and BMG come to mind (as huge – not uncaring). So you must now get these rights. [20:28] So although the stories will be owned by VALIANT (whomever that turns out to be) the characters will be owned by their respective trademark holders. [20:28] effin whew - -I typed that earlier and I'm still tired [20:28] Wuill Destroyer be able to be used if Solar can't? he is another version of Solar that only Valiant printed... [20:28] So SOLAR for example will never appear in a new valiant story - -so JUST FOR EXAMPLE -DO NOT FREAK - -JUST FOR EXAMPLE - -BUT IF say – someone were to do Ultimate Unity (lol) there could be no SOLAR, but the STORY ITSELF could be the same (A la Ultimate Spider-Man) by replacing “Solar Man of the Atom” with “Sun Dude Person To Avoid Trademark Infringement”. [20:28] which means that the Valiant character rights could be split even further. [20:28] that's similar to superman/superboy [20:29] so you cant reprint old valiant stories? [20:29] Same for Turok and Magnus. [20:29] urgh... [20:29] In a perfect world the owners of those marks would see the value of the complete universe and want to make a deal. I know I would like to see UNITY between the characters in the original universe again - dry pun intended. (SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE – so if it doesn’t work out it certainly wasn’t John’s fault - -) [20:29] lol...western is kinda funny about their characters [20:30] * Pb (~Pb@3c041c4.25a4ad7.kidderbenefits.com) has joined #valiantcomics [20:30] would u try to get a license to use solar and turok? [20:30] Yes, but....they are amenable if the right....offer...were to come along. [20:30] dino - GOOD QUESTION [20:30] thank you [20:30] and shooter carries some history...good history [20:30] I COULD BUT "the part of magnus will be played by - -Mr. Android crusher) [20:30] get it? [20:30] got it and hate it, lol [20:30] Unless you made a seperate deal with Western. [20:31] could u reprint likeness? [20:31] me too [20:31] no [20:31] They could be made to deal. [20:31] "magnus" is trademarked [20:31] sounds like what would happen if dc ever tried to reprint old shadow stories or something similar [20:31] got it [20:31] as is "phil seleski" [20:31] well - - -wait a minute b/c MAGNUSR folows up with [20:32] personally, between seeing a reprint where magnus is replaced with someone else and seeing nothing, I rather see nothing [20:32] me too [20:32] Alright folks, I gotta jet...still at work...Mr T, a pleasure. Hope things work out for the best... [20:32] me three [20:32] MOTA, you're logging, yes? [20:32] take care zeph! [20:32] * Bro (BroJ@831ef56.3682fb09.ipt.aol.com) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:32] MAGNUSR – again, and still not here –Or would there have to be new back-grounds for some characters? [20:32] later zeph [20:32] * Unblessed (~Unblessed@2f2211d7.229ed2b4.ata-cres.charterpipeline.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:32] ifn't yer all still around when I get home, I'll be back in. [20:32] z: yeah [20:32] MAGNUSR – again - -and this SOB isn’t even here!!!! Greg what gives!?!?!? What’s up with the “In Absentia” interview process – (j k ) - -ok - -MAGNUSR asks his follow up to his follow up of - - - Also, can Phil be used as a character if he never calls himself Solar? That kind of things. [20:33] damn swedes! lol [20:33] ok, great. Best of luck! [20:33] * ZWH (~ZWH@f5eb36d.3bd2272c.irvnca.pacbell.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:33] I think we covered that above – that there would most likely be some new characters that may have slightly divergent backgrounds [20:33] Magnusr is the biggest Valiant fan in Europe... so you're actually satisfying a CONTINENT when you answer his questions. ;) [20:33] The original contracts are actually quite specific in these regards. To keep it much simpler than your last question – if they are characters from the original series they do not belong to VALIANT. [20:33] So if Phil is a guy from the TOS then “NO PHIL FOR YOU” (say it in a soup Nazi Voice and it sounds much funnier). [20:33] john: why not try to go after a new license so u can use magnus, solar, and turok? or downright buy them? [20:34] If, however, he was created by the boys in the 90’s then you can have your Phil. [20:34] (get it? Have your Phil. That’s dry . .. very dry.) [20:34] western won't sell...they tried when they started voyager [20:34] so you can use the destroyer? [20:34] Dino - - -yes it seems so [20:34] Mike [20:34] LOL [20:34] :D [20:35] I will attempt to work with their respective trademark holder [20:35] :) [20:35] and the valiant phil, which was dif from the phil that spawned from the valiant phils mind, who read gold kep solars? [20:35] john [20:35] How about magnus' son then? Could he play the part of Magnus?!?!? [20:35] once I read the following [20:35] re: superman [20:35] He could use Phil, with his powers, just deciding not to be solar (since it worked out so well the first time!) [20:35] If it was created in the 90's and does not appear in the original series it is in the deal [20:35] WOO HOO! thats good news folks! [20:35] it said that the copyright on action comics #1 would be up in 20??, at which point the concept would become part of the public domain [20:36] yet that didn't mean that concepts derived from it would be too [20:36] like superboy and supergirl for example [20:36] Basically, the Phil Seleski floating above the earth on the cover of Solar #1 is "all-powerful"... and "not wearing a red suit". [20:36] my question is [20:36] KC - -that will be a legal battle - -I can't get my head around that one [20:36] because if you start somewhere around the end of the vh1 no magnus there for you to worrie about [20:36] Cool - Magnus's son. Can call him whatever his name is ... Torque? [20:36] both phil seleski, the destroyer, and erica pierce are derived from gold key's solar [20:36] what is that called again - - [20:36] that would be a great first book: torque, son of magnus [20:36] there was a book young magnus [20:36] is the copyright the same as with superman, where they are considered separate entities? [20:36] also [20:36] was it ever printed [20:37] Derived, yes, but did they actually appear in the GK Solar? [20:37] there's the miracleman/captain marvel issue [20:37] where captain marvel became miracleman when the publisher lost the captain marvel license [20:37] Mike - - there may be one or two thing slike that yes - - [20:37] BUT ---------- [20:37] you listening [20:37] yep [20:37] so since they didnt appear they are avaliable to taddeo, even though they are derived? [20:37] Classic had asked me to become enjoined against Disney in the CG matter [20:38] THat's how I read it - if they first appeared in the 90's, they are his. [20:38] Ok - Destroyer for Solar, Torque for Magnus. Who for Turok?? [20:38] so I do have some history of dealing with them - -so If the story calls for it I would ask to see if they would be interetsed [20:38] andy [20:38] So, for example, when describing the Destroyers origin, don't refer to the omnipotent guy as "Solar", but rather as "Phil" or something. [20:39] cj - -it would seem so [20:39] so phil/solar can change his name and outfit [20:39] and his background remains the same, just can't be brought up [20:39] it would have to be [20:39] why would you want to describe destroyers origin? why talk about destroyer at all? *shudder* [20:39] Forget Destroyer for Solar - Phil for some guy who has the same powers as Solar but isn't called Solar! [20:39] at least directly or with specifics [20:39] * riftt (riftt@17833c43.2e1bf8a9.12ed360d.27ad84c0X) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:39] No specific mention of "Solar". [20:40] That's all. [20:40] so at least magnus, solar, and turok would become comorable to miracleman [20:40] As long as you don't call him Philler... :D [20:40] comporable [20:40] You can talk about the reactor, the black hole, etc etc. [20:40] but not gold key's solar [20:40] or show cover images of the comics that inspired phil's origin [20:40] You could then just say "For a time, I tried to be a superhero...but that didn't work out to well - I almost destroyed the universe" [20:40] Mike - unknown - -it's a very tough legal question. I wouldn't say just like. In this case those characters are clearly owned by Classic [20:40] sounds to me like phil seleski's pretty safe for this [20:40] john: I think that's the issue [20:41] is phil seleski considered owned by classic? [20:41] (or random house I believe it is) [20:41] Would Rai #0 be an issue as far as the future of your universe? [20:41] Mike - -you are very hung up on this Phil character [20:41] are you worried that it might not be worthwhile reviving Valiant without Solar, Magnus and Turok? [20:41] phil seleski, like superboy, is derived from dr solar, but just like superboy wasn't superman phil isn't dr solar [20:41] lol...he's a HUGE solar fan [20:41] One Aye -Rai 0 seems very relevant to the overall VALIANT universe [20:41] spartum: yeah [20:41] lol cin [20:42] I always liked X-O the best [20:42] mike is representing mexico [20:42] me too [20:42] lol [20:42] vspartum makes a good point [20:42] john: I see solar as being core to valiant same way superman is core to dc, so yeah, heh [20:42] then Eternal Warrior [20:42] i think valiant is worth revisting without solar, magnus and turok [20:42] Mike - -you are hitting home with that, I'm a huge fan of Kal El [20:43] heh, same. [20:43] Will Quantum and Woody be incorporated? I think they are the only new stuff from Acclaim that was worth a snot. [20:43] Yeah as much as I like Solar...I'm more interested in the possibility of seeing some new XO stuff [20:43] KC - -worth snot - - lol [20:43] magnus can be the future...and can be there if needed (or available) [20:43] turok, we'll he's in the lost land [20:43] gotta go, good luck with the bid John, Chuck [20:43] I think you could do Valiant without every bringing up Magnus Solar or Turok [20:43] If something could be worked out with quantum and woody I would be very open minded to that [20:43] * Slacker125783 (~chuck@1c2d962f.2af52808.snfc21.pacbell.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:44] let me ask u [20:44] again - -it would have to be off my time and dime [20:44] priest please [20:44] ask mike [20:44] if classic gives u the solar license, u'd use it, right? [20:44] if they don't, would u "miracleman" solar? [20:44] One of the things I liked about Valiant was it tried to be the "real" universe - there weren't alternate timelines, people who were dead stayed dead, there aren't twenty alien races that currently live on Planet Earth, the sight of a flying man isn't men with "ho-hum" - are you goig to try to keep that atmosphere? [20:44] I think that I heard Priest tried to get the rights from Acclaim at one point [20:44] solar is probably still pissed about the way things went for him...he might be gone [20:44] * wrunow (wrunow@252137e.23e86861.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:44] Mike my friend - -Classic isn't giving anybody anything except a supeona if we don't watch our Ps and qs [20:44] heh [20:45] well, if ibooks can get magnus, I'm sure u can get solar and turok, heh [20:45] indeed...they're very protective of their properties [20:45] and rightly so [20:45] CJV [20:45] hope they don't sue me for doing a Turok print set :) [20:45] lol...you're going down moler! [20:46] there are plenty of story posibities without those 3 characters show them that there is interest and try to get something worked out [20:46] dibs on his art [20:46] lol [20:46] atmosphere - -It's comics - - but I think th emost success we could have would be try to stay true to the core [20:46] groovy...right answer again [20:46] yup [20:46] I think a Valiant universe without the Gold Key guys will fly! I know I would be interested in buying multiple copies of it? [20:46] dude...i'm starting to really look forward to "VH-Taddeo"...lol [20:47] mr. taddeo, any plans for harbinger. i know u see xo as crutial but what about harby> [20:47] DON'T START THAT SHIT [20:47] lol [20:47] lol [20:47] Again - I can' [20:47] t [20:47] say what series b/c ultimately [20:47] lol...we covered that already...he needs consitant sales...not spikes [20:48] I would want SHooter Layton and I think I would have to leave the charter choice to them' [20:48] oops! consistant [20:48] smart [20:48] i think that's smart [20:48] so basically you'll just let shotoer and layton decide [20:48] snap [20:48] build the bridge...then try to move the army over it [20:48] if it come sto me choosing - -as I said I would go with X-O [20:48] u'll own the characters but get them to choose what they want to do [20:48] Has Shooter been approached at all? I was under the impression he would not be that receptive. [20:48] Mike - I think it would be a better book if I did, I think people do the best job when they are the most excited [20:48] you dont wanna try and strong arm either of those 2...they don't react well to that [20:49] * speedracex (~speedrace@1dad8cc8.a9a2d23.sc.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) [20:49] If you don't get the man on the mountain or the guy in Tampa to work on it, do you have anyone else in mind? [20:49] CJV - -no, and he very well may not be and he would not be wrong for it [20:49] I have a question for you... Are you going to do GOLD, RED., PINK and PLATINUM variant covers like Valiant? If so I would like to volunteer to look them over...LOL [20:49] and i'll take free copies of each [20:49] so u won't be part of the creative side? [20:50] Not on that [20:50] KC - there will be special editions of any book I work on. [20:50] wait [20:50] I think I missed something [20:50] "guy in tampa?" [20:50] woo hoo again! [20:50] allessi? [20:50] bob layton [20:50] alessi? [20:50] ah [20:51] although crossgen's building is open [20:51] could you tell us about your industry experience? [20:51] When Zoom Suit is ready I'm going to ship a special edition free to reatilerstwo weeks early [20:51] mighty nice place to run a company [20:51] cool. [20:51] * cjv (cjv@23e86861.3d716d1f.mia.bellsouth.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:51] no - - I was saying Layton and shooter [20:51] allessi????? [20:51] * MikeSacal is now known as ManofTheAtom [20:51] Hmmm. Interesting... Variant covered books. How many copies will I have to buy to get one? I think Valiant was 50 to 1, but I could be wrong. [20:51] ugh - mike changed is name [20:52] heh [20:52] lol [20:52] told ya...big solar guy [20:52] KC I think you have to go lower than that tehese days [20:52] if sales are there, will u expand beyond the 2 ls? [20:52] COOL - less for me to HAVE to buy... [20:52] One to every retail aand another for every x amount [20:53] john...grandfather us in dude! lol [20:53] Cin - - earn em [20:53] ;) [20:53] lol...i did in the past [20:53] i can do it again [20:53] Will you sell them direct to us? I do not have a local comic shop within an hour of me... [20:53] I need the help! I need people to check out ZS and order that book [20:53] direct sales will scare the shit out of layton [20:54] john did you collect/have a full collection of Valiant H1? [20:54] well i'm in for a copy of zoom suit [20:54] same here [20:54] me as well [20:54] me too [20:54] One Aaye - -I had many but when the prices went nuts I owned stores in NYC and I sold them [20:54] I would LOVE to order it. Can I order Zoom Suit direct from your company or do I have to go to a LCS? [20:54] yeah...when is it solicited? [20:55] Greg....you have any questions? [20:56] :) [20:56] I'm going to talk to diamond about it soon. WIth Layton, Tucci, Sears, Gene Colon and Billy Patton Ithink they will accept it. I also have a surprise planned inside, but I can'tyet confirm [20:56] yeah....dont let us hog all the time [20:56] mr. taddeo, what do u think ur role would be if u own the auction. closer to shooter, layton or niceze(sp) [20:56] not solicited yet - -I want it finished b 4 solicted [20:56] * whet_the_fett (~whet@a763dad.22cbf9e3.ok.cox.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:56] again, good answer [20:56] Dino - Please just call me John or JT [20:56] will do, thanks [20:56] Dino - do you know my first job in comics was interning at marvel [20:57] FOR FABIAN!!!!!!! [20:57] John do like the "realism" style of artwork of the early valiants or the crazy Image style of later Valiants....would you have any mandates on how characters are drawn? [20:57] JT - howmany issues of Zoom Suit are planned? I saw covers for issues #1 and 2 on your site. [20:57] run away [20:57] cool, i bet that was fun [20:57] He's a good friend. We still talk [20:57] * dinky (~dinky@36df8733.16b4fba6.chcgil.ameritech.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [20:57] damn...where's justin? [20:57] KC - -zoom suit is a four issue limited series [20:58] Variant covers for all issues or just #1? I want to get them ALL!!! [20:58] really what im curious about is how much creative control you will hold, will be it similar to what you do now on zoom suit and what exactly is that? [20:58] I liked the movie mimi [20:58] mini [20:58] One eye - I like dynamic artwork. I like when a page has a design to it . . .not just a nine panel page after nine panel page . .bt you have to tell a story [20:58] you can't have 22 pin ups [20:59] unless you're killing superman [20:59] thank god [20:59] John, whey you say that Quantum and Woody wouldn't be on your time or dime what does that mean? Would you give the rights to Priest and Bright and let them play? [20:59] then you can do anything - -I'll still buy it [20:59] superman 75 was great, lol [20:59] Dino - -Zoom suit is my book so I have alot of control [20:59] * myron (myron@3eb8f587.38be9aca.wi.charter.com) has joined #valiantcomics [21:00] hey [21:00] hey myron [21:00] pull up a chair [21:00] If I worked on a valiant book with Bob and Jim, Clearly these guys know far more about valiant than I do - -That said it is still MY property if I win [21:00] hey my [21:00] so if they wanted to make x-o a bellydancer I would stop that [21:00] john, are you the sole investor in your bid or have you teamed up with creative talent ala bob layton? [21:00] lol...x-o bellydancer [21:00] but if they wantedf to tell a cool story I wouldn't be like - -let me put my 2 cents in becasue I own it [21:01] i'd buy if she was cute [21:01] wait a minute - dino - do you understand that answer? [21:01] lol...x-o lady death'owar [21:01] thats a great answer john [21:01] * mrwoo (mrwoo@25ea667f.3f9d3b60.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #valiantcomics [21:01] I am the sole investor [21:01] Good judgement [21:01] john...i have a question [21:01] my fav answer so far, i have to say [21:02] cin go [21:02] john: so the issue of continuity or reboot won't be in ur hands, you'll let them decide? [21:02] will the valiant character(s) inhabit the same universe as zoom? [21:02] Man - -after cin [21:02] CINLACH - - -I CAN KILL YOU RIGHT NOW [21:03] lol...huh, sweet innocent little me?!?! [21:03] I DON'T KNOW . . .that is the big figt among the five of us here for the last month [21:03] lol...oops! [21:03] hee hee...i always ask the toughies [21:03] sometimes we say it would be perfect and sometimes we're like - - -stupid, never work [21:03] may i offer my opinion? [21:04] of course! [21:04] john: how did u get layton involved in the plan, and is he aware of ur desire to get shooter into it too, and if so, what did he say about that? [21:04] also, have u had any contact with shooter? [21:04] without reading zoom, but from looking at the synopsis stuff on your site...this is an alien suit correct? [21:04] MAn - -reboot question from before [21:05] yeah [21:05] I think th estrength is basingit on the valiant of the early 90s what do you guys cal that V1? [21:05] yeah, VH1 [21:05] or is the old stuff from the 50's or 60s v1 [21:05] 90's=VH 1 [21:05] I thought so [21:05] Yeah - VH2 basically sucked A$$!! [21:05] 60's=Gold Key [21:05] VH 2= Crap, lol [21:05] it's possible/conceiveable that the spider aliens weren't the only ones to use "armor" [21:05] Just like the cable TV channel. [21:05] :P [21:06] Zoom has the alien suit found in the roswell space crash of 47 [21:06] cin - -yes it is and someone was writing about that on the boards [21:06] maybe the alien species who made the zoom suit at one point had encountered the spider aliens [21:06] MOTA asks how LAyton became involved [21:07] when you say we? who all do you refer to? [21:07] kind of an arms race thing...they build bombs, we build bombs [21:07] X-O vs Zoom suit... 2 different alien races fighting for control of our little rock! [21:07] I called him up and told him the story. Told him I wanted a homage to Iron Man 118 . . .he liked the premis and did the covers [21:07] his covers are awesome [21:07] oh, I meant the valiant revival, sorry, heh [21:08] rico - I have 4 people that work with me on the flash stuff and I mostly do the editing and the comics stuff [21:08] * cinlach (~cinlach@1da97c9.ec7593a.sc.charter.com) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [21:08] * cinlach (~cinlach@1da97c9.ec7593a.sc.charter.com) has joined #valiantcomics [21:08] I like Bart's! He is the X-O Man!!! [21:08] damn...chat died [21:08] ok [21:08] * Dawg (~Dawg@18377e3c.262dee27.ga.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [21:09] Bart's astuff kicks ass - - -someone said they hated th e Action cover. I loved it but I'm biased b/c I 'm a big time Superman fan [21:09] * speedracex (~speedrace@1dad8cc8.a9a2d23.sc.comcast.net) has joined #valiantcomics [21:09] john, shooter spent most of his life around comics and many fans believe that this knowledge was instrumental in valiants succcess could you tell us of some of your best experience highlights. maybe one creative and one business example? [21:09] Who is foing the interior work on Zoom Suit? [21:10] Dino - That takes a second so let me asnwer kC - -BILLY DALLAS PATTON [21:10] no prob [21:10] he does a lot of work for dc. We met in San diego last year. The DC guys were all over him [21:10] Well the business example would be getting the internship at marvel [21:11] * [21:11] Valuable life lesson - -don't take no for an answer [21:12] remember that when classic say no [21:12] heh [21:12] creative . . . [21:12] we'll see creative when zoom suit comes out [21:13] I was very proud of how the restaurant came out [21:14] Did I understand you? [21:14] you owned a restaurant? (sorry if thats a stupid question, I have no idea about your background apart from the crossgen bid and now the marvel internship, just trying to get a feel) [21:14] Are you a guy? [21:14] yup [21:14] ugh [21:14] don't feel [21:14] lol [21:15] i live in L.A. [21:15] NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT [21:15] JK [21:15] Dino - -just kidding [21:15] ;) [21:15] lol [21:15] "just trying ot get a feel" :P [21:15] So you doing Wiz world? [21:15] hope too [21:15] billy dallas pattons stuff looks nice [21:16] cool. Look like a good show. I do sandiego [21:16] i did it last yr, was a blast [21:16] I will be at SDCC [21:16] Billy's SPECIALTY is this armor robot stuff [21:16] yea...but that layton x-o cover you guys stumbled on is the shiznit [21:16] oh - - -the layton is the effin deal! [21:16] it looks nice [21:17] www.billydallaspatton.com [21:17] but Bart is killer too! Did you see zoom getting the SNOT (footnote) choked out of him? [21:17] bart is killer as well [21:17] The stuff on Billy's site is nothing compared to his zoom pages. I chose billy b/c he told me he wanted to make ZOOM his break out book [21:18] passion [21:18] [xomatic] URL http://www.billydallaspatton.com/ [21:18] determination [21:18] We solid? Or you have more questions? [21:18] still wondering if u owned a restaurant (just a feeling) [21:18] john: there was another part of to my earlier question, heh... have u chatted with shooter about him getting involved with a revival? and dos layton know about your intentions to team him up with shooter, and if so, what does he think about that? [21:19] A couple of guys have asked for a "biography"... Can you give us a quick run-down of the past 15 years or so? [21:19] MOTA - -I hav enevr met Jim shooter [21:19] I would certainly like to [21:19] John, can I get one in when you get a chance? [21:19] * comix (comix@53886e8.3cf137b8.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #valiantcomics [21:19] Bob knows my feeling. That a Layton Shooter project would be the dream project for all of us . . . [21:20] am I right? [21:20] :D [21:20] as rain [21:20] 'feeling'? [21:20] it would be for me [21:20] :D [21:20] heh [21:20] would you guys mostly agree? [21:20] hells yes [21:20] YES [21:20] YES [21:20] John, if it came to Shooter or Layton who would you go with? [21:20] dream project, yes [21:20] * myron (myron@3eb8f587.38be9aca.wi.charter.com) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [21:20] yes please [21:21] that would be AWESOME to say the least!!! [21:21] where it comes to valiant, personally, I'm more about the characters than the creators. if a shooter/layton team up ends up with a revived original valiant universe, then I'm all for it, heh [21:21] Good, but you have to remember - -JUST BETWEEN US GIRLS - - Neither one of these guys is going to want to blink [21:21] so until the deal is real . . . [21:21] you follow me? [21:21] Of course he could always get shooter to write a script and they when he gives it to Layton have it say a different name until he is done [21:22] if mike carlin can bring john byrne and chris claremont back together, then it may be possible to bring shooter and layton back together [21:22] Sneaky! might work, but SNEAKY!!! [21:22] X-0 . . .not my style . . .I feel like this [21:22] You’re a marketing guy. You are going to be putting in a big bid. Do you have anything in mind to help recover your investment, cause one or two books probably won’t do it even with a low breakeven? You mentioned that Shadowman would make a good movie last time. Any ideas on how you’ll get back your investment? [21:22] Love Sneaky [21:22] wroter use different names all the time [21:22] If their schedule is free and you guys let them know that you're not interested in who's right or wrong you just want this . ..and bad [21:23] It's a possibility [21:23] true [21:23] john...what can WE do [21:23] seriouslt [21:23] ack! seriously [21:23] what he said [21:23] 400 - -just what I have shared with you tomight. It's really not about the money for me. [21:23] buy 10,000 copies each, lol [21:23] i wanna help for ssure [21:23] although a little BWS... [21:24] black with stars [21:24] Cin - be positive on these boards and around the web. [21:24] no, what can we do to help make jim and bob aware of how badly we want this to happen [21:24] John, I have a question [21:24] ok...do you think e-mailing would help? [21:24] woo: I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, that what john wants to do is like hand over the characters to shooter and layton and let those two do whatever they want and hire whoeveer they want to work with (long as it's within the budget) [21:25] rephrase [21:25] hand creative control [21:25] not ownership [21:26] MOTA - -huh? [21:26] Della - go [21:26] john, its fantastic that you feel its not just about the money but 400 has a point, with just 2 books how can u justify the expense? [21:26] or not, lol [21:26] You have small plans to start. What of books like Quantum and Woody or Armed and Dangerous would you consider selling/leasing these properties back to the original creators? [21:26] i think he was explaining to another chatter [21:26] Dell - were you here earlier? [21:26] to mrwoo [21:27] I've been here, just listening [21:27] My plans are very small as you mentioned. I mentioned earlier, that I would not be publishing more than one or twqo titles and only as limited series [21:28] If some one else wanted to do a book and I believed in the team --such as I do in the original quantum and woody team [21:28] but is that a permanent decison or can sales sway you? [21:28] and it was not my time or dime [21:28] decision [21:28] then I would be open minded [21:28] ok, let me ask [21:28] if I were to come to u with my own money and pencillers, and said "I want to produce an xo manowar comic and pay for it"... what would happen? [21:28] To justify the expense - -who asked that one? [21:29] 400 and me [21:29] if priest and bright wanna do a quantum & woody story then as long as it's something john's ok with, that won't hurt his ownership then he'll allow them to do it [21:29] MOTA - - hold that thought - -I'm sure you love that thought anyway so hold it [21:29] lol [21:29] Would you sell any of the properties off or would you hold all ownership? [21:29] but they have to foot the bill and get it published [21:29] Oh you again - -you redy to stop throwing curveballs and pitch nice dino [21:30] ok - -justify the expense - - [21:30] :) [21:30] john: sounds to me like u'd like to be for valiant what classic is to magnus, solar, and turok [21:30] * speedracex (~speedrace@1dad8cc8.a9a2d23.sc.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) [21:30] ill try [21:31] he'll be the rights holder...if you wanna use one of the characters, you have to come to him for him to approve it [21:31] if a valiant revival goes the way of vh2 im out of a board! and i got 2000+ posts invested, just covering 'my' investment:) [21:31] lol [21:31] lol [21:31] john, have you heard any rumors of any other interested bidders? [21:31] i'm optomistic dino...and that's something for me [21:31] lol [21:32] It may take quite a while but it'll be a great ride if odne right. I'm very lucky to be ok financially and I'm not a flashy - -I gotta have a million toys type of guy. I enjoy the creative process so the money to me is an investment in a hobby - -that IF doen right MAY very well be a windfall . .. and if not and I had a great time, so be it [21:32] woo: he answered that earlier. wait for the transcript and u can see it :) [21:32] good answer :) [21:32] how many drinks have you had tonight John, to be talking to us and all!! lol [21:32] thats a good attitude to have [21:32] Mr woo - -why is that your screen Name - -JOHN WOO the director [21:33] thats very cool of u john [21:33] he's the woogieman! [21:33] sorry for the repeat question! [21:33] One Aye - -I have a tequila import biz , , but alas none tomight [21:33] Mr. Woo... "other interested bidders" question, the answer was "unknown at this time". [21:33] tomight? hahahaha [21:33] what does sal say? [21:34] but its later now [21:34] tryingto go as fast as possible sorry [21:34] we're just busting your balls john...call it the initiation [21:34] lol...welcome to the club! [21:34] Cin - -I give as good as I get [21:34] so i've noticed...you'll fit in ok...lol [21:35] So woo . . .whats with that name?? [21:35] * Pb (~Pb@3c041c4.25a4ad7.kidderbenefits.com) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [21:35] * TheSpider (~TheSpider@15ce2659.3d8d9d00.res.rr.com) has joined #valiantcomics [21:35] test [21:35] my daughter is afraid of the woogieman instead of the boogieman [21:35] one two [21:35] What's going on so far? [21:35] were here dude [21:35] i like to be formal so Mr. [21:35] Oh I thought you were a John Woo fan [21:35] John, here's an easy question. Will Valiantcomics.com become the official Valiant site? [21:35] what does Mr. Lamonica have to say about bidders? [21:36] (That's an easy question?!?) [21:36] THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT ON MY PART - -THE REST WOULD BE UP TO GREG [21:36] lol...the unofficial official site [21:36] good answer [21:36] and we wouldhave to do something for these guys greg [21:36] YEAH [21:36] I mean they carried the torch [21:36] cough *finance solar 2k* cough.... J/K [21:36] hells yes...i told ya we'd be grandfathered in! [21:36] lol [21:36] :D [21:36] Special VcVSS issues for all!!! [21:37] yeah baby [21:37] LOL [21:37] [21:37] i should have called them dinocvss [21:37] That would be interesting [21:37] Kc - -possible [21:37] cool [21:37] [21:38] my toes [21:38] Double YEAH [21:38] suck it up baby! i gottsta dance! [21:38] :D [21:38] hey, who took my beer? [21:38] [21:39] uh, what beer? [21:39] Greg - -how do we make that happen? [21:39] April 12th... you bring home the bacon... I'll supply the pan. [21:39] lol [21:39] he can bring home the bacon... [21:40] lol [21:40] turn that X-O by Layton into a signed print [21:40] fry it up in a pan... [21:40] oohhhh yea....xo [21:40] :) [21:40] ok, thats all i can do...feel nauseous [21:40] Yes Best of luck with the auction [21:40] HA - - -I'll give them the Z S on a lock and the V U if it works out [21:40] do you have an address list? [21:40] I should have a log of this chat... [21:40] lol..i think he can get one rather easily [21:41] ... and I'm sure some of the "I couldn't make it" people would also be interested. [21:41] that's right! [21:41] hey john...serious question here [21:41] Or late people like me. [21:41] I was supposed to keep track of the chat! [21:41] J/K :) [21:41] I have it all [21:41] <-----didn't goto ballgame to be here [21:42] I'll send a ZOOM SUIT to every member of Valainat comics in exchange for them helping tget the word out and If the deal comes we'll do something on that too. [21:42] what about a "valiant comics fanclub"? [21:42] hell yea [21:42] GREG is the vc fan club [21:42] I am down to help anywhy I can [21:42] anyway [21:42] just don't feel [21:42] with like a $19.95 membership...then you can generate some revenue and we can pitch in too [21:43] Good luck John!! To think that Valiant H1 can be recreated is ludicris, but if you win I hope that integrity more than dollars is what you'll be after!!! I know I'll be buying!! Thanks. [21:43] no, it's cool. Tell your LCS about ZOOM [21:43] just a SASE [21:43] i shall...borderlands here in greenville, sc...stan reed is the owner [21:43] Greg will post something and we'll tell you guys how to cash in [21:43] Can do! [21:44] awesome...i'll do what i can [21:44] Sounds like a good deal to me [21:44] We'll tell you the postge we need and you send a SASE and we'll get them to you when we send out the retailer editions of ZOOM SUIT [21:44] * ckb (ckb@20db5883.1f5b825b.ma.charter.com) has joined #valiantcomics [21:44] so anything else . . .I'm 45 minutes over [21:44] nothing here...thanks for the time john!! [21:45] Good luck [21:45] Thanks John [21:45] im done [21:45] Yup Thanks! [21:45] Thanks for joining us! [21:45] come back anytime! [21:45] thanks, John [21:45] thanks for coming over here john [21:45] Good luck John [21:45] Good luck [21:45] later [21:45] Thanks [21:45] Thanks for the chat! [21:45] thank you sir [21:45] thank you for the vision [21:45] it means a lot john...seriously! [21:45] Greg - thanks for your help setting this up! [21:45] Even though I came in late, thanks anyway! [21:45] as fez would say....and "GOOD DAY" [21:45] sorry spider - - -they have copies [21:46] Good! :-) [21:46] S'okay. I'll probably catch up. [21:46] bye! [21:46] No problem... glad it worked! [21:46] I wish you luck without Solar, Magnus and Turok, as you will more than likely need it [21:46] take care john! [21:46] But admire your enthusiasm [21:46] Who has the Turok rights? [21:46] Miracleus, Robot Fighter [21:46] see there's always one [21:46] * JohnTaddeo (~JohnTadde@2e099bf0.29655c0f.bct.bellsouth.net) Quit (Quit: Logged out.) [21:46] MMiracleuk, Dinosaur Hunter [21:46] :D